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What are the laws in Arlington and the state of VA governing the use of a weapon in self defense? Were the "alleged" perpetrators armed? Were the "alleged" perpetrators advancing on or threating the store employee/shooter when the first shot was fired? Was the store employee/shooter protecting himself from a threat of immediate personal harm or in immediate fear for his life? Were the "alleged" perpetrators in retreat or advancing when he fired the second shot? How are we to draw a reasonable conclusion without the details?

Oh, yeah, we don't have those details - or many others. Sheesh!!! Once again, there goes the MSM pub...lish...ing... OH! Wait a minute... There goes the RWM publishing a story without presenting all the facts! How can they get away with writing this kind of crap?!?!? </sarcasm> (Truth be told, just about every other story I found on this shooting/robbery provides the same limited details.)

By the way, laws are laws and we are required to follow them, like it or not. Don't like the laws, moblize others and get them changed!

PSA: If anyone owns firearms for self defense, you sure as hell better know and understand your local laws regarding their use in this or other scenarios and situations before you use them.

By the employees own words, they threw bricks threw the window and entered the store. He was arrested because he didn't flee out the back door.

3 against 1. What would you do? Make them coffee?
 
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By the employees own words, they threw bricks threw the window and entered the store. He was arrested because he didn't flee out the back door.

3 against 1. What would you do? Make them coffee?

First, I'm completely fine, always, with defending yourself.

This seems to be a case of not enough info. From what they said, he had a protective order, wasn't allowed to have a gun, even tho it was the stores. They said he was in a secure room in the back, so he wasn't in danger. He came out and shot. They can't find 2 of them, hence them not being arrested.
 
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By the employees own words, they threw bricks threw the window and entered the store. He was arrested because he didn't flee out the back door.

3 against 1. What would you do? Make them coffee?
What were the rest of his words? What exactly did he say to the po-po? Without knowing exactly what he said to the police or what actual actions the "alleged" perps took, one can not fully and appropriately judge the outcome. Some people say stupid things not knowing they can be misconstrued or taken out of context.

Did the bad guys know he was there in the "secure back room"? Just because they threw bricks through the windows does not mean they were a threat to him or threatening him. Not all states have "stand your ground" laws. Some require you to run away from a threat if there is the opportunity to do so. (I did not write the laws so don't blame me.)

Were the BGs too busy breaking in to the cash register to know he was there when he poked his head out? Did he shoot the guy in the back? The side? In the butt? Any of those would suggest that the employee was not in immediate danger or being threatened when he pulled the trigger, hence the reason for the Malicious Wounding and Reckless Handling of a Firearm charges.

Depending on your local laws, just because an "alleged" bad guy is in your home or place of business, it does not automatically give one the right to shoot them. Legally, there may be specific actions that they would have to take/make in order for you to be able to shoot at them. Again, don't like the laws, change them!

Another story indicates the employee "had a "protective order" against him, which may prevent him from possessing a gun." Was the gun his or was it the property of the store owner? Without knowing, how can question the legality of those charges.

If you are making a "final" call based on the very limited details include in these stories, you are rushing to judgement and should really consider broadening your critical thinking skills.
 
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By the way, laws are laws and we are required to follow them, like it or not. Don't like the laws, moblize others and get them changed!

I agree with your post that there is not enough info, but this comment....

"The law is the law" is the updated version of the Nuremberg Trial's "I was just following orders." (Befehl ist Befehl - "an order is an order".) Unfortunately, the people are often too apathetic, ignorant, brainwashed, or frightened to change immoral or unjust laws. "The law is the law" is no reason at all, just a facile excuse for oppression. There are consequences for disobeying unjust laws, but that doesn't mean it's OK to be dismissive of the injustice.
 
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https://www.mediamatters.org/tucker...its-he-hasnt-confirmed-true-spread-conspiracy

Interesting 5 minute video on the origins of the virus. Also interesting how the headline seeks to mislead readers, in their own way confirming his accusation that the media wants to cover this up. The usual comments follow, by people who obviously couldn't take 5 minutes to watch the video. Most MediaMatters readers seem to pretty much stop reading at the headlines.
 
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What were the rest of his words? What exactly did he say to the po-po? Without knowing exactly what he said to the police or what actual actions the "alleged" perps took, one can not fully and appropriately judge the outcome. Some people say stupid things not knowing they can be misconstrued or taken out of context.

Did the bad guys know he was there in the "secure back room"? Just because they threw bricks through the windows does not mean they were a threat to him or threatening him. Not all states have "stand your ground" laws. Some require you to run away from a threat if there is the opportunity to do so. (I did not write the laws so don't blame me.)

Were the BGs too busy breaking in to the cash register to know he was there when he poked his head out? Did he shoot the guy in the back? The side? In the butt? Any of those would suggest that the employee was not in immediate danger or being threatened when he pulled the trigger, hence the reason for the Malicious Wounding and Reckless Handling of a Firearm charges.

Depending on your local laws, just because an "alleged" bad guy is in your home or place of business, it does not automatically give one the right to shoot them. Legally, there may be specific actions that they would have to take/make in order for you to be able to shoot at them. Again, don't like the laws, change them!

Another story indicates the employee "had a "protective order" against him, which may prevent him from possessing a gun." Was the gun his or was it the property of the store owner? Without knowing, how can question the legality of those charges.

If you are making a "final" call based on the very limited details include in these stories, you are rushing to judgement and should really consider broadening your critical thinking skills.

Self Defense Is Not a Crime

Police report:

Police say a group of three suspects broke into a store on the 2400 block of Shirlington Road and began stealing cash and merchandise. The employee, who was in a backroom at the time, picked up a gun, opened a door into the store, and shot one of the suspects, according to an Arlington County Police press release.

The employee then retreated, before going back into the store and firing another shot, police said.

The wounded suspect was a juvenile male; he suffered serious but non-life threatening injuries. The two other suspects fled the scene before police arrived.
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“Following consultation with the Commonwealth’s Attorney’s Office, the employee, Hamzeh Abushariah, 33, of Washington D.C. was charged with Malicious Wounding, Reckless Handling of a Firearm and Violation of a Protective Order,” police said. “Additional charges related to the breaking and entering are anticipated at a later date."
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The burglars were not charged but police are now saying they will be charged latter. Democrat policies of decriminalizing property crimes, theft & burglary may have something to do with suspect not being charged. - imo
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They are letting sex offenders out of jail because of the Chinese Bat Virus but hold this guy without bail. If that makes sense to you, you might be a democrat.

"When the police came, we thought we were in the right. Three masked men, 4:30 a.m. on a Sunday morning...The cops are treating us like we're the ones who caused the harm! This is a very sad day for America today. As an American citizen, practicing the Second Amendment to protect the store and the lives and, not only that, the people [living] upstairs. Do you know what the police officers told him? Why didn't you run out the back door? And guess what? When we checked the back door, there was a book bag and two rocks and a pole. What were going to do with that? If he would have gone out the back he would have met up with the three masked men and maybe shot them. Then what? He would be doing 60 years in jail?"

Sounds like the police are lying about the evidence. We'll see.
 
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First, I'm completely fine, always, with defending yourself.

This seems to be a case of not enough info. From what they said, he had a protective order, wasn't allowed to have a gun, even tho it was the stores. They said he was in a secure room in the back, so he wasn't in danger. He came out and shot. They can't find 2 of them, hence them not being arrested.

He has a right to defend property also - imo. Charge is "Malicious Wounding", "reckless handling of a firearm" and violating a protective order.

I don't understand holding him without bail. Has no criminal history according to attorney. Something stinks.
 
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Just because they threw bricks through the windows does not mean they were a threat to him or threatening him.
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Instead of offering them a coffee... maybe a scotch on the rocks?
 
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Sounds like the police are lying about the evidence. We'll see.
GD! Let me get this straight...

Because we:
  1. We don't have all the facts
  2. We have no idea what the gun laws of Arlington and VA
  3. We don't know what legally constitutes self defense there
  4. You are unable to accept that these FACTS might likely completely obliterate your preferred narative
that makes it a conspiracy by the cops and DA to railroad a totally innocent guy?!?!?

Again, you SERIOUSLY need to revisit your critical thinking skills!
 
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Mike Pence, by the constitution, would become the acting president.
 
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Yeah, that's what happened!

This guy saw right through the Dem's poorly executed conspiracy to squelch our fearless leader and keep him from talking to his lemmings.

It had absolutely NOTHING to do with the reality of what we are now experiencing. No one, the Dems or anyone else, could have predicted it might actually turn in to what is happening now.

I'll sleep soundly at night knowing you won't fall for the Dem's conspiracy, that you'll never be a progressive drone and won't be social distancing or wearing a mask when Covid-19 hits your idyllicshores.

 
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GD! Let me get this straight...

Because we:
  1. We don't have all the facts
  2. We have no idea what the gun laws of Arlington and VA
  3. We don't know what legally constitutes self defense there
  4. You are unable to accept that these FACTS might likely completely obliterate your preferred narative
that makes it a conspiracy by the cops and DA to railroad a totally innocent guy?!?!?

Again, you SERIOUSLY need to revisit your critical thinking skills!
Only a Liberal defends "bandidos" the way you do! No words of sympathy for the victim of burglary?
 
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No one, the Dems or anyone else, could have predicted it might actually turn in to what is happening now.
Now there's something we can agree on... NO ONE could have predicted it. So why are so many blaming Trump? Blame the fucking Chinese Government... they started it, they withheld the information, till it was too late. They and some of their "Bat & Rat Stew" eating citizens are the CULPRITS.

I'll sleep soundly at night knowing you won't fall for the Dem's conspiracy, that you'll never be a progressive drone and won't be social distancing or wearing a mask when Covid-19 hits your idyllic shores.
Hey... we've been on quarantine here for over 3 weeks now, with even tougher measures than New York or the US. We're suffering even more than Americans, since we don't have aFed printing Trillions of $, but we're grinding along and waiting for a light at the end of the tunnel, which we still don't see, but know it's there.

In the meantime, since I love snooker, but don't have a snooker table, I improvise, improvise, improvise...
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Only a Liberal defends "bandidos" the way you do!

So anyone that actually that uses their brain and wants to know and understand the actual facts of a situation before making an educated decsion is 'a Liberal defending "bandidos"'????

Yeah, OK, you go right ahead and live your best life using that simplistic, 2D, black & white way of thinking as your guiding light...

No words of sympathy for the victim of burglary?
Why do you guy's always try to make my posts about something else or take them/me in a different direction?
 
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Now there's something we can agree on... NO ONE could have predicted it...
And yet, so many people did and tried to raise a red flag...

Ps. Do you even think about what you are posting before you post???
 
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So anyone that actually that uses their brain and wants to know and understand the actual facts of a situation before making an educated decision is 'a Liberal defending "bandidos"'????
So what exactly would "Mr. Know It All" TestCase have done if three bandidos had thrown rocks at your window at 5AM and you woke up and saw them in your living room?

Ask them to sit down for a few minutes while you prepared them some "Tea & Scones"?
 
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GD! Let me get this straight...

Because we:
  1. We don't have all the facts
  2. We have no idea what the gun laws of Arlington and VA
  3. We don't know what legally constitutes self defense there
  4. You are unable to accept that these FACTS might likely completely obliterate your preferred narative
that makes it a conspiracy by the cops and DA to railroad a totally innocent guy?!?!?

Again, you SERIOUSLY need to revisit your critical thinking skills!

We have a constitution that includes a bill of rights. If the law makes self-defense, defense of others or defense of property a crime; it's an unjust law.

You don't have to insult my critical thinking skills because we disagree. I'm probably more critical of authority than the average person but I'm also a libertarian.

** If you break into someones home / business / property to steal, you should expect to be met with violence. Period.
 
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Man Glad To Know Job That Fed His Family, Paid His Rent Is 'Non-Essential' - BB
 
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....No one, the Dems or anyone else, could have predicted it might actually turn in to what is happening now.

Sen. Tom Cotton did and made a lot of noise trying to warn people. ( I didn't pay attention either ).

Also, those Senators in both parties who were at the same briefing Cotton was and decided to liquidate their stock portfolios instead of telling America about the looming problem.
 
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By the employees own words, they threw bricks threw the window and entered the store. He was arrested because he didn't flee out the back door.

3 against 1. What would you do? Make them coffee?

From my post here,
https://www.namepros.com/threads/the-nps-official-usa-political-thread.764342/page-1265#post-7066282
...I've lead a good life. I've had good/great things happen and I've had some not so good things happen. I've had my cars broken in to more times than I can remember. I've been home when someone broke it my apartment in the middle of the afternoon. Without thinking and with an adrenaline rush pumping through my brain, I chased him back in to the the hallway and down the stairwell. He was faster than me and was long gone by the time I hit the ground level and opened the door...

I've worked in and spent time in places that definitely had me concerned for my safety. I've also had loaded handguns pointed at me three times, the last two times 6 inches from my head by people that wanted my money. There have also been a number of other situations/life experiences (not to be addressed) that have had me deeply concerned for my overall well being and lifespan.

Despite the bad, I've never felt the need to have a gun on my person outside of my home -- but I understand those that do feel that need.
 
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Biden Offers To Dial Up President Nixon And Tell Him How To Deal With All This Flu Malarkey - Andrew Klavin.
 
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You put the responsibility to behave and obey the law on the victim. Police said victim should have ran out the back door, he could have met a worse fate there. No questions if the criminals were armed. I think it safe to assume at least one of the three could have had a gun.

While I respect your experience, there is no reason to expect another person to act as you do. Victim wasn't out and about, he was staying in the store to protect the property from criminals burglarizing businesses.
 
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