4 letter dotcom November registration

[3par]

The new registration for November is 5873; the available llll.com decreases by 3550. We see a sharp pick up of high to median quality llll.com sales at drop catchers. A random four-letter domain with good letters can easily fetch $50 or more. The low end of the market is still quite stagnant, though.

Please visit dyyo.com for the historical data.

 

[circa1850]

The new registration for November is 5873; the available llll.com decreases by 3550

Not too keen on the stats they proport to dispel and questionable about the verification process.

I believe the 3550 are 4 letters that have NEVER been registered vs. the total number that is available. I have seen days where as many as 1600+ LLLL.com were dropped or expired.

The last scan I ran had in the neighborhood of 96,000 available. That was earlier this summer. So, be very skeptical of this misinformation.

I also get a big kick out of the naysayers regarding the Q, X, Y, Z being bad to reg. Tell that to the Chinese, the largest population in the world. Care to guess how many family names, towns, villages, cities, utilities, international businesses or Mandarin words begin with those letters?

Give me a good 4 letter starting with YAO, QUO, XIN, or ZOU any day. Huge market, many hits, great PPC on some.

 

[tzsxc]

Not too keen on the stats they proport to dispel and questionable about the verification process.

I believe the 3550 are 4 letters that have NEVER been registered vs. the total number that is available. I have seen days where as many as 1600+ LLLL.com were dropped or expired.

The last scan I ran had in the neighborhood of 96,000 available. That was earlier this summer. So, be very skeptical of this misinformation.

I also get a big kick out of the naysayers regarding the Q, X, Y, Z being bad to reg. Tell that to the Chinese, the largest population in the world. Care to guess how many family names, towns, villages, cities, utilities, international businesses or Mandarin words begin with those letters?

Give me a good 4 letter starting with YAO, QUO, XIN, or ZOU any day. Huge market, many hits, great PPC on some.

I understand that it is good to be skeptical and question everything you see. But if you checked out the poster's webpage you'll see that the chart has about ~90k registration around may which is inline with your number done this summer. I'm saying you can be skeptical but don't call it mis-information before you can back it up.

On the other hand i agree that the chinese market will be one of the deciding factors that all LLLL.com will be gone. It is about probability, not sure if you can buy a lot of qxyz and hold out till the chinese have enuf discretionary income to play here.

 

[circa1850]

I understand that it is good to be skeptical and question everything you see.

I don't question everything I see just as you should not believe everything you see.

To satisfy my own curiosity, I am running a quick scan as we speak. Definitely down signifigantly but only on the letter A. The letter A and the letter E were the fewest available to begin with. And there will be fewer as I reg many for myself as I view this list.

not sure if you can buy a lot of qxyz and hold out till the chinese have enuf discretionary income to play here.

The new global economy has no discretionary income to play here? What?

 

[Keynes]

The new global economy has no discretionary income to play here? What?

There is plenty of investment capital in East Asia; no doubt about that. A more important issue is the future of IDN.idn and ccTLDs for international companies. That being said, LLLL should prove to be very shrewd investments a few years out...

 

[3par]

To satisfy my own curiosity, I am running a quick scan as we speak. Definitely down signifigantly but only on the letter A. The letter A and the letter E were the fewest available to begin with. And there will be fewer as I reg many for myself as I view this list.

What are you talking about? E is not the 2nd or even 3rd popular begining. Do your homework before claiming anything.

Here is what is left as of today for 4 letter dotcom:
a 311
s 512
c 678
d 934
t 1167
w 1194
b 1209
h 1299
m 1370
e 1536
k 1617
f 1666
l 1812
g 1826
n 1937
j 1951
r 2285
i 2301
p 2307
o 2718
y 3067
x 3545
z 3784
q 4243
u 4665
v 5390

 

[RegFee]

dyyo.com looks like a nice site. I looked through the "Just Dropped" list and saw jffy.com was available. Too bad it was already snatched, I liked it.

I bookmarked your site. Keep up the good work.

 

[floatingworld]

I believe the 3550 are 4 letters that have NEVER been registered vs. the total number that is available. I have seen days where as many as 1600+ LLLL.com were dropped or expired.

The last scan I ran had in the neighborhood of 96,000 available.

how would dyyo software distinguish between names that had been never been registered and those that had? and whats the point? and anyway dyyo has reported upwards movements in the past. The issue is whether the numbers reported are the result of a comprehensive or sampling scan. My understanding is that dyyo is reporting the numbers available and the monthly trends...throwing in the odd day of numbers dropping only shows up the greater numbers of those being regged over the monthly period if the total available is down.

 

[circa1850]

Do your homework before claiming anything

Is homework one’s reliance on someone else's information or quoting an unreliable source or mis-information. Or is homework conducting one’s own research from many sources rather than depending on just one sole source?

I've done my homework. The entire time while you have been defending your position, stance, and stats provided to you by a lone source, I have been doing my homework by conducting my own research. You put out a challenge, and I accepted your challenge.

Bear with me as I reveal the results of that research.

There were not 311 LLLL.com beginning with the letter A as you, excuse me, as your sole discretionary source claimed. I apologize as that information came from your one source and not from you. Please accept my apologies. That 311 number was not even close, not even in the ballpark, not even in the same universe.

I am familiar with DYYO.COM and regularly check them. This is your source you are claiming and quoting, am I correct? Do you have any other sources to substantiate your claim?

Or are you the author and the webmaster of this site? Are you the author of the article contained on that site entitled How about QXYZ, will they ever be gone? July 20, 2006? If so, I found it quite amusing. If not, then allow me to point out a few things which I find quite contradictory while also adding credibility to my claim of the Chinese from a previous posting.

Quoting from this source, the first sentence of the article is “The most hated characters for four letter domains might be QXYZ”. This is détente at its finest as whomever wrote this article has just insulted 1,306,313,812 people living in China. I want to assure all the Chinese that the author of this article does not speak for the entire English speaking world. Please accept our apology. 請接受我們的道歉。

The author attempts to support his point of view from the random sampling he/she conducts using those letters, which leads to the philosophical statement quoted from the text, “So definitely people don't like them and they are left behind. Like the water is evaporated and only salt is left on the bay land”. Again, to our Chinese friends, we mean no offense and the author does not speak for the entire English.

Another curious fact the author points out is buried near the end of the article but quite significant nevertheless. What is so curious is how the author can make such a bold and brazen statement as noted about but within the very same article we find quite a contradictory statement made by the same writer. Again, I quote:

There is something interesting here. The domain names contain only the so called bad letters actually got registered at a much faster rate than average. On July 1st, only 12% are left compared with 17% for all.”

The most hated letters, to some but not all, are being registered “at a much faster rate than average”. Very interesting. One can only assume that there must be a large population out there, somewhere on this planet, that doesn’t at all mind a four letter combination dot com the begins with either of the letters Q, X, Y, or Z. I am sure the next argument will be that those letters are all that is left or those letters are the ones which three are the most of. But this is not the case as the ones there is the most of, according to your source, are the four letter combinations beginning with the letter U and V. We must therefore assume that no one likes the University of Virginia if those two are the bottom of the rungs on the ladder.

I apologize, that was my veiled attempt at humor to break the ice in such a serious discussion and thread.

So now I am going to let you win this back and forth. But you have to promise to do your own homework.

You can now proudly declare to the world that as of this writting, as of this very moment, as of this very of this post, as of this exact time and date of this message, THERE ARE NO, NONE, NOT A SINGE FOUR LETTER (LLLL.COM) BEGINNING WITH THE LETTER A IN THE WORLD THAT IS AVAILABLE FOR REGISTRATION AT THIS VERY MOMENT.

I would like to point out that it is my understanding that drops and deletions by ICANN occur at the hours of 2pm GMT and 10pm GMT. I am in the EST, currently on DST. Depending on the cycling of the software and the rapidness of the servers used to conduct my analysis, my calculations could be off.

If proven correct, in numerical terms, that means that the first 17, 583 possible four letter (LLLL) .com combinations are gone, for the moment, making this quite a newsworthy event.

It is my bowing down to you and letting you win.

Later when you are feeling up to it, we can discuss the emergence of the Chinese global economy, the impact of the computer on conducting a business in a global marketplace, and the mentality of the English speaking world that everything should and must evolve around the English language as well as the English speaking peoples’ preference to shun things that are foreign to them, i.e., words beginning with the likes of the Greco-Roman alphabet Q, X, Y, Z. More importantly, we will explore and open discussion for the peoples’ disdain for the letters U and V.

 

[cache]

are there other similar sites such as dyyo so that we could confirm its stats?

 

[accent]

I am not sure that you are following the OP's meaning.

The numbers he reported are the change month to month ---- NOT the total remaining which is about 60,000.

 

[3par]

how would dyyo software distinguish between names that had been never been registered and those that had? and whats the point?

Somebody bought the name some time ago, for whatever reason. This makes it a little bit better than others.

The issue is whether the numbers reported are the result of a comprehensive or sampling scan. My understanding is that dyyo is reporting the numbers available and the monthly trends...throwing in the odd day of numbers dropping only shows up the greater numbers of those being regged over the monthly period if the total available is down.

The results are from full scan instead of sampling.

 

[circa1850]

are there other similar sites such as dyyo so that we could confirm its stats?

My point exactly.

Mathematically speaking, there a possible 456, 976 four letter combinations utilizing the 26 letters of the English alphabet.

According to dyyo.com,

“The new registration for November is 5873; the available llll.com decreases by 3550”.

Simply trending analysis. But no where does it take into account or factor in those LLLL.com being dropped on a daily basis and added back into circulation.

While dyyo may be good for trending, it is hardly to be deemed accurate and factual let alone current and up to date. For those purposes, I am not sure any site can be factual and up to date, in a minute-by-minute fashion.

For this you would need a streaming link to daily drops. Such tools are available as a subscription service but are very costly.

Another claim that dyyo.com makes is:

If the current registration trend is kept, we expect all will be registered around next fall.

That is assuming no one drops or let expire any four letter domains.

Personally, I do not see the supply of four letter domains running dry. I could be wrong and it appears that is where the creators and masters of dyyo.com and my self differ.

If I am wrong, then good for them and good for me as they have made me a millionaire.

Understand one thing and allow me to make this very clear…I am not knocking dyyo.com. I use this site for referencing. But I do not rely on it solely. The old saying “don’t put all your eggs in one basket” rings true for the domain business and speculation.

 

[3par]

circa1850,

I don't understand why you are mad at me.

Is that saying qxyz the most hated letters offends you? But that is the fact as quite a few people, when posting domains wanted, indicate they don't want any of those letters. And that is the just the fact when ~85% of current available four letter domains contain one of them.

Keeping track of half million domains that are constantly registered/deleted is never accurate. That is why the data is published one week after the end of the month. And anybody can get zone file to confirm the stat.

 

[RegFee]

circa1850,

I don't understand why you are mad at me.

Is that saying qxyz the most hated letters offends you? But that is the fact as quite a few people, when posting domains wanted, indicate they don't want any of those letters. And that is the just the fact when ~85% of current available four letter domains contain one of them.

Keeping track of half million domains that are constantly registered/deleted is never accurate. That is why the data is published one week after the end of the month. And anybody can get zone file to confirm the stat.

I agree, 3par's site and article are about 4 letter domain names, not "How many Chinese cities start with the letter X." 3par assumed fewer people liked those letters because of the registration data. You can't expect someone to have an in depth knowledge of international domain markets when they never claimed to have such knowledge while presenting the data. Circa, I urge you to create your own site, since you are obviously passionate about this topic.

 

[circa1850]

circa1850,
I don't understand why you are mad at me.

I am not mad at you. Not mad at anyone. Had no intention of getting into a spat. I saw a public forum touting the benefits and supposed accuracy of a site, just at site that happens to be www.dyyo.com. That is what caught my eye.

I use this site, I had no idea and still have no idea of any connection between you and it, and was very familiar with the site and it's contents.

My point from the beginning was this site alone can not be used to make the claims that it so boldly makes.

Is that saying qxyz the most hated letters offends you?

Not at all offended. In a previous post I make reference to the Chinese market and economy and how I have personally seen an upswing in hits per day for those domains I own starting with Q, X, Y, and Z. Thanks to Sedo's new tools, in particular Sedo Pro, I can get a pretty accurate picture where those hits are coming from. China, South East Asia, Taiwan, Korea. These letters are very common in those regions. Am I chinese? no. Am I asian? no. As if it was anyone's business, I was born in the good ol USA to parents of French, not Canadian...not that there is anything wrong with being Canadian, descent.

But that is the fact as quite a few people, when posting domains wanted, indicate they don't want any of those letters

True, they may not want any of those letters, for the moment. They will once we get out of the English speaking mindset and accept the fact that the Chinese are here...perhaps not in person but as an internet presence and player in the domain arena. For that matter, in all facets of business.

Getting off the subject of domain names for a moment, a very good friend of ours is an international expert on repairing, restoration, and appraisal of string instruments, in particular violin, viola, and cello. He deals primarily with the Italian master crafted makes. He has an eye for this, he travels globally to purchase Italian violins and cellos, he does have a personal collection that is quite astounding, and he advertises on the internet. Guess where his customers are coming from? Not literally "coming from" but making initial contact with him via the internet from China. Now, if my friend is comfortable with shipping a $330,000.00 cello to mainland China, then so be it. "It's insured" he says. Or the one buyer from China that bought three vintage Italian violins for the tune of $180,000.00 (reflecting a 10% discount) who had them shipped to LA, flew from China to pick them up and craddle as carry on luggage back to China.

Many of my largest sales over the years have been 4 letter dot coms, not three letter, to countries mentioned above as well as the middle east, in particular Saudi Arabia and Turkey. The fascination for these letters, based on the number of hits, made absolutley no sense to me. But there in lies my point...it need not make sense to me.

Those hits are steadily increasing month after month. I am not talking historically, but in present day. One particular domain was getting more than 20,000 hits a month and generating nearly $400.00 per month on Sedo. It suddenly came out of nowhere. That particular domain sold for a nice tidy sum of money, was a four letter dot com, and contained no vowels.

Getting back to the violin guy for a moment...I have helped him register domain name relating to his business not only in the .cn, .tw, and .com.cn extension but also the Mandarin spelling of certain words relating to the violin industry.

Never once did I take offense to anything you had to say but felt like I was being on put on the offensive by your counter claims.

I actually had fun, as we all most likely do from time to time, in supporting my counter claim to you on this forum.

By the way, I'm not kidding. As far as I know, all LLLL.com with the letter A at the beginning are gone at this very moment. Please verify.

Keeping track of half million domains that are constantly registered/deleted is never accurate.

BINGO, better yet, let someone else say it :bingo: That is the point to my point. Even if I say all LLLL.com domains starting with the letter A are gone, it may be true at that very moment. If they are gone, then the 311 number was off, way off. Try XX. And by tonight there may be another XX or perhaps XXX depending on the drop. There are currently about 100 being auctioned off on TDNAM and that is just one source that I am referring to.

It never is accurate, it can not be accurate, it never will be accurate. If www.dyyo.com is your site, I do appreciate and use the trending analysis but only as one, and only one, point of reference.

To all who have added to this thread, regardless whose side you take, I would like to say it was never about taking sides. It is about absorbing it all in and taking something away that you may find useful and educational.

Now, would someone please point me in the direction to the link to the live auction? I am really looking forward to it as I have never participated in one of these.

Thanks to all and thanks to you, 3par, for providing us with yet another resouce to make an informed decision.

 

[cache]

the dyyo site's Just Dropped does not show good letter llll.com domains. Are the good letter domains dropping or they are just snapped by someone right away?

 

[circa1850]

I agree, 3par's site and article are about 4 letter domain names

Go back to the very first post. Does he identify himself as the owner, creator, developer of www.dyyo.com? Nope. He uses it and refers to it in his thread to make a point. I also use that site as a reference almost daily and am quite familiar with it contents, not who the owner or creator is.

You can't expect someone to have an in depth knowledge of international domain markets when they never claimed to have such knowledge while presenting the data

I was not aware that a four letter dot com (LLLL.com) was not considered an international domain. Thank you for pointing that out to me. I will now only sell to USA born and bred domainers and ask for proof of identification and country of origin.

Circa, I urge you to create your own site, since you are obviously passionate about this topic.

Now I think you just want to get rid of me. Naw, I think I'll hang around. Very thought provoking subject matter to be found right here.

Again, will someone tell me where the link is for the live auction?

 

[RegFee]

As if it was anyone's business, I was born in the good ol USA to parents of French, not Canadian...not that there is anything wrong with being Canadian, descent.

Circa,
I didn't think it was possible for someone to ramble on MORE than I do :P

Only 60 posts? How long have you been in the industry? I'm looking forward to reading more of your posts, they are very informative. I especially liked the bit about the cellos.

If you're talking about the live auction in the chat room, there should be a link in the upper right hand corner of your screen that says Join Chat!

http://www.namepros.com/chat.php

I might be able to make it, but my wife's cats decided to turn my house into a giant litter box, so I'm going to be shampooing and scrubbing for at least the next hour.

Talk to you later,
Jorge

I was not aware that a four letter dot com (LLLL.com) was not considered an international domain. Thank you for pointing that out to me. I will now only sell to USA born and bred domainers and ask for proof of identification and country of origin.

Maybe it's just your personality, but if you're wondering why people think you are mad at them, it's because your choice of words aren't exactly tactful. Passive-aggressiveness just sparks more passive aggressiveness. Unless you're dealing with me, then it just sparks a :zzz:

 

[circa1850]

Been in the domain business for about 10-12 years (rough estimate) can ramble on when trying to prove a point, hated chat rooms (still do), can't stand forums, recently joined to consider selling some domain names. Also proved to be a valuable source for domain names.

I like cats, ours recently passed away, his name was joe, a gray and white tabby, we still have four dogs...Buttons, Charlie, Maggie, and Cotton...all found us, sorry about your mess, glad you liked the bit about the cello, learning to play it myself along with the violin at the same time, speak 5 languages, learning three more...damn, I'm rambing again.

Where in the hell is that chat room!