.tv $16,000 of Premium Verisign Regs this week

[antonis12]

As with with the prior figures...

Week ending Sunday, Feb 12. As before, tracking premium words only (no n/nn/nnn or l/ll/lll .tv)

New Premium Regs (10 regs, $16,000)
cruises.tv $5,000
child.tv $2,000
hurricane.tv $2,000
sick.tv $2,000
telecom.tv $2,000
bahamas.tv $1,000
affiliate.tv $500
lapdance.tv $500
last.tv $500
ryan.tv $500

Premium Drops (3 drops, $1,500)
greek.tv $500
prostitution.tv $500
shag.tv $500

 

[namewaiter]

bahamas.tv for $1000 was a great reg imho

 

[gamehouse]

Thanks for the hardwork and reporting buddy. Rep added. If I had the money, I would have regged bahamas.tv right away

Gamehouse

 

[antonis12]

I know that I sound like a broken record, but if someone had *bought* cruises.biz for $5,000 it would have ranked between 5 and 6 on the reported DNJournal sales of Global Contenders last week.

Instead. someone has paid $5,000 for only one year of use of cruises.tv which means, by any metric, that someone is committing to more than $5K for the continued use of the name.

 

[Argos]

Excellent work and analysis. Thank you very much for your initiatives and great input. Rep added

 

[dottvfan]

It's a disgrace

I know that I sound like a broken record, but if someone had *bought* cruises.biz for $5,000 it would have ranked between 5 and 6 on the reported DNJournal sales of Global Contenders last week.

Instead. someone has paid $5,000 for only one year of use of cruises.tv which means, by any metric, that someone is committing to more than $5K for the continued use of the name.

Perhaps a letter to the editor is required. Rep added

 

[gamehouse]

May be a list based on the amount paid only should be prepared despite of the extention. Then for sure, .tv regs themselves beat many other .exts resale prices.

Gamehouse

 

[snoop]

As with with the prior figures...

Week ending Sunday, Feb 12. As before, tracking premium words only (no n/nn/nnn or l/ll/lll .tv)

New Premium Regs (10 regs, $16,000)
cruises.tv $5,000
child.tv $2,000
hurricane.tv $2,000
sick.tv $2,000
telecom.tv $2,000
bahamas.tv $1,000
affiliate.tv $500
lapdance.tv $500
last.tv $500
ryan.tv $500

Premium Drops (3 drops, $1,500)
greek.tv $500
prostitution.tv $500
shag.tv $500

where do .tv show the prices people have paid? thx

 

[Badger]

thats an interesting point:

Do premium purchases from the registry constitute "sales"....?

i'll ask Duke me thinks...

 

[antonis12]

thats an interesting point:

Do premium purchases from the registry constitute "sales"....?

i'll ask Duke me thinks...

Of course they are. They are sales on an installment plan.

A sale is an exchange of cash for the right to use the name in perpetuity.

(in most major extensions the annual renewal fee is so low that it is effectively zero).

In the case of a premium .tv domain registered from Verisign the amount of cash needed to secure the perpetual use of a domain is the annual registration fees multipled by many years. (Taking into account the fact that a dollar spent in the future is worth less than a dollar spent today. See below for the precise finance answer)

In non-finance terms, just ask yourself the following common sense question.

Which domain will cost you more?

a) a domain that you have to purchase from someone for $5,000 and then can keep using forever for $7 / year

or

b) a domain that has an annual registration fee of $5,000 per year but that you do not have to "purchase"

We should not be misled by the fact that Verisign calls its sales price "registration fees". It just means that it is selling you the domain with an installment plan.

Cheers,

Antonis

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* Technical financial explanation. The true cost of a premium .tv registration is the cost of an annuity (annual payment) in the amount of the registration fee, discounted back to the present day. Depending on your assumptions about interest rates, the cost in today's dollars of registering a .tv domain name forever is something like 5x to 9x the registration fee

For the finance geeks out there, you should probably reduce this amount to account for the fact that you can choose to renew without penalty and to take into account Verisign multiyear discounts, but that is a technical twist that does not change the overall point

 

[Australia]

i dont think premium .tv registrations should be classed as sales :imho:

 

[Badger]

And it looks as though the Duke agrees with you also Ade - he answered my question by PM.

No, regardless of price a new registration is a new registration not a domain sale. The purpose of the domain sales column is to track aftermarket sales (the same purpose comparable real estate sales reports serve in the real world where the cost of new construction is a different animal).

Very few people who have registered .tv domains have been able to sell them in the aftermarket because the registry has kept all of the profit potential in the domains for themselves. That being the case the extension has primarily appealed to developers who must build real businesses on the domains if they ever hope to recoup their investment. Nothing wrong with doing that but it's a completely different game than aftermarket sales.

Which I would also tend to agree upon. But speaking rhetorically (to save anyone explaining to me the basis of how domain sales are bought and sold) Verisign are a private organisation so doesnt this constitute an afttermarket?

 

[gamehouse]

Lol, I agree.

If you take things by rule, of course .tv registrations are registrations. But if you take it at face value, it is a sale with different terms.(if .tv corporation is selling all names at the same price, I would love to call it registartion and also if they allow other registrars to sell the names) Go and type some preimum name in godaddy, you will find that it is kept back by .tv which means .tv is acting as a registrar as well as a reseller with different terms than regular sales.

So by rule, Dnjournal may not consider them as sales. No need to give worrd jumbo to prove it is not a sale. But at the face value some of the .tv names are being sold albeit with different terms at much higher prices than some .coms. Thats in my opinion of course.

Gamehouse

 

[eyedomainous]

If a real estate company named SEDO, for example, lists and sells the properties it is contracted to list & sell to end users thats considered a Sale (by domainers).

If a real estate company named Verisign lists and sells properties it is contracted to list & sell (by Tuvalo) to end users thats Not considered a Sale (by domainers).

ummm???

[THKS for working the .tv stats, antonis12]

 

[snoop]

If a real estate company named SEDO, for example, lists and sells the properties it is contracted to list & sell to end users thats considered a Sale (by domainers).

If a real estate company named Verisign lists and sells properties it is contracted to list & sell (by Tuvalo) to end users thats Not considered a Sale (by domainers).

ummm???

[THKS for working the .tv stats, antonis12]

I think these .tv deals are very different to the property sale comparison. It is probably closer to a lease agreement with options to extend.

Perhaps Duke could report these as sidenotes if he saw fit, but I don't think you could argue that if someone agrees to pay $1000 annually for a name then that constitues a $1000 sale. The concept of someone "owning" a domain is probably less clear for premium .tv as compared to extensions where the reg fee is more like a nominal cost.

On one hand the annual fee of $1000 suggests the domain might be worth far more than $1000 if the reg fee had have been smaller, on the other hand it could be argued that since the person is only paying a renewal fee the value that actually passes to the registrant could be a figure less than the reg fee (which will eventualy fall to zero value when the year is up).

 

[brokerage.tv]

I think it is important to credit the high priced registrations of .tv domains accordingly. Keep in mind that drugs.com sold for $837,000 total, and drugstore.tv registered for $500,000 one time! .tv is out selling .com in many different key arenas!

 

[snoop]

drugstore.tv registered for $500,000 one time!

Do you believe that an individual (ie not even a corporate) would spend $500,000 per year on this name ($3.5 million spent so on reg fees so far if your renewal figure is accurate) and not even bother setting up dns? I would say it is more likely that the moon is made of cheese.

Domain Name: drugstore.tv


Registrant:
Victor Castellon
250 Plauche Street
Harahan, LA 70123
US
504-733-8182
Administrative, Technical Contact:
Victor Castellon
250 Plauche Street
Harahan, LA 70123
US
504-733-8182
Record expires on:
Record created on: Jan 20 2008
Jan 20 2001
Domain Name Servers: DNS Information not assigned