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Hi everyone, hope u are doing well !

I want to talk about my first experience on selling a domain name for 5 figures (I am a beginner specialised on crypto domain name - I have a rich experience in the crypto world but not domaining, still learning everyday).

The domain name is: Binance.Exchange, it is sold for 12000$ and recieved net payment of 9950$ (deducing afternic fees)

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I spotted the domain name on NameSilo Marketplace (BTW I buy all of them there since they have cheap prices for hand regged and support all major extensions), I found it on the expired auctions list, I didn't thought that I had a chance to acquire it since many of the domain name I bid on on the marketplace were not successful, since the owner renew it at the last moment (Sometimes even in the last 5 minutes !).

But for this one, it was successful ... someone already made a bid on it (1$) and you will find all the interesting domains have that 1$ bid (perhaps a big company or experienced domainer), the first challange is to win that expired auction, especially that whois datas indicate the registered date = 2017 (I know well Binance and trade frequently on their plateform and was from the first users that registered to their service, I assisted to their launching, the registered date add a great argument to the negociations while selling it) ! luckily the MAX BUY price was 50$, so I paid that amount 2 days before the expiration (For me, waiting to the last minutes was not necessary as per my own experience ... and it will add unecessary risk that someone pay for it before I do), I remember that when I was ready to pay, I stopped for one moment in order to think if it was the right thing to do, and if it was not pereferable to invest on handregged domain name (This will add more chance of selling and more oppotunities), I choosen to continue on the same path.

After 2 days, I won the domain name and it got transferred to my account on NameSilo.

As soon as it was recieved, I made some searchs on how to contact the right person on Binance and to make a plan with solid arguments to convince them to buy it !

I contacted them from the support page, tried different names @binance.com throught email but no success.

My last and successful try was to make a post on their official reddit and suggest to people to make an offer for the domain name since it was great for trader to redirect traffic on it to their affiliate links !

After 1 day, the post was deleted and one of the moderators contacted me about the domain name and offered me 3000$ for it, I rejected the offer and sent a counter offer at 5 BTC (Around 46500$ at the writing time)!

I spent around 1 week dealing with them without any way out that feet the both party, they stuck to 3k$ or maximum an offer that is near to their offer, I stopped the conversation for around 1/2 months, insisted again and contacted them and purposed to lower the price to 2 BTC supposingly the max I can do ! but unfortunately it was overestimated and my attempt failed again.

Also posted it here on namepros:
https://www.namepros.com/threads/binance-exchange.1175263/

After that, many users from namepros, and other plateforms saying that I will never succeed to sell it and that I will have legal problems since the tradmark is already deposited etc. You can check my thread on namepros from here:
https://www.namepros.com/threads/re...onth-after-they-launch-their-service.1187818/

@Abdullah Abdullah suggested me to set the price at around: 3k$ (Apprtoximately the same amount they will spend if they decide to take legal actions ... so since this will take from their time, there is a chance they get it for the same price without too much troubles).

But since I rejected the first offer, I was convinced that this is an opportunity for me and have to follow on my idea until the end even knowing that all the doors are closed, and all I will lose is: 50$, and will win a solid experience even in the case I fail on this (Atleast, I learn something new). I also had a motto for this domain name: Hodling Binance.Exchange is Just like hodling BTC !

I decided to review my price and taking sometime to find the right one for it, so I checked namebio and listed all .exchange domain name that were sold in the past:

Code:
open.exchange    13,890 USD    2020-01-11    NamePull.com
global.exchange    345 USD    2019-10-07    NamePull.com
smart.exchange    108 USD    2019-10-07    NamePull.com
go.exchange    30,000 USD    2018-05-14    Sedo
protrade.exchange    2,300 USD    2018-04-20    Sedo
monero.exchange    450 USD    2017-12-16    Sedo
btc.exchange    12,500 USD    2017-11-12    Pvt Sale
coins.exchange    5,000 USD    2017-10-08    GoDaddy
coin.exchange    5,000 USD    2017-08-13    Afternic

BTC.exchange is sold 12500$ which is a general nich, easy to remember, known keyword (Bitcoin, BTC) 100x better than mine etc. and me asking 50000$ for binance.exchange, I decided to lower it to 12000$ as final price and taken BTC.Exchange as reference.

Then notified them about this change and asked them to not go behind this deal and that it was my last email from me.

After 1 month, I recieved an offer at 9000$ ... and told to the Afternic agent that it was a reasonable offer and I am ready to accept it.

But no continuation from the buyer.

2 weeks after, someone paid the BIN price (12000$) and it was the right end user finally !

Last day the transaction was completed, and today Afternic paid me ... I salute their professionalism.

I don't know if it was Binance but two things are sure, the keys here: Persistence, Patience ! And choosing the right estimation of your domain name is important.

Hope you will get some benefits from this experience and wish you all a great sales for your domain names, thanks for taking time to read it !
 
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You didn't use the domain name as a Binance affiliate.. You didn't buy the domain name to help Binance.. You bought the domain name in bad faith with the intent of profiting from the famous Binance trademark.
I bought it to profits from traders, just like you buy domain names to profits from new startups that need the name you taken before them ?!

You can't hide the sun with your hand.
 
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Mate, you bought a domain that is the exact match of an established brand with the sole intention of selling it to them.

You did not try and sell it to traders, affiliates or any other 3rd party, stop with the BS and own it.....
 
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Mate, you bought a domain that is the exact match of an established brand with the sole intention of selling it to them.

You did not try and sell it to traders, affiliates or any other 3rd party, stop with the BS and own it.....

Before I buy the domain name, my intention is to sell it to traders ... contacted Binance without answer ... then posted it on their reddit page for traders ?!

Anyway, it don't matter if my intention is to sell it for binance or for google ... when you buy a domain name, do I have to know your intentions ? if you did that just for fun, cybersquatting, or for a gift ? First come first served ... this is it ! I tried many attempts from contacting binance to traders on twitter, and many more things.

I have no regrets my self about this sale, I know what it being ... so you can say anything you want ... I also given proofs and examples of others using sames kind of domain names for their services without any problem.

If you check web archive, you will find that I used it to redirect to my affiliate link by the way ;)

So you, stop to judge people before reading and taking time to understand things, I don't want to disrespect anyone here, I know you have more knowledge in what you are doing ... but domaining is a vast ocean just like science ... you can't know everything :) and you all know better than me.

Don't you think if Binance had the intention to acquire it using legal action they would prefer to pay 12000$ for it instead of 3000$/4000$ by legal way ? Do you think they will thing twice about this ? They get millions dollars everyday just from trading fees or even from withdrawals only, they would prefer to take legal actions than to buy it from a squatter like me (like you are supposing it).

Also, if the domain name is a trademark ... even if you buy it to help them and increase their revenues they will not accept, they will prefer to save it for their self instead of letting a stranger taking control of it.
 
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Binance is not a generic word like finance or trading or cryptocurrency. IMO this was blatant trademark infringement and there are cases where the trademark holder chose to make an example of the infringing party by basically forcing them to drop all their domains and leaving the domainer bankrupt. Yes in cases which can be disputed sometimes the company will pay a fee to save on legal bills. Binance is the largest crypto exchange and they certainly have the resources to protect trademarks. So this case could have gone very diifferently. Domain investing is a speculative activity but buying trademark domains is gambling.
 
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I respect your view point, but if you provide more arguments which will clear this situation will be awesome ! shooting deliberately that I am a squatter without developing this is not cool :) At the current time, I have no regrets to be honest, I am convinced it is not a squatting since I am in a crypto word from a long time and regulary see domains like this used for this case.

Are you an approved affiliate of Binance?

Typically there are approval processes before you are an affiliate, and if you are an affiliate using the domain that is the exact match TM of their brand you may need additional approvals.

You are citing instances of people using links when you don't know what they had to go though to use those links.

Furthermore, even setting a price for a trademark holder to acquire their own exact matching TM domain can be seen as bad faith. (UDRP panelists do not look at anything right of the dot so your claim doesn't even pass part 1 of the UDRP discussion)

You cite a 11MM example of affiliate earnings, yet you sold the domain for $12k. This screams bad faith.

They gave you a charity because of their immense wealth. Easier to pay $12k than to pay $30k+ in legal fees in the event it had to go to a UDRP.
 
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Are you an approved affiliate of Binance?

Typically there are approval processes before you are an affiliate, and if you are an affiliate using the domain that is the exact match TM of their brand you may need additional approvals.

You are citing instances of people using links when you don't know what they had to go though to use those links.

Furthermore, even setting a price for a trademark holder to acquire their own exact matching TM domain can be seen as bad faith. (UDRP panelists do not look at anything right of the dot so your claim doesn't even pass part 1 of the UDRP discussion)

You cite a 11MM example of affiliate earnings, yet you sold the domain for $12k. This screams bad faith.

They gave you a charity because of their immense wealth. Easier to pay $12k than to pay $30k+ in legal fees in the event it had to go to a UDRP.

Yes my account is approved for affiliate program with a special commission rate:

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And I don't think there is additional approval ... all crypto exchange platforms do have this kind of affiliate system but not related to what you are talking about.

Anyway thanks for your comment, I benefited from a preciouses informations reading them.

Also, the trademark Binance do not cover all countries (Especially if you check the link I posted previousely where they took legal actions against a flower company in Australia but without success: binance.com.au now redirecting to binanceflowers.com.au) - Since they registered their trademark before Binance (exchange) in 2018, for them this word is generic since it means in French: “balanced” and “binancé flowers” in French translates as “paired flowers,” according to WIPO.

Source: https://decrypt.co/33121/binance-loses-domain-name-dispute-to-australian-florist

Thank you again !
 
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I also got offer for urea n i rejected for more
 
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Hi everyone, hope u are doing well !

I want to talk about my first experience on selling a domain name for 5 figures (I am a beginner specialised on crypto domain name - I have a rich experience in the crypto world but not domaining, still learning everyday).

The domain name is: Binance.Exchange, it is sold for 12000$ and recieved net payment of 9950$ (deducing afternic fees)

UFiigWV.png


I spotted the domain name on NameSilo Marketplace (BTW I buy all of them there since they have cheap prices for hand regged and support all major extensions), I found it on the expired auctions list, I didn't thought that I had a chance to acquire it since many of the domain name I bid on on the marketplace were not successful, since the owner renew it at the last moment (Sometimes even in the last 5 minutes !).

But for this one, it was successful ... someone already made a bid on it (1$) and you will find all the interesting domains have that 1$ bid (perhaps a big company or experienced domainer), the first challange is to win that expired auction, especially that whois datas indicate the registered date = 2017 (I know well Binance and trade frequently on their plateform and was from the first users that registered to their service, I assisted to their launching, the registered date add a great argument to the negociations while selling it) ! luckily the MAX BUY price was 50$, so I paid that amount 2 days before the expiration (For me, waiting to the last minutes was not necessary as per my own experience ... and it will add unecessary risk that someone pay for it before I do), I remember that when I was ready to pay, I stopped for one moment in order to think if it was the right thing to do, and if it was not pereferable to invest on handregged domain name (This will add more chance of selling and more oppotunities), I choosen to continue on the same path.

After 2 days, I won the domain name and it got transferred to my account on NameSilo.

As soon as it was recieved, I made some searchs on how to contact the right person on Binance and to make a plan with solid arguments to convince them to buy it !

I contacted them from the support page, tried different names @binance.com throught email but no success.

My last and successful try was to make a post on their official reddit and suggest to people to make an offer for the domain name since it was great for trader to redirect traffic on it to their affiliate links !

After 1 day, the post was deleted and one of the moderators contacted me about the domain name and offered me 3000$ for it, I rejected the offer and sent a counter offer at 5 BTC (Around 46500$ at the writing time)!

I spent around 1 week dealing with them without any way out that feet the both party, they stuck to 3k$ or maximum an offer that is near to their offer, I stopped the conversation for around 1/2 months, insisted again and contacted them and purposed to lower the price to 2 BTC supposingly the max I can do ! but unfortunately it was overestimated and my attempt failed again.

Also posted it here on namepros:
https://www.namepros.com/threads/binance-exchange.1175263/

After that, many users from namepros, and other plateforms saying that I will never succeed to sell it and that I will have legal problems since the tradmark is already deposited etc. You can check my thread on namepros from here:
https://www.namepros.com/threads/re...onth-after-they-launch-their-service.1187818/

@Abdullah Abdullah suggested me to set the price at around: 3k$ (Apprtoximately the same amount they will spend if they decide to take legal actions ... so since this will take from their time, there is a chance they get it for the same price without too much troubles).

But since I rejected the first offer, I was convinced that this is an opportunity for me and have to follow on my idea until the end even knowing that all the doors are closed, and all I will lose is: 50$, and will win a solid experience even in the case I fail on this (Atleast, I learn something new). I also had a motto for this domain name: Hodling Binance.Exchange is Just like hodling BTC !

I decided to review my price and taking sometime to find the right one for it, so I checked namebio and listed all .exchange domain name that were sold in the past:

Code:
open.exchange    13,890 USD    2020-01-11    NamePull.com
global.exchange    345 USD    2019-10-07    NamePull.com
smart.exchange    108 USD    2019-10-07    NamePull.com
go.exchange    30,000 USD    2018-05-14    Sedo
protrade.exchange    2,300 USD    2018-04-20    Sedo
monero.exchange    450 USD    2017-12-16    Sedo
btc.exchange    12,500 USD    2017-11-12    Pvt Sale
coins.exchange    5,000 USD    2017-10-08    GoDaddy
coin.exchange    5,000 USD    2017-08-13    Afternic

BTC.exchange is sold 12500$ which is a general nich, easy to remember, known keyword (Bitcoin, BTC) 100x better than mine etc. and me asking 50000$ for binance.exchange, I decided to lower it to 12000$ as final price and taken BTC.Exchange as reference.

Then notified them about this change and asked them to not go behind this deal and that it was my last email from me.

After 1 month, I recieved an offer at 9000$ ... and told to the Afternic agent that it was a reasonable offer and I am ready to accept it.

But no continuation from the buyer.

2 weeks after, someone paid the BIN price (12000$) and it was the right end user finally !

Last day the transaction was completed, and today Afternic paid me ... I salute their professionalism.

I don't know if it was Binance but two things are sure, the keys here: Persistence, Patience ! And choosing the right estimation of your domain name is important.

Hope you will get some benefits from this experience and wish you all a great sales for your domain names, thanks for taking time to read it !

Well you made it sound as if I encouraged you to go along with this , even though I never did because TM names can never be good. Also, I asked you to listen people like @jberryhill and @bmugford who gave you valuable advice in that thread.https://www.namepros.com/threads/re...ey-launch-their-service.1187818/#post-7746854


Well this worked for you then after you dismissed almost all the advice from everyone on that thread. You did not even tell us the low offer. I was not expecting it to be 3000 because for such name in TM, that is not low offer, that is take money and run and dont try again. Here is what I said

" How much did you offer the domain to? You already knew what you were doing with the name being TM. I dont believe they are not aware they dispute and if you are smart you would have offered the name for the legal fees only. With that said, always stay away from TM names."
https://www.namepros.com/threads/re...ey-launch-their-service.1187818/#post-7746820

I also gave you how it can cost them more than the initial 1500 to launch a dispute and gave you some links. https://www.namepros.com/threads/re...ey-launch-their-service.1187818/#post-7746844 and https://www.namepros.com/threads/re...ey-launch-their-service.1187818/#post-7746850

And after I found out the name by myself, I said this to you " You are welcome, just let me tell you this, looking at the names, and basically finding out the name you are talking about, I would say they can take it off from you anytime even though there is no need for them at the moment since they are holding the more important extension."

here https://www.namepros.com/threads/re...ey-launch-their-service.1187818/#post-7746854.


So with all that, you ignored and tried your luck and it worked for you. Good for you but like I said before, stay away from this. There are many other names that can make you money. While not 5 figures, the profits add up and you stay in the green.

Now spend that money on something better that is TM free:)
 
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Well you made it sound as if I encouraged you to go along with this , even though I never did because TM names can never be good. Also, I asked you to listen people like @jberryhill and @bmugford who gave you valuable advice in that thread.https://www.namepros.com/threads/re...ey-launch-their-service.1187818/#post-7746854


Well this worked for you then after you dismissed almost all the advice from everyone on that thread. You did not even tell us the low offer. I was not expecting it to be 3000 because for such name in TM, that is not low offer, that is take money and run and dont try again. Here is what I said

" How much did you offer the domain to? You already knew what you were doing with the name being TM. I dont believe they are not aware they dispute and if you are smart you would have offered the name for the legal fees only. With that said, always stay away from TM names."
https://www.namepros.com/threads/re...ey-launch-their-service.1187818/#post-7746820

I also gave you how it can cost them more than the initial 1500 to launch a dispute and gave you some links. https://www.namepros.com/threads/re...ey-launch-their-service.1187818/#post-7746844 and https://www.namepros.com/threads/re...ey-launch-their-service.1187818/#post-7746850

And after I found out the name by myself, I said this to you " You are welcome, just let me tell you this, looking at the names, and basically finding out the name you are talking about, I would say they can take it off from you anytime even though there is no need for them at the moment since they are holding the more important extension."

here https://www.namepros.com/threads/re...ey-launch-their-service.1187818/#post-7746854.


So with all that, you ignored and tried your luck and it worked for you. Good for you but like I said before, stay away from this. There are many other names that can make you money. While not 5 figures, the profits add up and you stay in the green.

Now spend that money on something better that is TM free:)

You are right.

Notice that I found your advices valuables, it was just the conditions at that moment that let me following the plan.

Thanks again for your answer and that I had no bad intentions by sharing the thread link, it was only a reference to prove how much time and efforts I spent on this domain name. :)
 
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You didn't use the domain name as a Binance affiliate.. You didn't buy the domain name to help Binance.. You bought the domain name in bad faith with the intent of profiting from the famous Binance trademark.
Have to agree with this. Just because Binance operates in an industry considered by some to be a "grey area", doesn't mean their rights to intellectual property are any different from the Apple's or Coca-Cola's of the World. This should definitely not be celebrated, condoned or promoted.
 
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Have to agree with this. Just because Binance operates in an industry considered by some to be a "grey area", doesn't mean their rights to intellectual property are any different from the Apple's or Coca-Cola's of the World. This should definitely not be celebrated, condoned or promoted.

This is in any case a celebration, if moderators judge this thread disrespect any rule, they are free to remove it. I just shared my experience nothing else, even that I am not comfortable with such exposure. If it was another domain name I had did the same.

I will abstain next time.
 
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The one thing I have learned from this thread that I will never share a sale if the domain is TM, Because there will be alot of hate and Jealous from some of the domainers.
 
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Wow! calm down bro, you just tagged all namepros staff , I bet that if FBI and WIPO have an account on np u will tagged them too :ROFL:

it's better to give an advice to your fellow domainer without the need to make him in trouble..

LMAO I was surprised as well, I almost took my legs and run away without knowing the direction.

Joking aside, I was ready for this kind of interventions ... but many misinterpreted the goal of this post and the intention behind it ... Meanwhile I respect opinion of each of them, but like you said, I preferred a developped answer in a form of advices other than writing 2 words without any arguments.

Thank you
 
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congrats! I like the way they branded binance - I think originating from Finance.
 
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Wow! calm down bro, you just tagged all namepros staff , I bet that if FBI and WIPO have an account on np u will tagged them too :ROFL:

it's better to give an advice to your fellow domainer without the need to make him in trouble..

It's not about causing trouble for OP. It's about keeping this forum clean from obvious cybersquatting and the 'celebration' of sales that derive from it.

Namepros wants to be/is a professional forum. Sales like this should be called out for what they are. We don't want to leave the impression to less experienced domainers that this is a good business ethic and it's a fine example of a strategy that could have gone terribly wrong. It's about giving a F.

That aside. Congrats on the sale.
 
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Even people on the biggest bitcoin forum told you that it was cybersquatting when you tried to put it up for auction there. The reality is Binance did not feel the need to deploy resources towards a UDRP. You are extremely lucky to have come away with a sale from such antics. Most if not all experienced investors would have told you to stay well clear from registering a TM'd domain. It worked this time, but if you think you'll be able to replicate this strategy into more sales....you better get a good lawyer.


With that said, I hope you learn from this. Don't ignore what people are telling you because although you may see it as negative they are giving you the harsh reality of the business. You may have gained monetarily by doing what you did but imho it's made me question your business ethics.

Good luck!
 
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Even people on the biggest bitcoin forum told you that it was cybersquatting when you tried to put it up for auction there. The reality is Binance did not feel the need to deploy resources towards a UDRP. You are extremely lucky to have come away with a sale from such antics. Most if not all experienced investors would have told you to stay well clear from registering a TM'd domain. It worked this time, but if you think you'll be able to replicate this strategy into more sales....you better get a good lawyer.


With that said, I hope you learn from this. Don't ignore what people are telling you because although you may see it as negative they are giving you the harsh reality of the business. You may have gained monetarily by doing what you did but imho it's made me question your business ethics.

Good luck!
I don't see negativally what people said, I thank any one that gave an advice on this thread and their their view point.
 
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I don't see negativally what people said, I thank any one that gave an advice on this thread and their their view point.

Good, hopefully you take it to heart and learn from the experience.
 
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Congratulations on the sale @TheBuyerz, I am sure its one of your lucky days.
 
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Even people on the biggest bitcoin forum told you that it was cybersquatting when you tried to put it up for auction there. The reality is Binance did not feel the need to deploy resources towards a UDRP.

Binance have lost domain dispute on the past

https://decrypt.co/33121/binance-loses-domain-name-dispute-to-australian-florist
https://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/search/text.jsp?case=DAU2020-0009

one more thing, binance is not the buyer of the domain name binance.exchange,here is how you check if a domain name is belong to Binance, https://www.binance.com/en/official-verification put the domain here if you get the following message: 'Non-Official Channel' , then the domain doesn't belong to them.


the current buyer is the one in trouble now lol.
 
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Congratulations on the sale @TheBuyerz, I am sure its one of your lucky days.

Thank you sir !

Sure it is ! I appreciate your message again!

Binance have lost domain dispute on the past

https://decrypt.co/33121/binance-loses-domain-name-dispute-to-australian-florist
https://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/search/text.jsp?case=DAU2020-0009

one more thing, binance is not the buyer of the domain name binance.exchange,here is how you check if a domain name is belong to Binance, https://www.binance.com/en/official-verification put the domain here if you get the following message: 'Non-Official Channel' , then the domain doesn't belong to them.


the current buyer is the one in trouble now lol.

This is interesting sir ! It is a clever appraoche to know if it was them who purchased it !

Hope the domain name will be in a good use.

I don't have to justify each time but I think there is many lessons to extract from this thread especially that domaining is not only buy and wait game, but a job like others that involve efforts, strategies, marketing etc... to find an end user, there is domain names that attract the buyer but others that is require you to find it yourself.

Thanks all again !
 
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You had a 5% chance of it being sold, and 95% of being sued.

You got lucky that you sold it and now you think this is rinse and repeat.

You'll be wiped out of this market if you don't take the sound advice you are getting in this forum.
 
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You had a 5% chance of it being sold, and 95% of being sued.

You got lucky that you sold it and now you think this is rinse and repeat.

You'll be wiped out of this market if you don't take the sound advice you are getting in this forum.

I think it is a rinse and repeat ! Wow ! How do you know what I think or not?!

If you talk about the other domain names (.exchange) on my website, they all been registered on the same date ... so your comment don't have her place here. (Check whois for that).

And more importantly, do not have prejudices without doing your research next time.
 
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