new gtlds Speculations on New gTLDs

[atinc]

Speculations on Domain Industry

There is one thing which is crystal clear about domain industry :

• Dot Com investors hate the new gTLDs!

Why? Because before the new G era, "the domain investors" invested on millions of dot Com domains, even a regular domainer today held hundreds of domains in their portfolio.

The new gTLDs have been the biggest nightmare for the serious dot Com investors and will continue to be..

When you see the statistics, dot Com domain sales dropped dramatically since the new gTLDs introduced to the market.

The demand on new extensions excited millions of people all over the world since it is an unexplored land on Web.

There are thousands of generic names available to be registered.

Comparing to dot Com, where people registering 4 letter non-sense domains or ridiculous made up (brandable) names...

Most of you know that travel.agency sold for 3000 USD in the beginning of this year.

Earlier travel.agency sold for $9999 at Flippa in May 2016.

And today Travel.Agency directs to a ridiculous domain name : http://www.jdjdjdjdjdjdj.com/

Search and see yourself...

I personally believe that the owner of travel.agency is still the same person since the day it was registered.

Pure speculation that hits the top news on every domain related media available on the Web.

Ever since the news about travel.agency, there have been dozens of topics created on domain related websites..

Nice move by dot Com speculators against their biggest competitor: the new gTLDs.

But not smart enough..

The first domain was registered back at 1985 and it was a dot Com, yet majority of the Million Dollar domain sales took place between 2007-2017.

The industry needed 22 to 32 years to reach a maturity.

Wait and see the victory of new gTLDs...

 

[JB Lions]

So you say if they invest on dot COM where people registering non sense 4L`s and poor quality so called brandable names since there are no generics left, they won`t be investing on powerball tickets?

The 4L's, depends where you got in. If you bought at the peak, probably hating life. There are plenty of generics left, on the aftermarket.

 

[atinc]

https://namebio.com/?s==EDM3IDM1ETM

registry sale of course

Let me know if you would register sex.xxx or porn.xxx or what ever if it was available?

 

[Kate]

what is the point if it is a registry sale or a domain investor sale?

It simply means that it's the wrong TLD for domainers who are looking to make a profit.
That's the whole point of it. Personally my goal is to sell domains, not to collect them.

 

[atinc]

if you want to make money as an investor it matters.

Tell me how to make money as a domain investor today?
Should dot com be the only extension I should invest in and what kind of names should one invest?

 

[atinc]

The 4L's, depends where you got in. If you bought at the peak, probably hating life. There are plenty of generics left, on the aftermarket.

Yes I know I am also looking for a good 4L from the aftermarket but didn`t find a quite good one.

 

[atinc]

It simply means that it's the wrong TLD for domainers who are looking to make a profit.
That's the whole point of it. Personally my goal is to sell domains, not to collect them.

collect- sell- trade - invest
which part your investments fall in to?

 

[Brands.International]

@dordomai @bmugford @Kate
Guys please enlighten me , you both talking about the time when internet get popular but when I ask when do you think that happen non of you could give me a timeline.
Seriously I want to know what years you guys are talking about.
Or just let me know why you don`t want to give an exact timeline : simply because a new gTLD beat up a 3L dot com after 3 years introducing to market!
What are we discussing here?
Statistics clearly shows that new G`s got a huge potential. And can beat up one of the most rare domains available (3L dot Com) in price wise.

I see it like this (little story about apples will follow): you try to speak reasonably to people who are selling green apples for years. Now in last 3 years, someone started to import lot of red apples on the market. Red apples taste the same, but there is LOT of them, and they are very CHEAP, much cheaper then green ones. There are also lot of varieties of them. Green apple sellers are not happy, simply not happy at all. They have been selling green apples for years, without any competition, for high prices and now this..cheap imports, such a shame!!!

Buyers are used well to green - but some of them already started to taste red apples as well - and they find they basically taste well too, no big difference..just they are much cheaper, and more available. Green apple sellers of course start telling them stories about how red apples are bad, probably genetically modified! - if they can be so cheap and so plentiful. They will tell buyers no one eat red, everybody eat only green - it was like that for years, so why that would need to change? - is their main argument.

There are also newbies, new sellers of apples - and they are not sure..should we start dealing with green apples, or with red apples? Should we take mortgage on our homes, and buy 1 medium green apple, so we can resale it, or can we buy some nice big red apples for much less money? Sellers of green say that no one buys red apples...hmm..but they taste and look the same...lot of confusion! What will buyers buy? New sellers know, that there is not too much difference - but green apple sellers are so experienced, they are in business for years and telling red is bad..so what to do?

Ultimately of course all depends on apple buyers.

If you are a buyer, you can not really ask green apple sellers for independent opinion about which apples are better. In eyes of green apple sellers, all those cheap imported red apples are already rotten, dead, and going to cemetery! They can not say otherwise, as if they reveal red apples are also good and sweet, they can go home with all their expensive green apples, and start looking for another job. They can stay at market only as long as buyers believes green apples are something special and worth special price. We can feel for them, but everything is changing rapidly, and we all need to adapt to it.

Only exception is, if you are selling bananas - the apple, red or green, is something different to banana. So bananas sellers can stay calm, they will be mostly not affected by red apples appearance (for those who can not deduct what bananas are in this story, they are ccTLDs)

 

[HotKey]

Garage.ist for $14,496 ??

I see it like this (little story about apples will follow)

Wow- longest apple analogy ever gonna be dreaming apples and bananas tonight..Anyhow nice one I like it.
Don't forget about the apple tree- that's where they're hanging on before getting plucked off. And some of those red apple trees getting a nasty worm infestation..

 

[MasterOfMyDomains]

what about storing apples?
Green apples have a long shelf.life
Do the .red ones?

 

[Mister Funsky]

It has been a hoot reading this read...lots of good points/arguments on both sides.

I, like a few others on the thread, buy what I consider to be a good name no matter what the extension. However, I do/did read the fine print about pricing and did not buy domains in extensions that were controlled by a market maker...price increases were inevitable (now reductions will follow).

90 percent of my names are coms and I have not tried to actively sell a domain in almost a year. Been turning down low ball to mid level offers in that same time period waiting for pricing to stabilize. If a good offer comes in, I will, of course, take it on whatever name it is---developed or not.

Most of my time is being spent now on developing some of the better names I have...once they are and income starts coming in, the prices will go up accordingly if someone wants to buy.

So I guess I am collecting at this stage and weeding out .net, .org and .infos as well...at least for the next couple years.

 

[HotKey]

did not buy domains in extensions that were controlled by a market maker...

What do you mean by this? Like by large dot-com players that also own registries?

 

[MasterOfMyDomains]

https://www.namepros.com/threads/do...n-and-were-mistakenly-made-available.1010594/
In the new G's we Trust

You should start a thread latest new G to get taken from me @atinc

 

[Registry Services]

Dot Com investors hate the new gTLDs

two reasons (1) new-GTLDs have the potential to devalue the investor's portfolio and (2) most new-GTLDs have differential pricing and take all the margin (& more) on the premium names, cutting domain investors out of the loop.

 

[Registry Services]

I buy only .com because i think the new extensions are too risky and overpriced.
....
I think every domain and every extension shares the same risk.

If a domain is a good domain than it is a good domain NO MATTER what is the extension.

For the price point yes some of the extensions might be over priced for specific generic words but remember that there are some really cool generic gTLDs out there.

look at that - a balanced and considered opinion - and I thought this was the internet???

 

[atinc]

look at that - a balanced and considered opinion - and I thought this was the internet???

This part was a quote : I buy only .com because i think the new extensions are too risky and overpriced.
....
I have both new G`s and dot Com`s.
Just wanted to clarify that.

 

[Samer]

As long as it's not a slap in the face like ".sucks" which is the epitome of everything wrong with new gtlds, I can see both sides of the argument.

Here's the kicker: Costs $200 a year to renew

 

[elevator]

Speculations on Domain Industry

There is one thing which is crystal clear about domain industry :

• Dot Com investors hate the new gTLDs!

Why? Because before the new G era, "the domain investors" invested on millions of dot Com domains, even a regular domainer today held hundreds of domains in their portfolio.

The new gTLDs have been the biggest nightmare for the serious dot Com investors and will continue to be..

When you see the statistics, dot Com domain sales dropped dramatically since the new gTLDs introduced to the market.

The demand on new extensions excited millions of people all over the world since it is an unexplored land on Web.

There are thousands of generic names available to be registered.

Comparing to dot Com, where people registering 4 letter non-sense domains or ridiculous made up (brandable) names...

Most of you know that travel.agency sold for 3000 USD in the beginning of this year.

Earlier travel.agency sold for $9999 at Flippa in May 2016.

And today Travel.Agency directs to a ridiculous domain name : http://www.jdjdjdjdjdjdj.com/

Search and see yourself...

I personally believe that the owner of travel.agency is still the same person since the day it was registered.

Pure speculation that hits the top news on every domain related media available on the Web.

Ever since the news about travel.agency, there have been dozens of topics created on domain related websites..

Nice move by dot Com speculators against their biggest competitor: the new gTLDs.

But not smart enough..

The first domain was registered back at 1985 and it was a dot Com, yet majority of the Million Dollar domain sales took place between 2007-2017.

The industry needed 22 to 32 years to reach a maturity.

Wait and see the victory of new gTLDs...

All I wish to ask from you are:
1.Are you a domsiner?
2 do you have any .com domain?
3. what is the percentage of your .com and NewGTLDs?
4. If you do not have .com what are your present profit you made from NewGTlD?
5. Do you intend to buy any .com domains at all?

Thanks.while waiting for your response

 

[atinc]

All I wish to ask from you are:
1.Are you a domsiner?
2 do you have any .com domain?
3. what is the percentage of your .com and NewGTLDs?
4. If you do not have .com what are your present profit you made from NewGTlD?
5. Do you intend to buy any .com domains at all?

Thanks.while waiting for your response

Ofcourse I have .com domains in my portfolio.

Percentage should be 35-40% com 65-60% new gTLD

About domSiner I suggest you to read the whole thread before making such insult.

About my sales history you would know it if you read the whole thread...

 

[atinc]

Great news for New gTLDs A G A I N !

Read the thread below:

https://www.namepros.com/threads/this-20-billion-company-uses-a-new-tld-for-its-website-and.1012139/

 

[Kate]

The domain was registered on 31-1, probably for reg fee but through Mark Monitor. Dynadot has .technology at $1.99 I doubt this was a domainer or registry sale.

 

[atinc]

The domain was registered on 31-1, probably for reg fee but through Mark Monitor. Dynadot has .technology at $1.99 I doubt this was a domainer or registry sale.

It really doesn`t matter if its a domainer or a registry sale.
It is a proof of how the new gTLDs started to used on web.

 

[NigelD]

'Upcoming deletes' hit 11.46% today across all the new extension - keeps going up - and that's without the xyz 1 cent promotion fall off that will show up in a few months time. Hardly a sign of confidence in this market.

 

[atinc]

'Upcoming deletes' hit 11.46% today across all the new extension - keeps going up - and that's without the xyz 1 cent promotion fall off that will show up in a few months time. Hardly a sign of confidence in this market.

if you have a good generic with a new gtld you don`t need a sign for confidence..

 

[atinc]

Speculations on Domain Industry

There is one thing which is crystal clear about domain industry :

• Dot Com investors hate the new gTLDs!

Why? Because before the new G era, "the domain investors" invested on millions of dot Com domains, even a regular domainer today held hundreds of domains in their portfolio.

The new gTLDs have been the biggest nightmare for the serious dot Com investors and will continue to be..

When you see the statistics, dot Com domain sales dropped dramatically since the new gTLDs introduced to the market.

The demand on new extensions excited millions of people all over the world since it is an unexplored land on Web.

There are thousands of generic names available to be registered.

Comparing to dot Com, where people registering 4 letter non-sense domains or ridiculous made up (brandable) names...

Most of you know that travel.agency sold for 3000 USD in the beginning of this year.

Earlier travel.agency sold for $9999 at Flippa in May 2016.

And today Travel.Agency directs to a ridiculous domain name : http://www.jdjdjdjdjdjdj.com/

Search and see yourself...

I personally believe that the owner of travel.agency is still the same person since the day it was registered.

Pure speculation that hits the top news on every domain related media available on the Web.

Ever since the news about travel.agency, there have been dozens of topics created on domain related websites..

Nice move by dot Com speculators against their biggest competitor: the new gTLDs.

But not smart enough..

The first domain was registered back at 1985 and it was a dot Com, yet majority of the Million Dollar domain sales took place between 2007-2017.

The industry needed 22 to 32 years to reach a maturity.

Wait and see the victory of new gTLDs...

 

[jmcc]

The new gTLDs have been the biggest nightmare for the serious dot Com investors and will continue to be..

The .COM has a volume of investors that the new gTLDs does not have. I've been examining growth trends in the legacy gTLDs (COM/NET/ORG/BIZ/INFO) and the new gTLDs since 2014 for some work I am doing here and the effect of the new gTLDs on the legacy gTLDs is not as profound as some might think.

When you see the statistics, dot Com domain sales dropped dramatically since the new gTLDs introduced to the market.

And yet .COM has seen the Chinese bubble which involved millions of domain names which largely dropped on renewal anniversary.

The demand on new extensions excited millions of people all over the world since it is an unexplored land on Web.

This something else I work with (domain name statistics at a country level). What you think is happening is not happening. At country market level, new gTLDs are rarely above 5% of a country's domain name footprint. Some new gTLDs have become almost completely dependent on particular markets (.TOP with China etc) and have minimal shares outside that market.

There are thousands of generic names available to be registered.

Millions.

Comparing to dot Com, where people registering 4 letter non-sense domains or ridiculous made up (brandable) names...

.COM is a generic TLD. Most of the new gTLDs, other than XYZ, are not and are closer to being domain hacks in nature.

Wait and see the victory of new gTLDs...

Growth in some new gTLDs has flatlined. There is not enough registration volume to make the gTLD financially viable in some cases.

ICANN launched too many new gTLDs too quickly and in too short a timeframe. The people responsible were quite clueless and their projections about the size of the new gTLDs were sheer numerology by spoofers who hadn't a clue about how the domain name market had changed drastically in 2010.

There was an artificial scarcity of good domain names in .COM and the other legacy gTLDs because Domain Tasting was breaking the domain name lifecycle and good domains were not being deleted and going back into general circulation. Much of a day's domain name drop was being hoovered up by drop catching registrars who would place these domain names on PPC and hold them if they made enough revenue to cover the registration fee. Those that didn't were deleted in the five day window. It didn't cost these registrars anything for the dropped domains. ICANN was shamed into stopping Domain Tasting by imposing a restocking fee that added a cost to Domain Tasting. This effectively killed Domain Tasting and, with it, the demand for some of the new gTLDs.

Some new gTLDs are successful. However some are not.

Regards...jmcc