The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[mr-x]

An unfortunate reaction from the media: Trump blames the Democrats for kids dying and there is universalmedia outrage because he is the President doing it. But Democrats have been blaming the GOP for people dying for years.

https://twitter.com/EWErickson/status/1079409999112228865

Mr Ericson on topic and sharp as ever. Perl clutching liberals / media need to look in the mirror.

"The press has ceded the role of arbiters of fairness and good taste because they've shown just how much of a double standard they have in these fights."

 

[GILSAN]

Sanctuary cities/ states should be defunded from Federal grants and funds. Complete isolation for violating Federal laws. Employers should be sanctioned heavily.

That is the extreme but so is the “position”.

Chucky and the Bride of Chucky should have never boxed themselves into a corner and taken up such an entrenched positions which politically are extreme.

Here's a city that should be defunded, but first they should arrest their mayor first...

'I DID THE RIGHT THING': OAKLAND MAYOR LIBBY SCHAAF DEFENDS TIPPING OFF IMMIGRANTS AHEAD OF ICE RAID
A mayor who warned Northern California residents about an imminent Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) raid said she did not regret her action.

In February, Oakland Mayor Libby Schaaf was twice tipped off about an impending ICE raid and organized a meeting with immigrant advocates and religious leaders to warn the public about the operation.

She posted a warning on Twitter claiming the immigration agency was “preparing to conduct an operation in the Bay Area, including Oakland.”

https://www.newsweek.com/i-did-righ...haaf-defends-tipping-immigrants-ahead-1273968

 

[GILSAN]

 

[GILSAN]

Interesting headline... I suppose there must be a legal way to kill cops!

 

[johname]

Opps, better move the march to the barrio

https://slate.com/news-and-politics...er-fear-it-would-be-overwhelmingly-white.html

 

[offthehandle]

In February, Oakland Mayor Libby Schaaf was twice tipped off about an impending ICE raid and organized a meeting with immigrant advocates and religious leaders to warn the public about the operation.

Talk about liberals flinging around this word "Treasonous", that's a good example of such behavior.

Putting ICE agents in imminent harm and danger.

SB54 otherwise known as "California Values Act" or the Sanctuary State Law was opposed by many cities south of Oakland about 450 miles in Orange County. The ACLU has been active is suing those who exempt themselves from it- like this example.

"The ordinance exempts the town from SB-54, in essence giving its police authority to ignore the state law.

Two days after taking that step, the city was sued.

To date, the suit has led Los Alamitos to spend $105,000 on its legal defense. That’s chump change for a bigger city, but not trivial in an 11,600-resident town with an annual budget of approximately $17 million. And it’s a talking point for residents who are frustrated that a law that some stridently oppose is generating any legal bills at all."
https://www.ocregister.com/2018/11/02/los-alamitos-struggles-revels-in-role-as-anti-sanctuary-town/

 

[offthehandle]

What I fail to understand is how anyone Dem or Repub could not be toally against exploiting illegals with dangerous work and low pay, this industry has been watched for years like this example. I imagine the US Taxpayer has to pay to house, clothe and support this unfortunate guy who was permanently injured. It's horrible exploiting people like this and it isn't a partisan issue.

"A Guatemalan immigrant, Osiel was just weeks past his seventeenth birthday, too young by law to work in a factory. A year earlier, after gang members shot his mother and tried to kidnap his sisters, he left his home, in the mountainous village of Tectitán, and sought asylum in the United States. He got the job at Case Farms with a driver’s license that said his name was Francisco Sepulveda, age twenty-eight. The photograph on the I.D. was of his older brother, who looked nothing like him, but nobody asked any questions.

Osiel sanitized the liver-giblet chiller, a tublike contraption that cools chicken innards by cycling them through a near-freezing bath, then looked for a ladder, so that he could turn off the water valve above the machine. As usual, he said, there weren’t enough ladders to go around, so he did as a supervisor had shown him: he climbed up the machine, onto the edge of the tank, and reached for the valve. His foot slipped; the machine automatically kicked on. Its paddles grabbed his left leg, pulling and twisting until it snapped at the knee and rotating it a hundred and eighty degrees, so that his toes rested on his pelvis. The machine “literally ripped off his left leg,” medical reports said, leaving it hanging by a frayed ligament and a five-inch flap of skin. Osiel was rushed to Mercy Medical Center, where surgeons amputated his lower leg."

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/05/08/exploitation-and-abuse-at-the-chicken-plant

Upton Sinclair wrote a book called "The Jungle" about the Chicago meat packing plants and later unions were organized to protect legal immigrant workers way back in time.

 

[enlytend]

Employees who endanger ANY employees by deliberately ignoring safety procedures should be prosecuted and pay a steep price for it. There’s no excuse for not taking proper safety precautions and saving a few dollars in production isn’t worth someone’s life or limbs.

As for the pay, if illegal immigrants will work for that rate...If someone’s here illegally, there’s no obligation as far as pay rates, nor should there be.

Paying a liveable wage to every worker in the country would be ideal. Nobody should have to work multiple full time jobs and still struggle to keep up. (I don’t know how the average cost of living for illegals compares, since many are living with relatives. They can’t buy insurance through ACA, so they may have no insurance premium costs, for example.)

However the bigger the percentage of increase needed to achieve that, the more prices in that sector will go up.

I’ve heard many on this thread object to union demands for working conditions and wages, and minimum wage increases for US citizens, so...There’s obviously a lot to be worked out before bringing illegals into the conversation.

 

[mr-x]

Opps, better move the march to the barrio

https://slate.com/news-and-politics...er-fear-it-would-be-overwhelmingly-white.html

That's a great headline but in reality, there never was going to be a march. Eureka is a rich coastal town. No one cares about BLM or aggrieved communist.

Unhappy NAACP member from Stockton: Hey, let have a Woman's march in Eureka.

Eureka: LOL, no.

Slate: March is cancelled because of white people.

Internet people: Click, click, click, click.

Slate: LOL. $$$

 

[mr-x]

Employees who endanger ANY employees by deliberately ignoring safety procedures should be prosecuted and pay a steep price for it. There’s no excuse for not taking proper safety precautions and saving a few dollars in production isn’t worth someone’s life or limbs.

As for the pay, if illegal immigrants will work for that rate...If someone’s here illegally, there’s no obligation as far as pay rates, nor should there be.

This is what causes wage suppression .

Paying a liveable wage to every worker in the country would be ideal. Nobody should have to work multiple full time jobs and still struggle to keep up.

Who do you know works multiple part time jobs since Obama left office?

(I don’t know how the average cost of living for illegals compares, since many are living with relatives. They can’t buy insurance through ACA, so they may have no insurance premium costs, for example.)

However the bigger the percentage of increase needed to achieve that, the more prices in that sector will go up.

I’ve heard many on this thread object to union demands for working conditions and wages, and minimum wage increases for US citizens, so...There’s obviously a lot to be worked out before bringing illegals into the conversation.

Not every job is worth a "living wage", i.e. stock boy in a neighborhood store, kid cleaning the parking lot, etc.

Burger-flipping robot debuts at restaurant
https://www.cnn.com/videos/cnnmoney/2018/03/06/flippy-burger-grilling-robot-fast-food-orig.cnn

 

[mr-x]

Lindsey Graham: "'The wall' has become a metaphor for border security. ... What we're talking about is a physical barrier where it makes sense."

— Aaron Blake (@AaronBlake) December 30, 2018

 

[GILSAN]

To All....

 

[johname]

The twitter dropping MA snafu was proof she was running, so might as well announce now lol

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/31/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-2020-president-announcement.html

 

[Kate]

The wall is an illustration of what we call the security theater. It's a big waste of money designed to impress the gullible voters, and perhaps benefit a few private corporations.
It is estimated that the majority of illegal immigrants are in fact people overstaying visas. Those people can't be tracked or located easily once they are on US soil. They could stay under the radar forever, until their status comes to light as a result of interaction with authorities.

What is clear is that 45 is deficit-bent, even more than his predecessors, and he loves to spend money you don't have. I can't blame anybody for balking at the wasteful spending. It's not really about the wall, but the flawed arguments underpinning that pet project.

 

[mr-x]

This town is proof that Trump’s wall can work
https://nypost.com/2018/01/13/we-already-have-a-border-wall-and-it-works/


Where the Wall Worked
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/06/25/us-mexico-border-wall-works-tijuana-218835

Liberals will argue the earth is flat if the right person ask the question.

 

[mr-x]

It is estimated that the majority of illegal immigrants are in fact people overstaying visas.

Keyword ESTIMATED.. by the same people who claimed there are only 11 million illegal aliens in the US and they commit less crime than citizens.

How do you make an accurate estimate if you don't know how many illegal aliens are in the country?

Those people can't be tracked or located easily once they are on US soil. They could stay under the radar forever, until their status comes to light as a result of interaction with authorities.

What is clear is that 45 is deficit-bent, even more than his predecessors, and he loves to spend money you don't have. I can't blame anybody for balking at the wasteful spending. It's not really about the wall, but the flawed arguments underpinning that pet project.

Word salad.

 

[Kate]

Keyword ESTIMATED.. by the same people who claimed there are only 11 million illegal aliens in the US and they commit less crime than citizens.

That figure is actually quite close to DHS estimates.

Some official stats are available on overstays: https://www.dhs.gov/publication/fiscal-year-2017-entryexit-overstay-report
Some sources say they make up about 50% of illegal immigration.

The number is definitely significant, no matter which stats you prefer.
That is not surprising at all, since it's easier and safer to enter the country legally and overstay, than cross a fenced (and manned) border unlawfully.
The deal is, while you can have an accurate count of legal entries/exits and overstays, you still can't locate the overstayers to deport them. You can compile statistics though (government is better at producing statistics than solving real issues).
That's why the US Visit system is not only a massive intrusion of privacy but a huge waste of money and resources. Even Americans are deprived of their constitutional rights at the border and subject to arbitrary treatment. If you are American and you don't see what I mean, then you probably don't travel much at all. IRS used to be the most frightening acronym for Americans, but nowadays it is TSA (or CBP).

How do you make an accurate estimate if you don't know how many illegal aliens are in the country?

Let me return the argument: why insist on a hugely expensive wall when you can't even present a rough, reasonable estimate of how many 'illegals' it would stop. Promises of reduced crime, fewer illegals, are blurry at best. I wouldn't sign a $18 Bn check in exchange for vague, uncertain benefits. The burden of proof is on the proponents of the wall, not the opponents or the skeptics.

 

[mr-x]

That figure is actually quite close to DHS estimates.

Some official stats are available on overstays: https://www.dhs.gov/publication/fiscal-year-2017-entryexit-overstay-report
Some sources say they make up about 50% of illegal immigration.

Liberals have been claiming 11 million illegal immigrants for almost a decade. You have to be a retard or a liberal to believe this bullshit.

The number is definitely significant, no matter which stats you prefer.
That is not surprising at all, since it's easier and safer to enter the country legally and overstay, than cross a fenced (and manned) border unlawfully.
The deal is, while you can have an accurate count of legal entries/exits and overstays, you still can't locate the overstayers to deport them. You can compile statistics though (government is better at producing statistics than solving real issues).
That's why the US Visit system is not only a massive intrusion of privacy but a huge waste of money and resources. Even Americans are deprived of their constitutional rights at the border and subject to arbitrary treatment. If you are American and you don't see what I mean, then you probably don't travel much at all. IRS used to be the most frightening acronym for Americans, but nowadays it is TSA (or CBP).

Let me return the argument: why insist on a hugely expensive wall when you can't even present a rough, reasonable estimate of how many 'illegals' it would stop. Promises of reduced crime, fewer illegals, are blurry at best. I wouldn't sign a $18 Bn check in exchange for vague, uncertain benefits. The burden of proof is on the proponents of the wall, not the opponents or the skeptics.

Official estimates are over 1K people a day cross the southern border of the US daily.

Democrats don't want an accurate count because it would expose the real size / cost of the problem. That is why we have to go the the supreme court just to put the question; "are you a citizen" BACK on the census.

 

[mr-x]

Why do liberals protect Illegal immigrants, encourage more illegal immigrants to move the USA? Political power.

1) Seats in the House of Representatives are allotted based on population. Hence the sanctuary poliices.

2) Poor, uneducated people who are told they are being exploited will vote democrat.

It's not an accident the same people lying about how many illegal aliens are in our country, encouraging more immigration; are the same people telling you the Senate and electoral college are obsolete.

 

[JB Lions]

This town is proof that Trump’s wall can work
https://nypost.com/2018/01/13/we-already-have-a-border-wall-and-it-works/

"They hit a low of 9,678 in 2012, before slowly ticking back up to a total of 25,193 last year. But they’re still well below pre-fence levels, and the Border Patrol credits the fortified barrier dividing El Paso from Mexico for the reduction in illegal flows."

Almost tripled last year compared to 2012. People eventually find a way.

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A year of unprecedented deception: Trump averaged 15 false claims a day in 2018
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ims-day/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.88cbcb87a0be

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Went from defeated to mostly gone. Maybe he should start reading those daily intelligence reports?

If anybody but Donald Trump did what I did in Syria, which was an ISIS loaded mess when I became President, they would be a national hero. ISIS is mostly gone, we’re slowly sending our troops back home to be with their families, while at the same time fighting ISIS remnants......

 

[mr-x]

Shorter: Trump likes walls so I don't.

Also: He's a big fat liar and a meany.

P.S. But Rachel is adorbs.

"They hit a low of 9,678 in 2012, before slowly ticking back up to a total of 25,193 last year. But they’re still well below pre-fence levels, and the Border Patrol credits the fortified barrier dividing El Paso from Mexico for the reduction in illegal flows."

Almost tripled last year compared to 2012. People eventually find a way.

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A year of unprecedented deception: Trump averaged 15 false claims a day in 2018
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ims-day/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.88cbcb87a0be

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Went from defeated to mostly gone. Maybe he should start reading those daily intelligence reports?

If anybody but Donald Trump did what I did in Syria, which was an ISIS loaded mess when I became President, they would be a national hero. ISIS is mostly gone, we’re slowly sending our troops back home to be with their families, while at the same time fighting ISIS remnants......

Every retard with an opinion provided by Nancy and Chuck: Walls bad.

Every border patrol agent: Walls good.

 

[JB Lions]

Shorter: Trump likes walls so I don't.

Also: He's a big fat liar and a meany.

P.S. But Rachel is adorbs.




Every retard with an opinion provided by Nancy and Chuck: Walls bad.

Every border patrol agent: Wall good.

Thanks dumbass.

Hopefully 2019 is better for you, when you don't post articles that backfire on you.

 

[JB Lions]

Exclusive: Russian Ex-Spy Pressured Manafort Over Debts to an Oligarch

"In his only interview with the media about those connections, Boyarkin told TIME this fall that he was in touch with Trump’s then-campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, in the heat of the presidential race on behalf of the Russian oligarch. “He owed us a lot of money,” Boyarkin says. “And he was offering ways to pay it back.”

http://time.com/5490169/paul-manafort-victor-boyarkin-debts/

2018 for Trump were just some jabs.

This is the ONE!! Chump is done for this time!

Just 1 of a big pile. 2019, prepare yourself.

 

[mr-x]

Thanks dumbass.

Hopefully 2019 is better for you, when you don't post articles that backfire on you.

 

[mr-x]

This is the ONE!! Chump is done for this time!

Exclusive: Russian Ex-Spy Pressured Manafort Over Debts to an Oligarch

"In his only interview with the media about those connections, Boyarkin told TIME this fall that he was in touch with Trump’s then-campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, in the heat of the presidential race on behalf of the Russian oligarch. “He owed us a lot of money,” Boyarkin says. “And he was offering ways to pay it back.”

http://time.com/5490169/paul-manafort-victor-boyarkin-debts/

2018 for Trump were just some jabs.