Anyone listed or contacted by Enaming.com?

[carob]

Hi just wondering if anyone has been contacted by Enaming.com to buy your name?

Or have you listed it there?

Googled a domain of mine and was surprised when I found it indexed in Google at edomaining.com, min offer $10k. It was listed on Sedo for half that...not any more.

Mentioned this in another thread but it just looks like old news there at https://www.namepros.com/threads/tr...erage-and-consulting-firm-enaming-com.855570/ so I'll start again - I really would like to know more.

 

[carob]

Really good new article today about the Enaming listings problem:

http://www.domaincrunch.com/you-need-to-get-permission-to-list-other-peoples-names-on-your-site/

Gives surprising examples of names listed at Enaming.com, and makes interesting points about exclusivity of listings.

 

[Acroplex]

Is the internal db for "fantasy domaining" when these domains aren't for sale? :D

 

[main]

I'm surprised this thread isn't getting more attention. To me it's unethical for anyone to list your domain for sale without your permission.

 

[carob]

Ignore it, the same way you (hopefully) ignore all the emails you get from the children of deceased Zimbabwean kings looking for potential American beneficiaries.

Hi it would be funny especially seeing some domains listed at 10k+ but it is hard to ignore for three key reasons:

1) If your domain is not for sale and is the name of your business, people googling the business see the domain for sale and think the business is for sale. That could really knock their confidence in the business and hurt trade. See the other thread here for an example of that issue posted by @SafetyKits : https://www.namepros.com/threads/tr...erage-and-consulting-firm-enaming-com.855570/

2) If you have listed somewhere with exclusivity this conflicts with that and could throw up a TOS violations issue.

3) If you have listed at a fixed price below 10k somewhere, Enaming.com can just buy your name at that fixed price from you and sell on to their client for 10k+ and a nice profit plus commission. That is a risk you take listing a domain at a fixed price - but what if your sale price is reported and the client then sees that they paid 15k for a domain that Enaming just bought for them for 1.5K?

If NP member @SafetyKits is right about Enaming following these threads I can't understand why they have not at least modified how their scripts run, let alone come here to talk to people who are potentially their suppliers.

 

[carob]

Just did a search for site:enaming.com.

244,000 results

Mostly they list one domain per page, so how did they scrape up 244,000 domains to "offer" for sale? No sign of Enaming.com making changes.

Do you think this one merits a minimum offer of 10k?
http://enaming.com/inventory/domain/9jatrick.com

Well this one maybe: http://enaming.com/osx-com/

 

[carob]

Hi still finding domains of mine being offered there. No change that I can see.

 

[Joseph Green]

I have not, but I did sign up for their newsletter. Gmail has classified every email that they've sent, including the confirmation email, as spam. That's usually an indication that the company is doing something wrong when it comes to email.

 

[Joseph Green]

Go to this url to check if your domain is listed - insert your domain after domain/:
http://enaming.com/inventory/domain/bodis.com

No, we do not have Bodis.com listed for sale. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. Must be a bug on eNaming.com.

Reminds me of Your Name May Be Listed on FreeSiteWorth Without You Knowing It

 

[carob]

Hi looking at the fine print you could intepret it to mean they offer to try to acquire any domain for you for a minimum price of $10k. They are not the only people offering a service like that - Godaddy, Sedo, and DomainAgents do that, probably others too.

But that doesn't answer the question - how do those google-indexed listings of individual domains get on Enaming.com and get their own pages? If there is a relationship with DomainNameSales does that mean double commissions, one to Enaming.com and one to DNS?

Really highlights the risks involved in listing a domain at fixed price.

 

[Ms Domainer]

According to the Afternic site: when you list your names at Afternic, they include partners, so you want to make sure it isn't an Afternic partner.

https://www.afternic.com/domain-reseller-network​

 

[main]

Hi it would be funny especially seeing some domains listed at 10k+ but it is hard to ignore for three key reasons:

1) If your domain is not for sale and is the name of your business, people googling the business see the domain for sale and think the business is for sale. That could really knock their confidence in the business and hurt trade. See the other thread here for an example of that issue posted by @SafetyKits : https://www.namepros.com/threads/tr...erage-and-consulting-firm-enaming-com.855570/

2) If you have listed somewhere with exclusivity this conflicts with that and could throw up a TOS violations issue.

3) If you have listed at a fixed price below 10k somewhere, Enaming.com can just buy your name at that fixed price from you and sell on to their client for 10k+ and a nice profit plus commission. That is a risk you take listing a domain at a fixed price - but what if your sale price is reported and the client then sees that they paid 15k for a domain that Enaming just bought for them for 1.5K?

If NP member @SafetyKits is right about Enaming following these threads I can't understand why they have not at least modified how their scripts run, let alone come here to talk to people who are potentially their suppliers.

Everything you wrote is on point. Tracy Fogarty, the head of eNaming, did respond to the Domain Crunch article with the following:

"Tracy Fogarty 14 Sep, 2015 at 9:31 am
Sorry for any inconvenience to anyone.. We are redoing eNaming.com website and my tech team said they did not set a privacy flag for internal to external db, so all internal data ended up searchable. We will get this fixed ASAP!"

I believe Tracy has a pretty good reputation in the domain industry, so I hope that she'll get this resolved sooner than later. Listing other people's domains for sale without permission is inexcusable.

 

[ResoluteDomains]

..........From Tracy's explanation, I understand they will still be marketing these domains "internally" to their clientbase without actually owning them.

And likely without permission.

 

[ResoluteDomains]

Just did a search for site:enaming.com.

244,000 results

Mostly they list one domain per page, so how did they scrape up 244,000 domains to "offer" for sale? No sign of Enaming.com making changes.

Do you think this one merits a minimum offer of 10k?
http://enaming.com/inventory/domain/9jatrick.com

Well this one maybe: http://enaming.com/osx-com/

They'll just keep lying about removing them, just like the politicians do, instead they're lying about internal and private databases and switches, etc....... but the reality is, its likely going to take legal action to get them to remove the names.

 

[main]

@AGAME You're right. My domains are still there too. I guess it was glitching earlier. Infuriating.

 

[carob]

@carob So what do you think of the latest changes? Are you satisfied with them?

No, they have not solved the original problem I identified, that googling a domain of mine turned up a listing page on Enaming.com. As said earlier in thread, they could have those "listing" pages without them being indexed in Google. So presumably they intend them to attract interest.

And they have not as far as I can see made this whole database private as Tracy Fogarty's comment implied they would.

By the way, I got an alert to say this thread had been moved to the Warnings and Alerts section - I take it NP admin did that, I hadn't requested that but it does make sense so people can see what could happen when you list a domain at a fixed price below $10k.

 

[carob]

I am losing patience quickly. This is absurd. No response from anyone from that site. I am starting to wonder if she's a product of the Adam Dicker school.........

Well she is listing one of his names (it's parked on Sedo, you can offer $90.00 for it there instead of 10k minimum to Tracy Fogarty):

http://enaming.com/inventory/domain/theartofthename.com/

They were listing bellone.com but after that was mentioned in a thread on here I believe Shaun acquired it - they have a "removed" message for it, not a 404, never seen that before:

http://enaming.com/inventory/domain/bellone.com

This page has been removed.

Please press the back button or visit our home page

You get the same removed message for dnf.com

Enaming site has had a redesign but still has a lot of these mystery listings.
Googling site:enaming.com returns "About 211,000 results" today -that is say 30k pages less than before, but still a lot of empty or duplicate content pages - those mystery listings are not helping them.

 

[carob]

According to the Afternic site: when you list your names at Afternic, they include partners, so you want to make sure it isn't an Afternic partner.

https://www.afternic.com/domain-reseller-network​

Good point, but I checked and this name is not listed at Afternic, only Sedo and DNS. It was parked at Sedo with a mid xxxx fixed price, now increased to 10k.

Another weird thing is how they classify names at Enaming.com - if you check your name there it is assigned to a category. Just put your domain in at the end of this sample url to see if there is a listing:

http://enaming.com/inventory/domain/3d.com

I wonder if they are scraping Sedo listings, or have a deal with Sedo and others?

That listing page says this:

Our exclusive domain name listings consist of filtered, hand picked, premium domain names. Each domain name is individually valued based on a series of unique attributes, variables, characteristics, and Owner's needs.

 

[main]

Sedo also has SedoMLS (listing partners). Write Tracy at enaming an email and see what she says.

 

[main]

So I tried the link you posted above. Many of my domains have pages there. I tried some made up domains and get a 404 page. Something is going on.

 

[Ms Domainer]

So I tried the link you posted above. Many of my domains have pages there. I tried some made up domains and get a 404 page. Something is going on.

Perhaps a former owner had listed the name(s) there and never deleted the names from his/her account.

I have run across this when listing at Afternic.

 

[carob]

Sedo also has SedoMLS (listing partners).

Yes, and Sedo MLS can only be activated by listing a domain at Sedo at a fixed price. Domains at Enaming.com are listed as make-offer, with minimum offer of $10k.

Sedo's MLS Premium also requires you to offer the domain for sale at a fixed price at Sedo.

https://sedo.com/uk/sedo/sedomls/

 

[carob]

Perhaps a former owner had listed the name(s) there and never deleted the names from his/her account.

I have run across this when listing at Afternic.

That can happen - I queried Dynadot about that once. but I searched at Afternic and they are not offering this domain for sale and if Enaming.com are using or caching old Afternic data the data would in this case have to be from pre 2013.

 

[Acroplex]

Emphasized the need for exclusivity of domain listings 3 years ago. One of the reasons I stopped using Sedo back in the day.

 

[greggb]

Hey guys...this is one of about 6 zillion scams. Ignore it, the same way you (hopefully) ignore all the emails you get from the children of deceased Zimbabwean kings looking for potential American beneficiaries.