new gtlds ALERT: .XYZ Registry Stealing Back Newly Registered Numerics?

[lotk]

I registered all the below domains on 6/1/2017 after searching for 10's of thousands of numerics to purchase. Since I purchased, I renewed for 1 year and parked. Last night, all the domains had my 1 year renewal removed without any notification or email (or refund) and all have been put into the Pending Delete status so the parked pages no longer resolve, again, without any notification or email.

It's ridiculous that a registry can advertise on selling numerics, we research for hours and then buy available numerics from them, and then I'm assuming is going through the processes to steal them back. I've been a supporter of the xyz registry but that may change soon. This may be a warning for all .xyz domain owners if the registry is taking back registered domains.

Here are all the domains I purchased. My name is still in the whois but as you can see the domains are now Pending Delete even though they don't expire until 6/1/2018. I have emailed both the XYZ Registry and Dynadot (where I registered the domains) about 6-7 hours ago. Still no explanation whatsoever.

I will update this thread as I get more information. Do note that I know of at least 1 other person who is in the same situation as me.

176.xyz
175.xyz
174.xyz
173.xyz
172.xyz
170.xyz
169.xyz
167.xyz
165.xyz
164.xyz
162.xyz
159.xyz
157.xyz
154.xyz
153.xyz
152.xyz
149.xyz
147.xyz
146.xyz
145.xyz
143.xyz
142.xyz
140.xyz
137.xyz
134.xyz
130.xyz
129.xyz
127.xyz
125.xyz
124.xyz
107.xyz
104.xyz

 

[Pepto]

Especially the part " And did we tell you the name of the game, boy?
We call it Riding the Gravy Train" Haha

 

[campout]

plus time ?

and emotional damages

 

[Pepto]

and emotional damages

Something else is certainly going on .xyz being premium at an expensive price to register to then drop to $1 reg for them to say "oh shit" I wonder if some of the top .xyz investors had a few words of influence or as i suspected that .xyz has a plan to convert to .com.com or .xyz extension being used for something else techy . Since we don't have the full picture its all speculation. I got a few .xyz Letters though not numerical and actually surprised how many "decent" ones left in the pool(Ocean) .

 

[Pepto]

I have (had?) the same thing going on with two other names. I also managed to set up websites for both of them.

I am not naive and understood that the registry probably did a mistake. However, Did not .club give away a name when same mistake occured.

I don't know if it was a mistake or just not well thought out . After all uniregistry have spent a load of cash promoting it and most likely all other domain services have similar market campaigns running.

 

[erwin.groen]

It's a shame this kind of thing has happened, it's not news that a registry or client wants to hear! This news is damaging, & all the new gtld suffer as a result of this bad publicity..

 

[Pepto]

It's a shame this kind of thing has happened, it's news that a registry or client wants to hear! This news is damaging, & all the new gtld suffer as a result of this bad publicity..

It was really making a noise on here too i guess that would be your first sign of trouble to come .

 

[alcy]

yes. it is bad.

no one really ever talks about the poor domainers who in good faith regged hudnrds or thousands of 1cent promo doamins some time ago.. only to see them removed with no explanation or notice from their accounts.. practically overnite.. or a day after. and being falsely accused of engaging in some bogus spam activities etc.. when all they really did was just invested time.. regging some 1cent promo domains.

tens upon tens of thousands of domains were deleted then.. 10s or 100s of people affected by it. treated like crap and borderline online criminals.

then they bragged about it all over the net like it was some trophy.. about how effective and wonderful their abuse team is at finding the bad folk and deleting their domains.. when all they did was wasted the time of some good honest domainers who did nothing other than reg some promo domains... thinking they were dealing with an equally honest registry.

it doesn't get much more disgusting than this.

 

[offthehandle]

yes. it is bad.

no one really ever talks about the poor domainers who in good faith regged hudnrds or thousands of 1cent promo doamins some time ago.. only to see them removed with no explanation or notice from their accounts.. practically overnite.. or a day after. and being falsely accused of engaging in some bogus spam activities etc.. when all they really did was just invested time.. regging some 1cent promo domains.

tens upon tens of thousands of domains were deleted then.. 10s or 100s of people affected by it. treated like crap and borderline online criminals.

then they bragged about it all over the net like it was some trophy.. about how effective and wonderful their abuse team is at finding the bad folk and deleting their domains.. when all they did was wasted the time of some good honest domainers who did nothing other than reg some promo domains... thinking they were dealing with an equally honest registry.

it doesn't get much more disgusting than this.

Do you have a thread here on np's referencing this past situation? I am newer and never heard that until now. It appears this is repeated behavior of a true SnakeOil.XYZ organization.

 

[Jim Holleran]

The ONLY 2 .xyz names that make sense are xyz.RIP, and rip.XYZ, biggest con ever, and Negari that guy is the Kevin Trudell of Domain Industry, slimy as F*ck. This industry is not the one I entered in 1998, used to be lot's more ethics. Adam Dickhead Dicker was just the beginning, going downhill since. Still a few good guys left, but most are just out to screw you. The domain conferences have become 1 big infomercial to scam newbies on the BS GTLD's.

Not like the old days, when hanging out with the Castello's brothers talking to playboy bunnies at the Playboy Mansion during DomainFest day's, when people were really helping people. I appreciate everything some of the great guys such as Michael Berkens, Rick Schwartz, and some other's have helped me when I was a rookie in 1998, but I am not afraid to call out the Bullshit I see when the crap some of these other's like Negari are pulling on people. Never be afraid to speak up and call out those who are trying to screw people, never sit on the sidelines, never kiss anybody's ass.

 

[offthehandle]

The ONLY 2 .xyz names that make sense are XYX.RIP, or RIP.XYZ, biggest con ever, and Negari that guy is the Kevin Trudell of Domain Industry, slimy as F*ck. This industry is not the one I entered in 1998, used to be lot's more ethics. Adam Dickhead Dicker was just the begging, going downhill since. Still a few good guys left, but most are just out to screw you. It's time to call these scam artist out.

Wow, I guess my gut instincts here keep getting confirmed by guys like you who have been around. So you have been involved selling names since then? If so, congrats. Yea, today I looked into this guy's company page today, and and it just smells like scam, looks like a scam and the more input I read from you guys it is a scam. He got into a lawsuit with Verisign, not sure why they bothered, but they have the money I guess to do so. He probably has no ethical compass. Logically for me, I have been only interested in the .com/net/org anyway, but hate seeing this sort of overhype sales and all the people getting into buying it. I am completely new to this small domain name niche thing, and already starting to get my eyes opened. Like any industry, it has it's real people and the fakes/scam's. I got into it discovering I owned a valuable name since 97 accidently. Sold it and playing around now with the cash.

 

[Jim Holleran]

Wow, I guess my gut instincts here keep getting confirmed by guys like you who have been around. So you have been involved selling names since then? If so, congrats. Yea, today I looked into this guy's company page today, and and it just smells like scam, looks like a scam and the more input I read from you guys it is a scam. He got into a lawsuit with Verisign, not sure why they bothered, but they have the money I guess to do so. He probably has no ethical compass. Logically for me, I have been only interested in the .com/net/org anyway, but hate seeing this sort of overhype sales and all the people getting into buying it. I am completely new to this small domain name niche thing, and already starting to get my eyes opened. Like any industry, it has it's real people and the fakes/scam's. I got into it discovering I owned a valuable name since 97 accidently. Sold it and playing around now with the cash.

I got in 1998, and actually thought at the time I got in too late(lol) This has been a great industry for me, because I had good mentors, who gave me great advice. I made mistakes like everybody, but learned from those mistakes, and had made a good enough living in domains to work at home and be a stay at home dad to my kids. The best way for me to give back, is to call out BS when I can so other's don't get strayed wrong. Namepros is a great resource because most people here really want to help people as well. Just be careful of these so called leaders in the industry, they will stab you in the back and screw you really bad, and about 50% of them are speaking at the domain conferences.

Wish you well, and congrats on your sale from your 1997 domain, glad your aware of what is fact versus BS in this industry, need to make more people aware of it, because too many people getting burned.

 

[dordomai]

http://domaingang.com/domain-news/someone-just-got-a-225000-dollar-bill-for-xyz-domain-renewals/

renewal .xyz style..

 

[offthehandle]

I got in 1998, and actually thought at the time I got in too late(lol) This has been a great industry for me, because I had good mentors, who gave me great advice. I made mistakes like everybody, but learned from those mistakes, and had made a good enough living in domains to work at home and be a stay at home dad to my kids. The best way for me to give back, is to call out BS when I can so other's don't get strayed wrong. Namepros is a great resource because most people here really want to help people as well. Just be careful of these so called leaders in the industry, they will stab you in the back and screw you really bad, and about 50% of them are speaking at the domain conferences.

Wish you well, and congrats on your sale from your 1997 domain, glad your aware of what is fact versus BS in this industry, need to make more people aware of it, because too many people getting burned.

Thanks. Wow, that's quite a thing then to have seen it all. I had my first business site up in 95' done by someone else, then got into writing basic html, being prepared at ranked 1st page for the 99 boom. I saw the opportunity to register names, and read a few stories here and there just never got into it. Started in computing at work in 80's on DG mini's, clone PC's, bbsing, 300 baud modems, etc. You are right about mentor's- I had two in my industry and they sure were key to my past success, I won't ever forget that. As far as leaders, I guess I mean those that have survived the longest. This entire nGtld program is really strange to me, it's being hyped and oversold and not going very well as far as I can see, yet names get registered. I have made quite a few verbose comments here- recommended a book "The 22 immutable laws of marketing". I don't see dotcom being ever replaced, and cannot stand around silent seeing the hype being spewed out like it is. There are what appears to be younger members who are easily getting duped into the b.s. and will wind up losing ton's of money, that is horrible. I can't stand *SnakeOil* - Car Sales type people, they give professional's a bad name. It makes me cringe, and have been around these types of knuckleheads selling junk for all my career.

 

[Jim Holleran]

Thanks. Wow, that's quite a thing then to have seen it all. I had my first business site up in 95' done by someone else, then got into writing basic html, being prepared at ranked 1st page for the 99 boom. I saw the opportunity to register names, and read a few stories here and there just never got into it. Started in computing at work in 80's on DG mini's, clone PC's, bbsing, 300 baud modems, etc. You are right about mentor's- I had two in my industry and they sure were key to my past success, I won't ever forget that. As far as leaders, I guess I mean those that have survived the longest. This entire nGtld program is really strange to me, it's being hyped and oversold and not going very well as far as I can see, yet names get registered. I have made quite a few verbose comments here- recommended a book "The 22 immutable laws of marketing". I don't see dotcom being ever replaced, and cannot stand around silent seeing the hype being spewed out like it is. There are what appears to be younger members who are easily getting duped into the b.s. and will wind up losing ton's of money, that is horrible. I can't stand *SnakeOil* - Car Sales type people, they give professional's a bad name. It makes me cringe, and have been around these types of knuckleheads selling junk for all my career.

You bring valuable experience to the industry, you should be speaking at these domain conferences. Appreciate all your insight and knowledge on things! Thanks!

 

[offthehandle]

http://domaingang.com/domain-news/someone-just-got-a-225000-dollar-bill-for-xyz-domain-renewals/

renewal .xyz style..

This is bad, but the idea $0.01 sales price originally was flawed. Giving away domains like this just cheapens them in the eyes of the world, and somebody like that guy who only invested $450. for 45,000- let's them all drop- probably never sold one of them- I mean what did the registry expect? Worse yet, are what it does to all the legit customers who really built websites under the extension. What does it do to the value of their names? Automatically devalued. Extinction? Perhaps. Move to Dotcom... I predict. Glad that this was posted by the domain gang too.

 

[Fancy.domains]

I have earned about $15K from buying and selling .xyz names, so I am personally happy with this extension. After all, I am a domainer. I have also praised D. Negari for his boldness and fighting spirit.

I also reserve the right to criticize him/them for this particilar "incident" and if anyone wants to criticize me for that, nemas problemas

 

[offthehandle]

Good article from Dan Kennedy:
https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/224134

"Targeted investors handed their money over to Bernie Madoff and his epic Ponzi scheme voluntarily. And most who did so were sophisticated and wealthy individuals, managers of family fortunes, and paid administrators of universities' investment portfolios and pensions. All had access to competent financial, tax and legal advisors. Yet they handed wealth to Madoff. None could explain exactly what Bernie did with their money or how he consistently generated above-par returns. Trusting Madoff was irrational, so why did so many who should have known better? Because someone who they knew and trusted, trusted him. Yes, he served on the board of the Nasdaq stock exchange and had offices and trappings of wealth manufactured with the stolen money. But at the core, Bernie perpetuated his scam thanks to passed-along trust.

So with the XYZ extension, without naming names I think it is self evident who is providing the pass along trust.

 

[offthehandle]

I have earned about $15K from buying and selling .xyz names, so I am personally happy with this extension. After all, I am a domainer. I have also praised D. Negari for his boldness and fighting spirit.

I also reserve the right to criticize him/them for this particilar "incident" and if anyone wants to criticize me for that, nemas problemas

Really? Wow. Congratulations. Are the owners using them as real websites? Then you might post more details as that might be the first one to post such a thing. How many did you buy and how many did you sell to earn that amount?

 

[Fancy.domains]

Really? Wow. Congratulations. Are the owners using them as real websites? Then you might post more details as that might be the first one to post such a thing. How many did you buy and how many did you sell to earn that amount?

You can have a look at my xyz sales page in my signature. Only some of the names that I have sold are removed and marked as sold, but you will get a clue about the price range. You will find that I have mostly one-word names or some popular two-word terms.

Edit: I had a look and the correct amount is closer to 12-13K. Sorry for some disinformation.

 

[offthehandle]

Thanks for pointing that out. You certainly have some decent one word domains. I can't argue with that. That's interesting. When you bought them were they at normal reg fee pricing? This premium pricing of other markets makes them pretty much registry exclusive end user sales, with little or no room for resellers.

And you have sold a number of XYZ's, but being on Namepros listing since 2015 leads me to believe these are mainly other speculators, but hopefully they were resold a 3rd time to end users and are in use. I would hope they were developed and not just parked. It would be nice to hear some successes people have had.

Back to my original question though, how many are .XYZ websites? I just have been through so far the top 4000 websites ranked by traffic from Quantcast. I don't recall seeing even one XYZ so far. I have been studying this to see if there are any trends that I am not already aware of.

https://www.quantcast.com/top-sites/US/50

It has been 2 years since they were released, so no hindrance of time to rank. The same goes for most all other new Extensions. Few if any. I think one .Club. Lots of dashes, .org, .net. Thanks for sharing your experience.