debate Are you in the "com" business?....Or

[ThatNameGuy]

Are you in the the loan, consulting, golf, online, banking, credit, fitness, tattoo, pizza, travel, limo, restaurant, home, boat, diamond, jewelry .Business?

What I find hard to believe is the debate rages on between the "old time" dot commers, and the neuvo domainers. I've been in the domain business for less than a year, but I understand business, and the psychology of business owners far better than than domainers who have been in this industry for 20 years.

Maybe it's because I've been in the credit.business, broker.business the consulting.business, the healthcare.business, the rental.business, the realty.business the golf.business and now the domain.business that I get it

Sure, about 20% of my 1,800 domains are .com's, but many of them compliment my new nTLD's wherever possible. Much to the chagrin of "old time" dot commers, new domain extensions are here to stay as long as I make it my.Business

 

[ThatNameGuy]

You dont take them seriously, yet you point to it as a reason to renew. Also in your first post you say you have only been domaining about a year but later brag "I've only worked in and around this industry for most of my life, but what do I know?". Kinda all over the place in your posts.

Unless you post a couple of verifiable .business sales its hard to believe you are making much money with this tld.

NYJumbo...a lot goes over your head, doesn't it? I don't own a single .business domain, but I did use the .business extension to share with you and others the kinds of businesses I've started, named, bought, sold over the last 50 years....only in America If you don't believe I've been in the financial/credit services industry, the healthcare services industry, the investigations industry, the realestate/rental industry, the tax industry with a company I started in 1987 and is still in business today, or more recently the golf and domain industries, you just don't know me Now if you would care to get to know me, lets talk Somehow I don't think you care for fear of being proven wrong...am I right

 

[NYJimbo]

NYJumbo...a lot goes over your head, doesn't it? I don't own a single .business domain, but I did use the .business extension to share with you and others the kinds of businesses I've started, named, bought, sold over the last 50 years....only in America If you don't believe I've been in the financial/credit services industry, the healthcare services industry, the investigations industry, the realestate/rental industry, the tax industry with a company I started in 1987 and is still in business today, or more recently the golf and domain industries, you just don't know me Now if you would care to get to know me, lets talk Somehow I don't think you care for fear of being proven wrong...am I right

You post no facts, just a lot of bragging. I think getting to know you would be wasting my time. Have a nice day.

 

[MapleDots]

I have recently had a contact from LLLL.associates who want to buy my LLLL.ca (country code) domain name.

Reason.... [email protected] and website LLLL.associates are losing traffic because people do not understand the domains.

The company that contacted me has the actual name with associates in it as in LLLL Associates and they still cannot make LLLL.associates work.

The company is new and progressive and they have been trying to make it work for a while but they have thrown in the towel and offered to buy my domain.

Personally I am not knocking the new extensions but this is a fairly reputable company and they have given up on .associates

[ Note: I substituted the letters LLLL for the actual letters of the company. ]

 

[ThatNameGuy]

I have recently had a contact from LLLL.associates who want to by my LLLL.ca (country code) domain name.

Reason.... [email protected] and website LLLL.associates are losing traffic because people do not understand the domains.

The company that contacted me has the actual name with associates in it as in LLLL Associates and they still cannot make LLLL.associates work.

The company is new and progressive and they have been trying to make it work for a while but they have thrown in the towel and offered to by my domain.

Personally I am not knocking the new extensions but this is a fairly reputable company and they have given up on .associates

[ Note: I substituted the letters LLLL for the actual letters of the company. ]

Good for you MapleDots...i assume the company is in Canada, and LLLL.ca sure is a lot simpler and cleaner than LLLL.associaes. Donuts is the registry, and maybe something like LLLL.ltd would have worked? Glad you made the sale

 

[MapleDots]

They are an accounting firm and apparently are continuously losing emails. Seems the end clients just cannot wrap their heads around [email protected]

And that is they biggest issue here, it's not the domains themselves but the public education or lack of education when it comes to them. To be quite honest.... even as a domainer I don't know all of them and it's pretty hard to gamble a companies email address on them if the end user does not understand it.

I truly do follow your logic and it should work..... problem is it took decades to engrain .com and all the country codes. It might take a number of years for the general public to catch on.

 

[lambo.com]

are you in the the loan, consulting, golf, online, banking, credit, fitness, tattoo, pizza, travel, limo, restaurant, home, boat, diamond, jewelry .Business?

What I find hard to believe is the debate rages on between the "old time" dot commers, and the neuvo domainers. I've been in the domain business for less than a year, but I understand business, and the psychology of business owners far better than than domainers who have been in this industry for 20 years.

Maybe it's because I've been in the credit.business, broker.business the consulting.business, the healthcare.business, the rental.business, the realty.business the golf.business and now the domain.business that I get it

Sure, about 20% of my 1,800 domains are .com's, but many of them compliment my new nTLD's wherever possible. Much to the chagrin of "old time" dot commers, new domain extensions are here to stay as long as I make it my.Business

Wow, nearly 1500 ngtld's.

Sorry for your loss.

 

[ThatNameGuy]

Wow, nearly 1500 ngtld's.

Sorry for your loss.

Sorry for my loss???, and you call yourself "Marketing Stragegies" Where did you go to school? You should probably start over with SWOT101.edu....I teach the course

 

[lambo.com]

Sorry for my loss???, and you call yourself "Marketing Stragegies" Where did you go to school? You should probably start over with SWOT101.edu....I teach the course

What is the total for your annual renewals and what was your revenue last year from these 'faberge egg' domains?

 

[lambo.com]

What is the total for your annual renewals and what was your revenue last year from these 'faberge egg' domains?

Hope you made out ok, do tell

 

[BrandBoardwalk]

Just a note of thank you to the community, I appreciate all of the responses/insights in this thread as I too debate the future worth of alternative TLDs.

 

[ThatNameGuy]

What is the total for your annual renewals and what was your revenue last year from these 'faberge egg' domains?

Madeline? Richard? Inquiring minds would like to know

 

[lambo.com]

Madeline? Richard? Inquiring minds would like to know

Awww, it hurts? Well, it won't get better.

Faberge eggs can look nice but not many people know or care about them. No real need but sales will happen as beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

 

[DnEbook]

Awww, it hurts? Well, it won't get better.

Faberge eggs can look nice but not many people know or care about them. No real need but sales will happen as beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Hey you found a thread that you haven't disliked ...... good for you!

 

[lambo.com]

Hey you found a thread that you haven't disliked ...... good for you!

Er... Ok

 

[xynames]

I've generated enough income as a result to more than double my cost/expense.

Must be one of those wine from water miracles in that he hasn't sold a single domain yet.

https://www.namepros.com/threads/tr...tion-justify-ntld.1085650/page-2#post-6759824

I've generated enough income as a result to more than double my cost/expense.

Or...what is he really saying? That he has DOUBLED his expenses as a result of spending money on unsold domains?

 

[lambo.com]

<<I've generated enough income as a result to more than double my cost/expense>>

Must be one of those wine from water miracles in that he hasn't sold a single domain yet.

https://www.namepros.com/threads/tr...tion-justify-ntld.1085650/page-2#post-6759824

Thanks for that. Kinda what I thought. I guess we've all been suckers at one point or another.

 

[ThatNameGuy]

Must be one of those wine from water miracles in that he hasn't sold a single domain yet.

https://www.namepros.com/threads/tr...tion-justify-ntld.1085650/page-2#post-6759824



Or...what is he really saying? That he has DOUBLED his expenses as a result of spending money on unsold domains?

xynames...you really should know better. I guess when someone invests 100K into a portfolio that appraises for over 1.5M, and takes ownership of 50 names, it somehow doesn't count? I've been told that a sale of a domain that comes with a piece of the rock is absolute genius. What say you? Do you want a piece of the rock How about one of the two domains that are in development....one a .com and the other a new GTLD whose extension is .Diet. Thanks again for your continued support

 

[garptrader]

Bulloney, there is more money to be made with a business that generates recurring revenue than with a domain portfolio which generates recurring costs. Most domain investors are forced to try to sell domains to end users because they do not have the experience or skill set to turn even their best domains into businesses.

 

[ThatNameGuy]

garptrader...I agree with your assessment 100%.....and btw, that applies to any business I've ever had the pleasure to be in. I've said dozens of times, I'm a business guy first, a marketing guy second and a domainer a distant third. It's not only the business guy in me that has the "experience or skill set" to turn some of my "best domain" into businesses. Can I do it by myself? No, but that's where "partners" have played a huge role in my past business success.

Thanks for your input garptrader...say hi to some of my friends at Mar-a-Largo. Funny, I've played golf at St. Andrews, but never at Trumps place. And when he signed/autographed his book, "The Art of the Comeback" to me and my wife back in 1998, he even shared and circled his handicap as being "4". I wonder if any domainers here might like to buy it? Maybe I'll take it to the Namescon next year and let my new friends bid on it

 

[Domains Ted]

are you in the the loan, consulting, golf, online, banking, credit, fitness, tattoo, pizza, travel, limo, restaurant, home, boat, diamond, jewelry .Business?

What I find hard to believe is the debate rages on between the "old time" dot commers, and the neuvo domainers. I've been in the domain business for less than a year, but I understand business, and the psychology of business owners far better than than domainers who have been in this industry for 20 years.

Maybe it's because I've been in the credit.business, broker.business the consulting.business, the healthcare.business, the rental.business, the realty.business the golf.business and now the domain.business that I get it

Sure, about 20% of my 1,800 domains are .com's, but many of them compliment my new nTLD's wherever possible. Much to the chagrin of "old time" dot commers, new domain extensions are here to stay as long as I make it my.Business

I'm very much impressed with your experience and strategy..

What is your advise for a normal domain invester ( not a big fish like you ) who can't afford to renew their 100 new gtld domains with a minimum renewal cost of $69 each..

 

[ThatNameGuy]

I'm very much impressed with your experience and strategy..

What is your advise for a normal domain invester ( not a big fish like you ) who can't afford to renew their 100 new gtld domains with a minimum renewal cost of $69 each..

First...I hope you are a little diversified. From 20 to 25% of my domains are .coms that renew at 8.49 a year. Second, you do realize you don't have to renew any of your new GTLD's if you don't want to. Third, if you don't have a plan to market your domains to whoever you bought them for, you need a plan now. Good Luck!

 

[Ace3coiner]

First...I hope you are a little diversified. From 20 to 25% of my domains are .coms that renew at 8.49 a year. Second, you do realize you don't have to renew any of your new GTLD's if you don't want to. Third, if you don't have a plan to market your domains to whoever you bought them for, you need a plan now. Good Luck!

It sounds you're the 'Plan B' consultant for my small percentage of new GTLD's. I smell an insider connection here. I'm ready to learn a few tips.

 

[smartwebby]

Hi Bulloney,

Maybe you are great with business outside the internet (as disclosed by you) but on the internet there are certain things that play out into the value of domains. All the really great but few NGTLDs are owned/acquired at premium costs but it does not translate to the value of the rest of the domain names in those extensions. That's where the misery lies. Maybe you might have a few nice ones but please don't think your entire portfolio is gold. It's impossible and you have to see it that way if you are serious about domaining. Each of us has had this in variations but this is the same kind of "blind spot" we all start of with, and which if not corrected becomes our undoing in this business. Secondly there are literally millions of successful .COMs and that is the main competition for the NGTLDs, Existing businesses on .COMs that garner the trust factor 99.99% of the time. You have to wrap your head around this fact and we say this as only your concerned friends. No one is getting anything out of this, We all want each other to do well don't we??

Here is one observation I made, in your signature you have a couple of nice .COMs but there is not even one premium (impressive) NGTLD.... I see BeerPong.live and CarWash.Gives. Are these the best that you have?? Usually people put up their best in their signature, or at least the best that they have for sale. Honestly you needn't even reply, just think hard along the lines of what we are all collectively saying.

I can't stop imagining the amount of super premium .COMs you could have owned with all that money

One last note. With all due respect, on a forum of this scale (in front of the many proven industry experts in every facet of the online industry) you need to set your ego aside as I'm sure you have done hundreds of times in the various businesses you have been part of as they succeeded over the years. Wishing you only the best.

- Anita

 

[lambo.com]

xynames...you really should know better. I guess when someone invests 100K into a portfolio that appraises for over 1.5M, and takes ownership of 50 names, it somehow doesn't count? I've been told that a sale of a domain that comes with a piece of the rock is absolute genius. What say you? Do you want a piece of the rock How about one of the two domains that are in development....one a .com and the other a new GTLD whose extension is .Diet. Thanks again for your continued support

You'll get no equity in return for ngtld. You could fake it if you really need to.

 

[ThatNameGuy]

Hi Bulloney,

Maybe you are great with business outside the internet (as disclosed by you) but on the internet there are certain things that play out into the value of domains. All the really great but few NGTLDs are owned/acquired at premium costs but it does not translate to the value of the rest of the domain names in those extensions. That's where the misery lies. Maybe you might have a few nice ones but please don't think your entire portfolio is gold. It's impossible and you have to see it that way if you are serious about domaining. Each of us has had this in variations but this is the same kind of "blind spot" we all start of with, and which if not corrected becomes our undoing in this business. Secondly there are literally millions of successful .COMs and that is the main competition for the NGTLDs, Existing businesses on .COMs that garner the trust factor 99% of the time. You have to wrap your head around this fact and we say this as only your concerned friends. No one is getting anything out of this, We all want each other to do well don't we??

Here is one observation I made, in your signature you have a couple of nice .COMs but there is not even one premium (impressive) NGTLD.... I see BeerPong.live and CarWash.Gives. Are these the best that you have?? Usually people put up their best in their signature, or at least the best that they have for sale. Honestly you needn't even reply, just think hard along the lines of what we are all collectively saying.

I can't stop imagining the amount of super premium .COMs you could have owned with all that money

One last note. With all due respect, on a forum of this scale (in front of the many proven industry experts in every facet of the online industry) you need to set your ego aside as I'm sure you have done hundreds of times in the various businesses you have been part of as they succeeded over the years. Wishing you only the best.

- Anita

Anita...i can see where you put a lot of thought into your post, but there's a lot even you don't understand about me, or my plans. Lets start with the fact that I've been doing this for less than a year, but knowing I have considerable experience in starting, naming and running successful businesses for almost 50 years.
As you can see, I'm a pretty confident guy and that's just who I am When it comes to businesses I believe I understand, very little can hold me back.

So lets just take the two nGTLD that are part of my signature at the bottom of my posts; BeerPong.live and Carwash.gives. And NO, they're not necessarily the best I have. I probably own about a hundred that you might consider better on their face, but not knowing the "plans" for them, there is no way you could be objective. So lets start with BeerPong.live....I'm not sure where you're from, but have you ever heard of Tailgating or Cornhole? Well, tens of millions of people around the world tailgate, play Cornhole and play BeerPong for FUN! Regardless of whether I develop them, or sell them to someone who has the same vision, these three domains go together like peanut butter and jelly or milk and cookies. Furthermore, since all three of these domains generally involve "beer drinking", who best to develop them for, or sell them to, than Coors, Budweiser, Heineken, Corona etc. Now lets take CarWash.gives Anita....please take a few minutes to check this site out called PingPong.gives....https://pingpong.gives/ Did you check it out?
Again, I don't know if you're from the states or not, but do you have a clue how many car washes are run for charities every weekend in the US?....in the world? Now imagine if you will, your kid (if you have any) raises money for a club at school via a car wash and you or anyone else would like to make a donation just to help out a good cause....this is where I'll leave you Anita. I believe you can figure out where I'm going with this...or at least I hope so.

btw, PingPong.gives has been very successful as have other new GTLD's that I've researched. btw, I've owned a site, SavingMinds.org I registered about a year ago that I plan on developing as my 501c3 to give back to the caregivers of Alzheimer patients.

What I still find perplexing is your comment about buying, "super premium .com domains" with all the money I've spent on new new GTLD's? All what money? Do you mean the "average" cost of just $4.00 I've paid? Anita....I couldn't buy even one super premium domain for the money I've spent on new GTLD's. and I own over 1,000 of them.

That's it for now Anita...when I get a chance I'll DM you with some of my other domains that are motive driven. Thanks