Any help to this?

[hafdol]

Hi please I need a solution to this, got some Domain last week and have been sending mails to end users, sent about 30 already and I didn't even get one reply,not even a thank you I don't want. Could it be my mail is going to spam also what should be the subject of the mail am sending, would appreciate if I get a reply. Thanks

 

[Tatiana Bonneau]

Most companies have profile on linkedin where you can see employees of the business then you can contact them directly on linkedin or look for other contact details for the right person. It is useful when looking for the right person to contact as often you would have all the CEO, marketing directors etc etc.

Also, I am new-ish to domains but not to sales and leadgen, 30 is not a huge number so not sure you can put your hands down and say it's not working after 30 mails sent. Should make sure you are targeting the right company and the right person in that company, write honest, not screaming-sales-spam emails/messages. That should help. Also, in any sales as much as I don't like it, when selling to the western market, they like their western names. I myself have issues with people taking me seriously with my Eastern European name so chances are a lot of people are ignoring your mails just because it's signed "Fadlullah". In just about any sales offices I've ran over the years the top sales people had to change their names to something more western sounding.

Also, can try widen your circle of potential buyers by looking for companies that are not directly related to that domain name (so their name/s don't include any of the words in the domain) but can benefit from the sort of traffic a domain like that can get/is getting. For example your Dallasweddingreception dot com - looking for wedding related businesses in Dallas is one thing, you can also look for nation wide or even international businesses who can benefit from some Dallas traffic - total random example TheKnot.com comes up on top for searches for wedding related stuff, they are nation wide so that domain can be of interest to them https://www.theknot.com/more/about-us

Hope that helps

 

[Bannen]

The tips/comments in all above posts are good and necessary. Outbounding is getting more and more difficult; so many domainers are doing it now, and smaller companies are getting inundated with solicitations for these kinds of long tail geo domains.

Up to a couple years ago, I was nabbing a lot of these domains, outbounding them was - if not easy, at least not difficult - and I'd get a lot of sales. But it's become very saturated. If you have, for example, a city + carpetcleaning domain, used to be a safe bet you'd sell it via outbounding, if you had a reasonable (low to mid xxx) price. But since so many domainers jumped into outbounding these kinds of geos, the dozen or so carpet cleaning services in some small city might receive solicitations for (city)carpetcleaning.com, carpetcleaning(city).com, (city)-carpet-cleaning.com, (city)-carpetcleaning.com, carpetcleaning-(city).com, etc. And then also for other extensions like .net/.org/.info, with and without hyphens. And maybe some solicitations for the same domains but with more words added, like Best(city)carpetcleaning.com, My(city)carpetcleaning.com. And with those added words, even soliciting for variations with more hyphens and other extensions.

And then even more variations: domainers will reg (city)carpetcleaner.com, (city)carpetcleaners.com, and with hyphens and in other extensions, etc etc etc.

So now those poor 10 or 15 carpet cleaners in that small city might, over the years, receive solicitations for a dozen (mostly crappy) or more versions of the geo domains. They've become inundated with crappy solicitations. And add to that being inundated with huge amounts of spam for 'need a web designer?!', 'Get your website on the first page of google!!!!!!', and all those.

So yes, small businesses have now gotten 'solicitation overload', they just delete the email as soon as they figure it looks like a solicitation.

That is a generalization, of course; you will still get some replies, maybe some sales; what I'm saying is that it's become much more difficult to get replies and sales of these kinds of geos, especially in the last year or so. I've noticed a huge difference. I still do some outbounding to them, still get some sales... but there's a huge difference in how many replies I receive and how many of these I sell, compared to a couple years ago.

Thus (egad, did I just say 'thus'?) (and did I just also say 'egad'?), to sell these long tail geos, you either have to do more work to get your email to the eyeballs of someone higher up in the company... or change your business plan, reinvent it and keep it fluid so your domain portfolio and sales are concentrating on where the market is still open or emerging, and let go of domains that are becoming harder and harder to sell.

With my own portfolio, I've been letting go of the geo domains for smaller cities and towns, just keeping the good ones for larger cities that have a lot more competing businesses in the same industry. And I only keep what I can tell the potential buyer is 'the best'. You know, I'll keep VictoriaCarpetCleaning.com, because that is the very best incarnation of those keywords. I'll never have VictoriaCarpetCleaningServices.com, or Carpet-Cleaning-Victoria.com, or any lesser incarnation or extension. To me, only one incarnation of a city + service is the best (proven to sell and be attractive to buyers more than any other), and all the other incarnations... are what is making it so difficult nowadays to sell even the best one.

If a potential end user has received solicitations for 10 crappy versions already, as well as dozens of solicitations for shoddy web services... by the time you email them for your 'best' domain keywords... they've already got spam-blindness and they just don't want to see it.

To sum:
Yes, I'm still getting replies and sales with these long tail geos. But the ratio of replies to emails sent is way, way, waaaaaay down, and sales are far fewer. There are members here still doing real well with these... but still, I think even their numbers are way down, and they're looking at reinventing how they're selling these.

So stay smart: if you want to keep trying these long tail geos... try get only the best ones, with the least amount of keywords (don't add extra ones), preferably no hyphens, only .com, and yes, try harder to find an email for someone higher up in the company, rather than just sending to the 'info@' email, or the contact form. That still works too... and people are still selling crappier versions with lots of extra words, hyphens, lesser extensions... but all those are also quickly killing our ability to outbound and sell the 'best' versions of these geos.

 

[gilescoley]

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No I didn't email just a particular person 30 times, I mean 30 different people and it was the email I saw on their website in the contact us page.

This is the problem , using the contact page is not the way to sell domains, it will just be deleted most of the time. You need to email a decision maker that knows the value of a domain name, some like the CEO, marketing manager or business development manager.

 

[UmerK]

One tip - Keep going, tweak it a little, address people by name, find different emails but CONTINUE.

Persistence is single most important when it comes to selling geo domains through outbound, it happens to best of us, there are domains I have not received a single reply even on 40 emails whereas there are some I have sold with as low as 6 emails, it all depends on what you're sending, the name and its relevance, asking price, instructions to buy and trust.

Get ClearbitConnect extension, it will help you in longer run to find leads that reach inbox and are read, best of luck!

 

[wwwweb]

Hi please I need a solution to this, got some Domain last week and have been sending mails to end users, sent about 30 already and I didn't even get one reply,not even a thank you I don't want. Could it be my mail is going to spam also what should be the subject of the mail am sending, would appreciate if I get a reply. Thanks

Why would they thank you for spamming them? You have to offer people something better then they already have, if you are not then, your just wasting their time.

Let's see some examples that you were sending out?

 

[NickB]

without knowing the quality of the name you are trying to sell it is very hard to gauge if you will have any success. With a good Geo name it can take more than 30 emails sent to get a reply, let alone a deal.

I would share the name and people can give you honest feedback if you have a chance of selling it

good thread below:

https://www.namepros.com/threads/outbound-process-for-beginners.1101291/#post-6903292

 

[infosec3]

The problem is the quality of the domains. Frankly, they are not good enough.

The first one seems brand infringement and the second one is too general.

In addition, in my experience doing GEO sales, Dallas is not hot for domain sales.

Focus on getting better names.

There are a few other factors to consider, such as pricing, your email address, what country you are writing from, how you are signing your message, etc.

 

[hafdol]

Why would they thank you for spamming them? You have to offer people something better then they already have, if you are not then, your just wasting their time.

Let's see some examples that you were sending out?

This is it.

Hello,
The Domain name xyz dot com is up for SALE.
This is a short and memorable domain name that is very relevant to
your business.
You can redirect it to your current website or build another one on it
to capture additional targetted customers and increase sales.
Feel free to reply if interested in acquiring this domain.

Kind regards
Fadlullah

Website : www dot xyz dot com

Email: xyz@gmail dot com

 

[viniproject09]

I recommend to use a SMTP service from a third party that deliver emails to Inbox not spam. Address those person my their name in subject. They will notice your email for sure.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

You need to email a decision maker that knows the value of a domain name, some like the CEO, marketing manager or business development manager.

Yes, this is the only one proper way.
And even better way: to call them by phone.

 

[gilescoley]

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Can I use Hunter to get the CEO or marketing manager

Find out who the decision makers are (CEO, Business development manager etc)

Check the company exec team on their website, Google, Bloomberg, yahoo finance etc and find someone who can make the call on whether to buy the domain from you.

Don't just contact the WHOIS address of a company and think you will always get a reply, there are ways (Google, LinkedIn, Bloomberg, Yahoo Finance etc) you can find out who the top execs are and contact the right person

Once you have found that out, find out the company's email format (ie [email protected]) then its easy to work out their email address

It doesn't matter how good your name is or how perfect it is for the company, if you send it to someone who doesn't see the immediate value or doesn't bother forwarding the email to the correct person, it will end up the trash folder and the time and effort you have put in is wasted.

 

[xynames]

Outbound even with good names requires a lot of effort. I don’t even have time to outbound my own domains. If I thought outbound were a good way to spend time I’d do it more myself.

Regular domaining is like fishing - you put your hook and bait out there and when a hungry fish seeking your food comes along, it bites. Outbound is like trying to convince a fish that didn’t even know it was hungry, to bite. It doesn’t work very often.

 

[gilescoley]

it might have something to do with sending them 30 emails. if you email someone, wait at least a couple of weeks before following up.

Who did you email at the company? That is the most important thing.

 

[hafdol]

Th


This is the problem , using the contact page is not the way to sell domains, it will just be deleted most of the time. You need to email a decision maker that knows the value of a domain name, some like the CEO, marketing manager or business development manager.

Thank you. Will try that

 

[William Cato]

I stop emailing prospects. I never got a reply back. What I do instead is find out who the decision makers are for a company. Find their contact info. This could be challenging. You may even have to call the company and talk very nicely to "Guardian of accounts."
Get as much info including their address, names of those who have authority to purchase for the company and mail each of them a letter.
Give as much info about you including a phone number and best time to call with your time zone and theirs if it is different. This way they don't have to think about whether or not they should contact you. Rinse and repeat until they email you or send a letter back. That could be a "cease" mailing us were not interested type of letter.

 

[Jv1999]

I disagree to a point that Geo domains have become saturated. There is a lot of work involved in marketing to end users with these domains and most people are'nt up to doing it to make a few hundred dollars and especially since it can be hit and miss.They would rather put them up for auction the lazy way and expect to make $1000. Thats not happening, so get yourself a website, have a contact phone number and answer the call and that might help sales. The 2 domains you have are not quality domains. Keep reading and doing research.

I disagree. And I know I'm a noob, lol. But, I also recently sold Baltimore////Gym, which I won at closeouts. There was a second buyer who was actually an NP member who wanted it for $600. . . .. so GEO are still in demand. There's always money to be made in GEO... but you have to be prepared for the mental hell of outbounding without any positive feedback. It takes some stones, and then some.

But also, there's always new GEO that's propping up. Like drones didn't exist 10 years ago, and yet now GEO+Drone is premium. I'm sure there's going to be a new GEO niche coming out... and if you find it and reggae that in the major cities... you're looking at $500 or more per domain because those end users will want to pay alot for their new niche.

 

[BrandPlease]

@xynames "Outbound is like trying to convince a fish that didn’t even know it was hungry, to bite. It doesn’t work very often." Great description.

HAHA you just made me understand why people who are avid fishers might like to tie flys - looks way to hard to me (and I dont get to fish anymore, darn kid hahaha). They are just Marketing Their Hook!!!

 

[hafdol]

it might have something to do with sending them 30 emails. if you email someone, wait at least a couple of weeks before following up.

Who did you email at the company? That is the most important thing.

No I didn't email just a particular person 30 times, I mean 30 different people and it was the email I saw on their website in the contact us page.

 

[hafdol]

Most companies have profile on linkedin where you can see employees of the business then you can contact them directly on linkedin or look for other contact details for the right person. It is useful when looking for the right person to contact as often you would have all the CEO, marketing directors etc etc.

Also, I am new-ish to domains but not to sales and leadgen, 30 is not a huge number so not sure you can put your hands down and say it's not working after 30 mails sent. Should make sure you are targeting the right company and the right person in that company, write honest, not screaming-sales-spam emails/messages. That should help. Also, in any sales as much as I don't like it, when selling to the western market, they like their western names. I myself have issues with people taking me seriously with my Eastern European name so chances are a lot of people are ignoring your mails just because it's signed "Fadlullah". In just about any sales offices I've ran over the years the top sales people had to change their names to something more western sounding.

Also, can try widen your circle of potential buyers by looking for companies that are not directly related to that domain name (so their name/s don't include any of the words in the domain) but can benefit from the sort of traffic a domain like that can get/is getting. For example your Dallasweddingreception dot com - looking for wedding related businesses in Dallas is one thing, you can also look for nation wide or even international businesses who can benefit from some Dallas traffic - total random example TheKnot.com comes up on top for searches for wedding related stuff, they are nation wide so that domain can be of interest to them

Hope that helps

Thanks so much this is so detailed, really appreciate.

 

[viniproject09]

Also make sure your SMTP server is working fine. or your provider is not stopping your emails due to bilk messaging.

 

[William Cato]

The problem is the quality of the domains. Frankly, they are not good enough.

The first one seems brand infringement and the second one is too general.

In addition, in my experience doing GEO sales, Dallas is not hot for domain sales.

Focus on getting better names.

There are a few other factors to consider, such as pricing, your email address, what country you are writing from, how you are signing your message, etc.

Geo domains are getting hotter. Read this article by FatCity: fatcityproperties. com/importance-of-geo-domains/

I have one geo domain it is Pittsburgh glass repair.

 

[hafdol]

Geo domains are getting hotter. Read this article by FatCity: fatcityproperties. com/importance-of-geo-domains/

I have one geo domain it is Pittsburgh glass repair.

Thanks

 

[hafdol]

One tip - Keep going, tweak it a little, address people by name, find different emails but CONTINUE.

Persistence is single most important when it comes to selling geo domains through outbound, it happens to best of us, there are domains I have not received a single reply even on 40 emails whereas there are some I have sold with as low as 6 emails, it all depends on what you're sending, the name and its relevance, asking price, instructions to buy and trust.

Get ClearbitConnect extension, it will help you in longer run to find leads that reach inbox and are read, best of luck!

Thank you.

 

[UmerK]

Can I use the clearbiconnect on a smartphone, because have been trying to install it but it's not showing on my Gmail icon

The icon just like streak doesn't show up anymore, however you should still be able to see it on the drawer thing on right side it should have clearbit's icon at the top. I am not sure about smartphone thing, I don't think they have that option.