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lasure said:

Yeah, it's a little different when you've built a successful brand with more than just local name recognition. I'm both online and brick and mortar for each of my companies.

The cost to rebrand/rename would dwarf the cost of a two name domain.

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But you just told me that it is non-essential for your business. And since you've been quite happily operating your business without it. I don't get all this emotion. No need to reply. I'm outa here.

lasure said:

Secondly, I think the reason you (and several others) got their knickers in a twist becuase you read the thread title and went off the hadle.

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I’m Off The Handle.

And I don’t see why you joined this forum to act arrogant and entitled. This is a civil forum of many good people. I don’t care if you are the CEO of Nabisco with $1 million to spend, it is irrelevant who you are or think you are in your myopic small world. Some of us even collect names “just because”.

I would quadruple the price if you contacted me in your ill mannered way, “just because” of your attitude to get rid of you. And it wouldn’t be the first time either.

You come into this forum with a sense of misplaced ego and self importance, and it is too bad anyone above attempted to help or has responded in good faith. You don’t deserve the benefit of a response. Especially if @equity78 or @stub both who genuinely help others all the time and participate here, give you a dislike on your post. That is really pretty rare.

“Who you are” is self evident. You are the type who would probably stiff someone on a measily $100 Finders fee too like you mentioned above.

lasure said:

... suggesting that I blanket called everyone squatters. I didn't, I called this guy a squatter becuase that's exactly what he is.
So please don't post utter BS like I "ruffled feathers by calling you squatters", because I didn't.

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so please clarify
squatter or not ?
guilty or not?
just annoying or criminal?

I want your car
give it to me
I offer you $100 USD
its parked all the time
I will drive 100000 miles / year
give it to me

lasure said:

This guy is also sitting on 1500+ domains and never responds to anyone, but you'd know that if you actually read the thread.

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so why is that your business?
he has every right to do so
personally I hope he continues to do so.

lasure said:

The reason I wanted this name in particular is that A) it's adjacent to both my current companies in name and B) nothing is being done with it and C) why not try to buy a domain that someone isn't using and hasn;t ever had a site associated with it or even been used as a holding page.

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so what?
I want my neighbours wife
he isn't using her anyway

lasure said:

Instead, I got a bunch of people flying off the handle for no good reason other than they have poor reading and comprehension skills. .

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you are "prince charming"

lasure said:

Actually, my personal opinion is that you should't be able to indefinitely sit on exclusively owned intellectual property, especially given that there's a finite number of domains.

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Fortunately, we all live in free countries and have every right to laugh on this your opinion. While you have every right to still have this opinion.

At this point, you might just quote the name and how much you have offered. Let's see if you're really being generous or simply delusional.

I am an end user too.
From time to time, I contact people with a view to buying their domain names. Either to develop them or to resell them. I know the frustration.
Some people think that because somebody is interested in a domain name they own, they hit the jackpot and an Arab prince will pay them 7 figures so they will be able to retire. It's true, many domain owners have unrealistic expectations. Also, I found out that some people just don't need money.

On the occasion, we have received decent offers on domain names we own, and yet we declined to sell simply because it wouldn't make a real difference to our bottom line.

The truth is, in this world almost everything is for sale. But sometimes, you have to offer more than a fair price. You have to offer a life-changing sum.

In my neighborhood there are unoccupied homes that I could use. I wish I could just settle in, because I will be a better owner who is going to take good care of the property. It doesn't work like this.

Kate said:

The truth is, in this world almost everything is for sale. But sometimes, you have to offer more than a fair price. You have to offer a life-changing sum.

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This was very nicely said, and this is the only possible key to potential success of @lasure in this matter. Best approach here (after tons of mistakes made by OP) is to write nice, respectful, polite and humble (it is not a crime to be humble btw, or at least to pretend it) email and give your best financial offer. Not something you think is "fair" and what you think should be enough for him, but something what will catch the attention of rightful domain owner while you can still afford it, and it still makes a business sense for you. I also suggest to write email yourself, clearly ideantifying who you are, introducing your business, etc. It is also extremely helpful to speak about why you like the domain name, how this can help you - this can establish sort of personal connection.

If rightful domain owner does not reply to your nice, respectful, polite and humble email with your high financial offer then do not keep to chase him with another emails/conversation/phone calls/letters, etc. It is his full legal right to ignore you and your wishes, while (in EU and USA, I am not sure about other jurisdictions) your rights to contact him repeadly and above some intensity, or publicly mention him or refer to him particularly in non favourable ways, or ask other people to get in touch with him, while requiring some sort of interaction from him just because you want some name he owns, are pretty non-existent (very softly said).

It is important to realize that "no reply" is also a reply if there is a reason to believe your messages were delivered, and it is one of the strongest replies human being can give, and it must be respected. Look, I also want lot of things because I think thay would benefit me and I can not simply get some of them - when I was small baby I am told that I was pretty angry, shouting, crying, rolling on carpet when things were not according my wishes - but I am older now. so all what I can do is to roll my eyes in those situations, and maybe curse a little (silently in my mind and only once), and then move on.
Good luck, but keep things right.

Very beautifully said @lolwarrior. Very careful to dance carefully around the thing which bugs him the most. The Korean has a domain he wants and ignores his attempts to be contacted. He comes here looking for some solace, only to find that we all agree, that the Korean, owns the domain, and has every right to ignore any contacts. He cannot get that thru his thick head, as a reality, because he's so mad, mad, mad.

It's my pure speculation that the Korean has had some toilet paper printed with the domain name, and takes great pleasure wiping his behind every time he feels the urge, because the owner before him, wouldn't reply to his offers to buy the domain. Actually. He's got 1500 of these toilet rolls. One for each domain he owns. He takes great pleasure in using them. Ahh, What bliss.

mr-x said:

I know how to contact him but I'm not going to tell you.

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Ohh Man..

lasure said:

Did anyone involved in this thread ever get hold of Dongjin Kim?

He's squatting on over 1500 domains, and for the last year I have endlessly tried everything I can think of to contact him (short of getting on a plane to Korea) to buy one domain he has done NOTHING with for over 5 years.

I can't understand the logic. The point of squatting is to have people buy the domains for a far greater price which I'm willing to pay, but I can't raise any for of response.

I've even tried registering an official complaint with his domain provider but they state they can't do anything as he pays his renewal fees each year.

Did anyone get hold of him? If so, please can you help me? I just want to pay this guy for a single domain.

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What is your problem? I do not understand

Michael Ehrhardt said:

What is your problem? I do not understand

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It might be difficult to understand now, indeed. The original thread was split, about search of this Korean guy, so this is only one branch of that original thread.

Another problem of the OP - is his arrogance and rudeness.

First let me address this:

lasure said:

sitting on

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lasure said:

squatting

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lasure said:

he has done NOTHING

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lasure said:

facetious response

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lasure said:

keep quiet

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lasure said:

spend less time being obtuse

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lasure said:

this guy is a weird one

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lasure said:

ooh, I've hit a nerve. Keep your panties on

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This is a terrible approach you have taken. I totally understand that it is out of frustration, but this kind of language is inappropriate.

If the person in question does see this thread, if I were him, I would never sell to you out of principle.

Moving forward.

Just send him your cash offers. Some domainers only respond to money. If he is not responding to you it is because you have not sent him an offer he likes.

It may be a totally fair and reasonable amount to you, but you many not be in his range for responding.

I truly wish you good luck, just remember bro HONEY catches more flies than VINEGAR.

One thing to realize, people who own great domains usually receive inquiries often, while they may have zero or little interest in selling their domains. Some people are weird, they like to collect domains and they may not need money even though they aren't rich.
For example if you own names like LLL.com you'll get offers from tire-kickers on a weekly basis.
Most inquiries will simply be ignored, unless they stand out. You might be a valid end user, but you might not be the perfect end user. Not always easy to put oneself in the other party's shoes.

Okay let me get in this.....
I think maybe you ruffled some feathers here on NP by calling a possible colleague of ours a squatter.
Your approach on NamePros should of been more as in "Help Me, I'm willing to pay a % if you can help me acquire a domain I'm really interested in buying".

But, my question to you sir is, If you are "SO INTERESTED IN THAT DOMAIN" why not hire a domain name broker?
Obviously you have failed to obtain the domain via "doing it yourself".
A domain name broker will know how to speak to the domainer in a manner that may not annoy him.
A domain name broker is like a real estate agent. He or she can contact the domainer and maybe find out his reason for not contacting you back or maybe find out his true selling price.

Maybe your offer was to low.
I bet if you offered him a cool million, he will get back to you.

Regards,
SuperSquatter

the answer is simple... your squatter were billioner with hundred or even thousand of billions wealth, he didnt need money, his 1500 domains were only hobby or even worse only a ways for burning her unlimited money LOL

Reading this thread be like..



Dongjin Kim (owner of the domain) be like



All of us be like...



OP be like...

Everything has a price.

You should make him an offer he can't refuse.
Not just $20 with a couple of extra zeroes.

Maybe you are not the only person after that domain. The "squatter" maybe receiving much better offers than yours. Your offer may not be in his top 100.

Or else, maybe he is no more..!!

Maybe he think the price you offer is stupid and dont want to reply a kid.

Squatting only applies to assets that are currently owned by other people or entities.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/squatter.

The initial "squat" is illegal, but it becomes legal with the passage of time.

Sad to see such illogical use of this word by many in the startup community. It just shows up how they are ruled by emotion, in particular emotions of frustration.

I get silly offers from some who use that argument that "you haven't done anything with it for years so you should sell the domain for about nothing."

HA!

I suppose then that antiques and vintage items should go down in value too, dependent on whether they have been kept stored away or used for whatever they were intended for?

He should have just said - I need help contacting this person. I'll pay $100 to the person who can get me in touch with him.

Hope he/she reads this thread and realises that he does not want to deal someone who comes across as a spoilt brat....Grow up.

Capitalism - An economic system controlled by private owners for profit.

are the keywords available in any other extension?

Cheers
Corey

stub said:

It's my pure speculation that the Korean has had some toilet paper printed with the domain name, and takes great pleasure wiping his behind every time he feels the urge, because the owner before him, wouldn't reply to his offers to buy the domain. Actually. He's got 1500 of these toilet rolls. One for each domain he owns. He takes great pleasure in using them. Ahh, What bliss.

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I know I have a couple names that @stub just gave me a great idea for... I certainly hope one day the OP reaches out to me to offer me a "fair" price for my domains that I have "squatted" on while "doing nothing with them".

I will be sure to take 5 years to not respond, just so we can all come back here and have a good laugh again and reminisce. It is more likely though that in 5 years, this thread will still be open because that darn Korean still hasn't answered his emails.

Since the OP has made so many new friends here, I wonder if he will stick around to see if anyone actually tries to help him. Oh well... Not my monkeys, not my circus... I have to go attend to my squatting now.

Ok so this was four pages of nothing...thanks OP..

I have employed 2x domain agents to get a hold of this guy and nothing. And I'm talking high five figure offers.
Not sure I can reach 6 figures for this.