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Another "Bidding on your own names" ????

Located in Domain Marketplace Reviews started by offthehandle, Nov 20, 2017.

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  1. wwwweb

    wwwweb Top Member VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    Agreed, The ID has been a sticking point for sometime also, they never really gave a valid reason why they don't show ID's?
     
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  2. offthehandle

    offthehandle . Gold Account VIP

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    Great news. I agree with him that we as a community need to continue on these threads and about speaking up and we all should continue to call out the shill bidders and the unethical bidding practices and platforms that encourage it.

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  3. wwwweb

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    Domainers have been speaking up about this for years, Godaddy never did anything about it, until today?

    #WhatChanged
     
  4. offthehandle

    offthehandle . Gold Account VIP

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    Really, so for years nobody listened before? Was this a collective effort of some sort on other forums?
    Were there other Namepros threads concerning this before? Interesting. I am somewhat new as you know. Let's hope they also work on the other issues.
     
  5. wwwweb

    wwwweb Top Member VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    Yes, this has been a pain for years, imagine winning a $15,000 auction, wiring the money to godaddy, then the person renews it. Then that money is locked up for a week, and some people have to deal with exchange fees. You can read thru hundreds of old posts here talking about it also, maybe others can weigh in.
     
  6. offthehandle

    offthehandle . Gold Account VIP

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    WTF? Wiring in 5 figures after a potentially exchange rate bank conversion loss too, Yea, I would be livid. Aside from wasting precious time, so is the outbound international origin bank wire fee and NYC chase clearing house fee refunded?i
     
  7. Ategy.com

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    Wow .. that's actually a HUGE deal! Thanks for the heads up .. where did you find that info (would have been nice to have heard direct from GD)
     
  8. wwwweb

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    It was emailed out by Godaddy.
     
  9. Ategy.com

    Ategy.com NameCult.com Gold Account VIP

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    Sigh .. I get like 2430918 emails a day from GoDaddy .. lol .. when was it sent out?
     
  10. wwwweb

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    This morning, a few hours ago
     
  11. Paul Nicks

    Paul Nicks Member GoDaddy Staff PRO VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    We sent the email to our Premier Services customers. Here is the copy in case you do not have a premier rep:

    Good morning,

    We are making a change to our domain name expiry process and wanted to give you enough notice to make decisions on your portfolio. GoDaddy is changing the domain renewal timeline from 42 to 30 days for most domains. Based on our research, less than 1% of our customers renew after 30 days.


    Starting Dec 4, the following changes will happen to expired domain names:

    · After Day 5 of expiration, DNS, email, hosting, redirecting and any other DNS-dependent services will be interrupted and stop working.

    · After Day 30 of expiration, domain names are no longer able to be renewed or transferred away.


    We wanted to give a heads -up so you have enough notice to make decisions on your portfolio. As always please don't hesitate to reach out with any questions.
     
  12. tonecas

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    kudos to @Rick Schwartz for getting on this hard. it is really refreshing to see one of the big guys finally stepping up and call out the rotten industry that this has become.

    and who else could it be? @Rick Schwartz. you can love it or hate him but he speaks up bluntly and takes action.


    the change of rules from GoDaddy is welcome but I do not believe it is enough. For once, AFAIK after 12 days the domain will get a fee for renewal. After 20 days or so the domain will be placed on auction. This is still within the renewal period. I find this completely nonsense and always did. GoDaddy has to comply with ICANN rules and they state that there should be a renew grace period *up to 35 days* if I am not mistaken. "Up to". Only after that the owner loses its rights over the domain and this is when most registrars place domains for auction OR keep them for themselves in an unethical practice that is allowed by a void on ICANN rules.

    GoDaddy should only auction of a domain name after the owner has lost all of his rights. I do not see any reason to not do so unless to promote some hype on the market.

    I must remember all that a registrar may extend a domain expiration and be refunded by the registry so there is no reason to not wait for some client to make a backorder on a domain and auction it only AFTER the renewal period has elapsed. The thing is, with this method a domain gets automatically market attention which will profit most GoDaddy. With the common way followed by other registrars a domain can get under radar and be missed by domainers.
     
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  13. deez007

    deez007 The More I Learn The Less I "Know" VIP

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    Thanks Paul, this is great...

    I do have one issue though, nothing personal.... this is not an attack but an honest question.... why was this only sent to your premier service customers? Do the rest of us "plebbs" not deserve to know?
     
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  14. Paul Nicks

    Paul Nicks Member GoDaddy Staff PRO VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    Premier Services accounts for our largest account holders. We didn't think the notice would make sense for a majority of the millions of customers we have, so we narrowed it just to the largest which are most likely to be impacted. That's also why I'm here today to help address issues and answer questions. If I thought y'all were "plebbs" I wouldn't frequent this board.
     
  15. deez007

    deez007 The More I Learn The Less I "Know" VIP

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    Out of more than a million members here on Namepro's, I would say probably less than 10% are premier service accounts, with that in mind. Would it not make more sense to create a new thread notifying everyone of these changes. Only the people reading the comments on this thread will see your post the rest wont see it..
     
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  16. Ategy.com

    Ategy.com NameCult.com Gold Account VIP

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    Thanks .. I got mine an hour ago ...


    Anyhow .. as usual I'm glad to say *I* was not quiet about this either ... lol

    Also mentioned this issue and suggested modifications several months ago with the development team at GoDaddy charged with putting together the next generation of the auction platform.

    So yeah .. you're welcome everyone! lol ;)

    Seriously though .. my guess is that this was something planned a while back to be implemented "at some point down the road" (likely due to feedback from a bunch of people) .. and the recent tweet was the extra boost needed (because I'm pretty sure such significant change would have likely needed to go a few rounds through their legal department) .. Maybe @Paul Nicks or @Joe Styler could shine a bit more light on this!
     
  17. richface

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    Send an email to all your customers is a pretty big change no excuse to just email premier service accounts only avoids any future issues with clients such a simple thing to do.
     
  18. Paul Nicks

    Paul Nicks Member GoDaddy Staff PRO VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    We've been planning and developing for over a year. The dev work is not trivial, and neither is the training of 3k+ support reps. The tweets did not move delivery date a bit, we are not a reactive company.
     
  19. equity78

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    But to be fair Paul, people here and the interview I did with you 5 years ago started talking about this. http://tldinvestors.com/2012/08/quick-chat-with-paul-nicks-go-daddy-aftermarket.html

    I am sure this took some time, instantaneous transfers on auction wins will be a big deal. Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours.
     
  20. Grilled

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    :unsure: I'm confused. :unsure:

    Does GoDaddy appreciate the business [partially depend on] shill bidders, and questionable bidding practices as much as it appears @NameJetGM does, or was part of the decision to make this move [in part] to discourage shill bidding, and other questionable practices?

    The timing of everything is what confused me. I had thought it was related. But come to find, it is not related, in any way?
     
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  21. Ategy.com

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    Yeah .. I figured it wasn't spur of the moment for obvious legal verification etc .. just wasn't sure if it was something already planned for say January but then advanced to today just to avoid further useless talk and debate because it was going to happen anyways. Anyhow .. good to know.

    I'm thinking it's simply that they wanted their customers who won their auctions .. to ACTUALLY win their auctions! It's a pretty huge customer service issue when you let people bid on something that theoretically could still belong to somebody else.

    It's good news for those of us who buy at GoDaddy Auctions. It actually goes even further than I was hoping for .. as to me I would have been totally fine with Renewal being available to the original owner right up to the day before the end of the auction (day 34 if I calculate correctly).

    The only reason I never dreamed as far as Day 30 is because I thought they'd want it to be "more" than a month in case businesses with monthly account checks/updates missed something (so 32 or more days).

    Anyhow .. thanks for the info @Paul Nicks .. I'm pretty vocal on some issue with GoDaddy ,, but credit where credit is due :) .. this will certainly save a few fists and computer screens of fellow domainers! ;)
     
  22. Joe Styler

    Joe Styler Aftermarket Product Manager GoDaddy Staff Afternic Staff PRO VIP

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    We do not allow shill bidding on our platform and never have. We make this clear in our terms, we also have machine and manual checks done each day on each auction to make sure that there are no shill bids. We have other things in place as well such as bidder verification etc to help prevent bad bids. This change in the renewal deadline has nothing to do with shill bidding.
     
  23. stub

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    It's only a fair system if you are participating in their auctions. It's completely unfair taking away 12-15 days of the owners rights, given to them by ICANN.
     
  24. Grilled

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    Thank you for the FAST response @Joe Styler - You've developed enough cred on the forum over the years to take your word for it. Please pardon my comment, as in part, it stems from @NameJetGM reaction [or inaction] to the uncovering of shill bidding on their platform, and how poorly (IMO) they have handled it.

    For safe measure, can you provide me [or the NamePros community] with an email or contact to the department that monitors shill bidding? Given the extent of some questionable bidding may have occurred on NameJet, I am concerned (among other things) that it may have spread to other platforms during the time of the CHIP boom. I have seen no evidence of this happening on GoDaddy, but I haven't looked either.
     
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  25. tonecas

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    on the spot. ICANN RAA stipulates that there should be a renew grace period but does not set a minimum for it. If a registrar states that a owner has X days for renewing after the expiration date there should be NO auction on the domain during that period. Anything else is abusing the owner's rights.

    this should be simple to understand and comply, but it seems it is not. and in the lack of a proper monitoring and enforcement entity, which ICANN refuses to be almost in a way that seems on purpose by letting loopholes open for years, this leads to behaviors like this from registrars.
     

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