information 5L.com and 7N.com Reg Stats

[Michael M]

Hello everyone,
I see a lot of posts asking for this type of information, and also a lot of posts with inaccurate information, so I thought I would make this available to everyone.

If anyone sees a problem with any of my statistics please let me know...

5L.com and 7N.com Registration Statistics as of 1/4/16

Generic 5L.com
Total-----Registered-----Reg %-----Remaining-----Rem %
11,881,376-----3,694,022-----31.09%-----8,187,354-----68.91%

5L.com (CP)
Total-----Registered-----Reg %-----Remaining-----Rem %
3,200,000-----2,055,144-----64.22%-----1,144,856-----35.78%

Generic 7N.com
Total-----Registered-----Reg %-----Remaining-----Rem %
10,000,000-----1,205,399-----12.05%-----8,794,601-----87.95%

7N.com (no 0 or 4)
Total-----Registered-----Reg %-----Remaining-----Rem %
2,097,152-----988,097-----47.12%-----1,109,055-----52.88%

***Keep in mind that about 1-2% more domains are registered than noted here.
This report was pulled from the zone file which exempts any domains without nameservers. Which as best as I can tell runs about a 1-2% average.

 

[Manik]

Thats not completely true ( But yes i am worried and want to save some money for renewal ) i have over 5k names and most of them are 3 same letters and almost 40% of then are without LNPQR ( Regged not intentionally accidentally )

But honestly i am not trying to make you guys fool just was telling what i really think.

Thanks.

If you hold over 5k names and you're selling hundreds for $4 each means that you're shooting yourself in the foot.

The cheaper you sell it for, the cheaper the floor price becomes.

Hold it at least till June 1. They buyout will happen. If it doesn't then sell it in June. What's the hurry? The renewals don't come in until November right?

 

[Megist]

If you hold over 5k names and you're selling hundreds for $4 each means that you're shooting yourself in the foot.

The cheaper you sell it for, the cheaper the floor price becomes.

Hold it at least till June 1. They buyout will happen. If it doesn't then sell it in June. What's the hurry? The renewals don't come in until November right?

But he regged it with domain.com 1.99 $ promo

So, he even sell them for 3 $, he will have a bit profit

 

[Manik]

But he regged it with domain.com 1.99 $ promo

So, he even sell them for 3 $, he will have a bit profit

Why settle for little bit profit when he can have lot more?

This isn't a concert where you trample the crowd just to catch that free tshirt thrown by the rockstar. Some people have bought for $7+ and him selling for 3-4 makes it the floor price.

Let's say Mr Chang wants to buy 10k LLLLL domains. Where is he going to head to? Obviously Namepros, because people are selling it here for less than reg fee.

If people were selling it more than reg fee he would hand register the domains himself leading to a step towards the buyout.

Demand and Supply. Simple Economics.

 

[mitok]

The cheaper you sell it for, the cheaper the floor price becomes.

Exactly!

No matter if you get your 5L.com chips even for free, it is not good to sell cheap as then you are lowering floor price and hurt your future profit.

Rather find some end users and sell each for lets say $100. Do that for 100 domain and you will get $10000 so you can cover 1000 renewals.

There are end users for 5L.com chips! Not high percentage, but they exist and if you are experienced you should be able to find them. One example is THMCC.com (sold for $65000). Other example are all those active websites under 5L.com chip domain (I found hundreds of them without much effort).

I am not expert for Chinese market, but I learned something about it and I do know there are end users under some 5L.com chips. I don't care what some experts say (including the one from 4.cn) and if they don't agree.

However, current situation is not good. I guess we all invested in 5L.com chips to earn profit without any effort as we expected it will become commodity with growing floor value. I can sell many 5L.com chips to end users for mostly $50-$150 in this case, but that's not it! If I have to search for potential end users I will rather do that for keyword domains and sell them for $200+ or even much more.

I still believe 5L.com chips (any of them) will be worth $20+ within a year, but current situation is not great. Chinese stopped regging them, Chinese economy slowed down, credit for domains in China are not demanded as they used to be few months ago, 4L.com chips are down, the whole Chinese market is down etc.

Actually, situation is very bad at the moment. We have to be honest and face it. People are scared, "investors" are disappointed and looking to get rid of their investments, comments on forums are not good etc.

BUT, one very good thing is that buyout almost happened. This means not much domains left. I strongly believe it will be finished. Then floor price should go up as interest will come back. Chinese are some other word. You never know how they will react. Actually, if you study their habits you know how they react. One word, IMPULSIVE! I am pretty confident some investors will show up who will take 50% of remaining 5L.com chips, and then the market will do the rest. Then floor should go up.

 

[Bhanu Madala]

Actually 5L .com chips will increase and no second thoughts....I have talked with them today again and they asked me this question" When 80% of chips are completed and when majority of them are hold by us why do you worry". There are some internal disputes happening between big buyers and they are trying to solve them.

 

[mikenormal]

Follow the money and be patient everybody.

 

[korganian]

Actually 5L .com chips will increase and no second thoughts....I have talked with them today again and they asked me this question" When 80% of chips are completed and when majority of them are hold by us why do you worry". There are some internal disputes happening between big buyers and they are trying to solve them.

Could you elaborate about these internal disputes?

Are the buying decisions of the millions of small investors in Chinese completely dependent on what the big investors are doing?

 

[rocky123]

internal disputes ?? seriously ??

 

[thetruman]

Exactly!

No matter if you get your 5L.com chips even for free, it is not good to sell cheap as then you are lowering floor price and hurt your future profit.

Rather find some end users and sell each for lets say $100. Do that for 100 domain and you will get $10000 so you can cover 1000 renewals.

There are end users for 5L.com chips! Not high percentage, but they exist and if you are experienced you should be able to find them. One example is THMCC.com (sold for $65000). Other example are all those active websites under 5L.com chip domain (I found hundreds of them without much effort).

I am not expert for Chinese market, but I learned something about it and I do know there are end users under some 5L.com chips. I don't care what some experts say (including the one from 4.cn) and if they don't agree.

However, current situation is not good. I guess we all invested in 5L.com chips to earn profit without any effort as we expected it will become commodity with growing floor value. I can sell many 5L.com chips to end users for mostly $50-$150 in this case, but that's not it! If I have to search for potential end users I will rather do that for keyword domains and sell them for $200+ or even much more.

I still believe 5L.com chips (any of them) will be worth $20+ within a year, but current situation is not great. Chinese stopped regging them, Chinese economy slowed down, credit for domains in China are not demanded as they used to be few months ago, 4L.com chips are down, the whole Chinese market is down etc.

Actually, situation is very bad at the moment. We have to be honest and face it. People are scared, "investors" are disappointed and looking to get rid of their investments, comments on forums are not good etc.

BUT, one very good thing is that buyout almost happened. This means not much domains left. I strongly believe it will be finished. Then floor price should go up as interest will come back. Chinese are some other word. You never know how they will react. Actually, if you study their habits you know how they react. One word, IMPULSIVE! I am pretty confident some investors will show up who will take 50% of remaining 5L.com chips, and then the market will do the rest. Then floor should go up.

almost is not good as we are talknig of hundred of thousand of domainsthat nobody want to register
I am sorry to tell that in my view the scenario will be different due to economic constraint China and rest of the World will face in the next monthes.
I see a MASSIVE quantity of drops at renewal time that will bring down value of domain assets on a broader range.
Hopefully I will be wrong

 

[mitok]

Possible, but best gains in investing are made by brave investors who bet against the majority of others.

Currently is very bad situation, but I will stay in 5L.com chips

 

[domainking9999]

Possible, but best gains in investing are made by brave investors who bet against the majority of others.

Currently is very bad situation, but I will stay in 5L.com chips

I support your statement. 5Ls registrations is on the verge.
It's worth to stay with 5Ls. Pot will grow in hundreds and millions of dollars with the 5Ls. We never know - the Chinese bulk buyers might start the bulk regs anytime..

Wake up China.

 

[Flipsbay]

I support your statement. 5Ls registrations is on the verge.
It's worth to stay with 5Ls. Pot will grow in hundreds and millions of dollars with the 5Ls. We never know - the Chinese bulk buyers might start the bulk regs anytime..

Wake up China.

i hope that happens before 2017

 

[James Iles]

I have a theory that the large investors who own thousands of riskier names (5Ls, 6Ns etc) will work together to pump/hype prices around 3 months before renewals are due.

For 6Ns, this would put it at June/July. For 5Ls, July/August or later.

Only a theory, based on no firm facts but if investors know they're facing renewal fees of $1m+, the majority may opt to pump rather than renew.

 

[Recons.Com]

Wow )

Now I know how religions are born.

 

[James Iles]

Wow )

Now I know how religions are born.

It's only speculation, of course. I think that currently, the majority of 5Ls are completely worthless, to investors and most definitely end users. However, seeing first hand how the 4L market has been manipulated by a few investors, I struggle to see how the core of 5L investors would either be happy to let their investments go for $2/each or face a stupidly high renewal fee to keep them all for another year...

 

[Flipsbay]

Wow )

Now I know how religions are born.

Then you must have figured out how the universe was created, how the creation has been started and a lot more related questions like those.

If you don't follow something or don't have enough knowledge about it please don't make a fun of it. Let it be how it is unless you have some real things to say not just your opinion, if you think religion is man made do so but before saying something publicly gather enough prove to describe, if you are not interested describing or don't have that much time just do not do such things.

Thanks.

 

[joethrows]

Wow )

Now I know how religions are born.

Only a theory, based on no firm facts

simply a theory, it's a discussion board. discuss.

 

[Flipsbay]

simply a theory, it's a discussion board. discuss.

I totally agree with you but i think even though James Iles is speculating he has told what most of us are thinking right now which is 100% related to discussion board.

We really need to know what most of us are thinking even though its a speculation. That gives a lot of people relief. I understand at the end of the day we take what our guts and stats tells us but some time a speculation like this help understand markets like these where mind game is being played on small investors like us.

Thanks.

 

[accent]

(((more speculation)))

At renewal of their multi-million dollar LLLLL.com investment the Chinese will be at a decision point. They cannot flip them for a profit, they either hold or fold. What they do will reveal what to expect in other areas of domaining.

Hold means a bet that the internet, the Chinese use of .Coms, will continue to grow exponentially (as it has been doing) long enough to fill out the 5 letter region with end users willing to pay for the privilege.

Quite a long time, and a lot of additional cost to get there. But note that exponential demand matched with fixed supply would eventually turn very positive ...IF allowed to run long enough.

Long term thinking would explain why they left the last 300,000 domains. Those are the dregs, the ROI is better on the good ones and a buyout won't matter for years.

 

[varyemez]

We need time, I think they will register all Chip 5L .com before 2017