Undeveloped.com Experience

[JudgeMind]

Has anyone used undeveloped.com to sell domains? They claim to be able to increase a domainers sales by 54%.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

Yes, we do.

Then please update "Domain name" field to enter a few or xx domains...

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

Next to that, I'm sorry but you're comparing apples with pears. There's no way that a PC landing page + sedo/afternic integration is the same as using Undeveloped.

With Undeveloped I lose all traffic - it can't be monetized.
Using ParkingCrew I can sell and monetize simultaneously.

 

[Joshua Harding]

With Undeveloped I lose all traffic - it can't be monetized.
Using ParkingCrew I can sell and monetize simultaneously.

You may be monetizing, though you're simultaneously forfeiting the sales optimizations of Undeveloped's landing pages. Personally, I'd rather optimize for sales than collect a pittance from parking.

Additionally, they're working on a PPC lander, so you'll soon have the best of both worlds.

Just give it time - they consistently push out high quality updates while maintaining an open dialogue with the community.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

This lander has significance only for BIN-domains.
I prefer the negotiations in 99% of cases.

 

[xynames]

I have 1500 domains listed at Undeveloped since November 2017, and haven't had a single inquiry, so don't feel bad, lol. They have close to zero traffic as far as people going to the site to search for domains for sale. During this same period I have sold MANY domains, elsewhere, such as at Afternic, Sedo, DomainAgents, and via my own landing pages.

When the tide turns and they start getting traffic, I will be the first to stand up and praise.

It's now been pushing a solid year and zero inquiries zero sales via Undeveloped. There is zero traffic there as far as search for domains.

The point of this particular post was in response to this one.

I have two domains listed with @Undeveloped since November 2017 haven't received any offers yet both are priced at the prices Undeveloped recommended.

but, additionally, the point I am making is more relevant after my domains have been listed at Undeveloped for almost a year versus after just a short time, and the Founder himself brought this up:

You also mention you have no offers at Undeveloped (while not using our for sale pages which is key). I'm not surprised since you joined us recently (November 23rd).

in Feb. 2018, when he pointed out that my domains had only been on Undeveloped a few months, well – now they’ve been on there almost year and still, nada.

And again, if I had no inquiries and no sales, period, okay - that would mean something. But when I am getting daily inquiries and offers, and nearly weekly sales on my same domains elsewhere but nothing at Undeveloped, that really tells you something. And the more time that passes with the domains listed at Undeveloped, with no results versus heavy results elsewhere, the more relevant the data becomes.

Bottom line is, sure go ahead and list your domains at Undeveloped, there is no downside, but don't expect anything to come of it unless you use their landing pages, and what this data proves is that any results that derive from using their landing pages stem only from the value of your domain names and people happening to land on your landing pages due to a search of your domain names, not from any search traffic at undeveloped itself, because there is apparently none.

To summarize: you will get the same results as far as traffic with your own landing page versus using a landing page at Undeveloped.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

What you expect from various marketplace listings???
~99% of their users are just another domainers like you...

Almost all endusers are visiting the necessary domain directly...
So it can be sold regardless of platform and even using own page.

Some gain in sales is only possible with AfternicDLS/GoDaddy Auctions (20%) - if you want to show your domains to GoDaddy's customers when they are searching...

 

[xynames]

Not a bit of it!

I’m selling like gangbusters via Afternic/GoDaddy Sedo DomainAgents and I use my own landing pages not theirs.

I also sell well via my own landing pages.

All my prices are full value.

Selling at both, all - but not at Undeveloped.


Your statement implies that nothing sells to end users except via one’s own landing pages. That’s completely untrue at least for my domains.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

I didn't understand anything.

Regarding my own experience...
Regular inquiries via Bodis and ParkingCrew... a few weekly...

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

Were a few inquiries from DomainAgents - but in $200-500 range, just waste of time.
Sedo converts for me only if the domain is parked there - zero results from their MLS.

 

[alex067]

I wonder how legit the traffic stat is? 5 days ago I parked 37 domains and currently received 91 visits to my parked domain

 

[xynames]

If you (1) had your own landing page before, and (2) receive the same or similar traffic once you start using someone else's (such as Undeveloped's) landing page for the same domain, then you may assume the traffic is legitimate. Otherwise, any increase consists of 'bots. Undeveloped has no organic, meaningful traffic to speak of for its site in general, as far as people going there to search for domains.

Because if a sudden increase in traffic for a given landing page newly planted at Undeveloped were legitimate, that would mean that tons of people are scouring the Undeveloped site searching / looking for domains in general, which is not the case, and is gainsaid by the data from my own experience.

 

[golan]

~99% of their users are just another domainers like you...
Almost all endusers are visiting the necessary domain directly...

Can i ask, where did you get these stats? Business buyers would type a name in their registrar search first, rather then in the address bar... Maybe 50/50 at least? That seems reasonable to me.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

Can i ask, where did you get these stats? Business buyers would type a name in their registrar search first, rather then in the address bar... Maybe 50/50 at least? That seems reasonable to me.

I clearly said in my post that ~99% of marketplace users (like Sedo and others) are another domainers.
At least 95% with no doubts.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

Only Flippa differs...
This platform is mainly used by SEO specialists.

Relatively high percentage of SEO buyers is also on GoDaddy.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

Business buyers would type a name in their registrar search first, rather then in the address bar... Maybe 50/50 at least? That seems reasonable to me.

Then why zero effect from SedoMLS???
But stable and regular inquiries via Contact form.

 

[xynames]

Besides my own experience, just looking at namebio’s daily market report it’s obvious that end users are making many purchases at Sedo and GoDaddy.

A lot of end users simply feel more comfortable buying through a place like GoDaddy or Afternic. I’ve had inquiries via my landing page where the exact same inquirer then turns around and buys my domain for the same price I quoted, via Afternic. I am able to verify this after the sale is closed and the new website comes up.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

Yes, if the domains are parked at Sedo - no any problems to sell them to the incoming (address bar) buyers.
+ Sedo escrow transactions (3% / min. $60) are also reported in Sedo feed (if no changes).

 

[DAN.COM]

If you (1) had your own landing page before, and (2) receive the same or similar traffic once you start using someone else's (such as Undeveloped's) landing page for the same domain, then you may assume the traffic is legitimate. Otherwise, any increase consists of 'bots. Undeveloped has no organic, meaningful traffic to speak of for its site in general, as far as people going there to search for domains.

Because if a sudden increase in traffic for a given landing page newly planted at Undeveloped were legitimate, that would mean that tons of people are scouring the Undeveloped site searching / looking for domains in general, which is not the case, and is gainsaid by the data from my own experience.

You say:
"Undeveloped has no organic, meaningful traffic to speak of for its site in general, as far as people going there to search for domains."

And the above you based on "by the data from my own experience"?

Nice one . For your sake, I hope you don't base all your business decisions on that data.

Here's the real data from the actual source:

1: All parked domains brought in nearly 3,000,000 unique visitors last month

2: Undeveloped's homepage attracted 629,000 unique visitors (30% increase compared to the month before).

3: 17% of the sales in July (compared to 2% last year July) were not initiated by a buyer that landed directly on one of our for sale pages. This number is increasing as the marketplace is growing and evolving.

4: Total sale volume increased by 40% compared to last month as we hit a record marketplace revenue of +$1M in July alone, for the first time in the history of the company.

 

[alex067]

I hope you guys keep it up, I love the layout of your landing page and it's what attracted me to park my domains with you guys.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

A lot of end users simply feel more comfortable buying through a place like GoDaddy or Afternic.

Yes, their share is significant.
But I don't prefer to gift 20%.

 

[xynames]

Yes, if the domains are parked at Sedo - no any problems to sell them to the incoming (address bar) buyers.
+ Sedo escrow transactions (3% / min. $60) are also reported in Sedo feed (if no changes).

I do not use Sedo landing pages or anyone else's landing pages (only my own, directed via a PPC parking page) and I sell at Afternic, Sedo, DomainAgents, GoDaddy, regularly, to end users.

I don't think there is any basis to your statement that "no end users are buying at Sedo" - I mean, what is the source for your statement? Looking at namebio, the sales quoted from Sedo are obviously end users. Also, every domain I have sold at Sedo has been at a top price and obviously to an end user.

As far as giving a commission away, not a problem if the net to me is good, and especially not a problem versus not selling at all.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

Source: Sedo observation over decade... including own domains.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

Why so little share of successful auctions on Sedo (reserve met) - if endusers exist there???
And why almost always 0 or 1 bidder???
Just think about this...

 

[xynames]

1: All parked domains brought in nearly 3,000,000 unique visitors last month

2: Undeveloped's homepage attracted 629,000 unique visitors (30% increase compared to the month before).

(1) The first traffic claim is irrelevant, and supports my claim that no one is searching for domains at Undeveloped, rather - merely landing on the URL for the domain after search for that word in cyberspace (not following any kind of domain search at Undeveloped).

(2) So why aren't they buying anything?
There is still not even one person in the entire world who is not using your landing pages, to come on here and state that he sold a domain at Undeveloped. lol That alone gainsays the significance of your traffic claims. Assuming it's not 'bots, your traffic is in any case not people searching for domains.

I posted this a while back:

<<Has ANYONE on the earth who has domains listed at Undeveloped (but NOT using its landing pages), sold a single domain?>>

and no one answered in the affirmative.

 

[alex067]

What are you talking about? Head on over to the name sales thread here and there are plenty of reported domains sold via inbound on undeveloped