sales .Coms and Non .Coms Evenly Split This Week's Top 20 Sales With 10 Entries Each

[Ron Jackson]

The new weekly Domain Sales Report is out at DNJournal.com. It is a rare occasion when .coms don't dominate our weekly all extension Top 20 Sales Chart. The past week was one of those with non .com domain claiming just as many chart entries as .com domains with the two sides ending up in a 10-10 deadlock. The .coms did dominate the top of the elite list though, sweeping the first three positions and four of the top five. The non .com contingent included six gTLDs (three legacy extensions – two .nets and a .org – and three new gTLDs) along with four ccTLDs.You can get all of the details on this very diverse week in the domain aftermarket here - http://www.dnjournal.com/archive/domainsales/2016/20160406.htm

 

[DOMAIN ILLUMINATI]

Thanks.
It's a '.com and go.'
Good summary.

 

[HeyNow]

Can you believe "sales" reported by Flippa and Snapnames are included? You can't make up this stuff! How great is it that sucker.com is credited to Flippa? How great is that?

IMHO, Jackson ought to be ashamed of himself.

 

[brindle123]

I can't believe someone paid $4000 for UtahCandles.com
That better have came with at least 4000 candles. Unbelievable what sells sometimes.

$10,000 for MoreBeauty.com geesh I don't think I would have picked that up for $100.

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy for the sellers, I just don't know what planet these buyers come from.

@kingof.top you must be happy to see a .top in there!

 

[Templr]

Such an extensive site, I would expect to see a 'search'. I sent Ron Jackson a heads up months ago about placing social media buttons with his posts as an advantage; I noticed that he introduced these buttons later, but I never received a simple communication from him. Common manners don't go a miss!

 

[brindle123]

I missed this gem:

thebeewhisperer.com $3,625 I would love to see that in action.

 

[HeyNow]

I can't believe someone paid $4000 for UtahCandles.com

Me neither.

 

[HeyNow]

Such an extensive site, I would expect to see a 'search'. I sent Ron Jackson a heads up months ago about placing social media buttons with his posts as an advantage; I noticed that he introduced these buttons later, but I never received a simple communication from him. Common manners don't go a miss!

A site barfing up "sales" results from Snapnames and Flippa, and you're more concerned about the social media buttons?

We are truly doomed.

 

[JB Lions]

I can't believe someone paid $4000 for UtahCandles.com

Me neither.

Why would you guys be shocked that a company buys it's name? There is a LLC for that term, a seller on ebay, Twitter account with link to that url etc.

And yes HeyNow, sales happen at Flippa, Snap etc.

 

[Recons.Com]

Manipulating data...
First twenty can go anyway (.com will still take 50-80% in any given week), but look at the sales further down.

Read the article further and you'll notice that for a bigger sample size (all the names on the page with $2,000+ per name sales) and you'll notice that the week is not any different than any other and .com dominates, followed by .net/.org or cctlds and few ngtlds cropped in here and there.

 

[DOMAIN ILLUMINATI]

...
@kingof.top you must be happy to see a .top in there!

Not only me and, I see more than one .top in this list.
Other past .top sales: http://dnpric.es/?q=.top

 

[brindle123]

Why would you guys be shocked that a company buys it's name? There is a LLC for that term, a seller on ebay, Twitter account with link to that url etc.

Didn't know that there was a company out there. I guess now I'm not sure why someone would start an LLC without having the domain to go with it. The domain is only about 6yrs old. Do you know how long ago they got the LLC? Still shocked at the price for it though.

The weird thing about it is that a candle company from utah would pay $4000 for a domain but there are multimillion dollar companies with bad domains. Just goes to show how crazy this business is.

 

[Templr]

A site barfing up "sales" results from Snapnames and Flippa, and you're more concerned about the social media buttons?

We are truly doomed.

Why does all this wind you up David Corish.

 

[HeyNow]

Why does all this wind you up David Corish.

Glad you asked, Howie Crosby. Here's why: http://techcrunch.com/2009/11/09/snapnames-gets-hit-with-class-action-suit-over-shill-bidding/

http://www.socaltech.com/oversee_s_snapnames_hit_by_domain_bid_scandal/s-0025031.html


And of course the Flippa policy of allowing its employees to bid at Flippa auctions doesn't make me feel all warm and fuzzy about the integrity of their "reported sales." Here, read an interview with Flippa's former CEO: http://tldinvestors.com/2012/11/quick-chat-with-david-slutzkin-ceo-flippa.html

Anyway, glad you asked. Now you're better-educated about domain auction history. Oh, and by the way, as far as I know, no one went to jail for the Snapnames scandal. You or I shoplift a pack of gum from the grocery store and that store will have you or I arrested. But hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars in auction shill-bidding? ... Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Zero. As far as I know, not even an arrest. Something smells about that.

 

[HeyNow]

And yes HeyNow, sales happen at Flippa, Snap etc.

Yes, "sales happen at Flippa," as you say. Even with the policy of allowing its employees to participate as bidders in those auctions, sales happen(ed). I can't help but wonder if prices in any particular auction were driven upward by Flippa employees, but that's just me.

And sales were happening at Snapnames back in the 2005 thru 2009 as far as I know. Hey, that's when we first learned about their shill-bidding scandal, in 2009 I think. Anyway, due to my inability to find documentation that anyone involved in that scandal went to jail, I remain skeptical about their auctions. The mofo's over at DNJournal don't seem to be skeptical. That's on them, and it reflects on their character too as far as I'm concerned.

 

[JB Lions]

Yes, "sales happen at Flippa," as you say. Even with the policy of allowing its employees to participate as bidders in those auctions, sales happen(ed). I can't help but wonder if prices in any particular auction were driven upward by Flippa employees, but that's just me.

And sales were happening at Snapnames back in the 2005 thru 2009 as far as I know. Hey, that's when we first learned about their shill-bidding scandal, in 2009 I think. Anyway, due to my inability to find documentation that anyone involved in that scandal went to jail, I remain skeptical about their auctions. The mofo's over at DNJournal don't seem to be skeptical. That's on them, and it reflects on their character too as far as I'm concerned.

Yes, plenty of people here buy and sell on Flippa and are successful.

2005-2009? Do you know what year it is? It's 2016. This is a sales thread. You never provide anything that something sketchy might be going on at Snapnames, it's why you always have to go back in time. We've went over this many times, you know this.

You also have no experience with any of these marketplaces since you're not really in the business and you don't participate at GD, NJ, Snap, Flippa etc. If you did, you might have some sort of clue how they operate, today.

 

[Templr]

I never hide my full name David, it's easy to find and my business address.

Now you're better-educated about domain auction history.

You talk as if you're in the school playground.

 

[Kate]

The Snapnames issue has been addressed many times.
Years ago, I had a client whose accountant was fired one day, because they found out she had been stealing money. Does that mean the other employees or the management were involved or in the know ? No.
It's not that special, many if not most companies have had to deal with dishonest employees at some point.

As far as I know, Brady did not go to jail and I am not even sure he will be made to pay. That is certainly not fair but the problem seems to be the US justice system, or that the individual stakes are too low to justify legal action.
As for the sales reports we have to be aware that some data may be falsified (or contain mistakes), does that mean Ron is deliberately misleading us ? No. Just doing his job and quoting sources, so you can decide for yourself which you are willing to trust.

Flippa I dunno. I have memories of a marketplace where crappy sites got sold based on inflated, possibly questionable figures.

I look forward to the next post from Heynow that isn't a rant against Ron or Snapnames.

 

[HeyNow]

Yes, plenty of people here buy and sell on Flippa and are successful.

2005-2009? Do you know what year it is? It's 2016. This is a sales thread. You never provide anything that something sketchy might be going on at Snapnames, it's why you always have to go back in time. We've went over this many times, you know this.

You also have no experience with any of these marketplaces since you're not really in the business and you don't participate at GD, NJ, Snap, Flippa etc. If you did, you might have some sort of clue how they operate, today.

I'm surprised you're in charge of information disseminated in a forum. But times are tough, wartime help, etc. I'll address some specifics about your post:

1) You state, "plenty of people here buy and sell on Flippa and are successful." That statement means absolutely nothing in the context of whether or not Flippa employees bid at those auctions. What is "successful?" Buying a domain at auction where auction-platform employee(s) drove up the price? Is that successful? Is merely winning the domain at auction successful, no matter what shenanigans occurred behind the scenes unbeknownst to the successful bidder? Why do you insult our intelligence out here by making such a statement?

2) Yes, it's 2016. Let's forgive all unpunished fraud after 7 years. Is that what you proffer here? Again, you appear to be assuming we're better off forgetting history, and tip-toeing through the tulips as if nothing happened between 2005 and 2009 .... Lah-tee-dah, lah-tee-dah.

3) You stated, "We've been over this many times, you know this." In case you hadn't noticed, or bothered to read the entire thread here, Howie Crosby asked me a question, and I gave him an honest answer. Obviously, you and I have been over this ad nauseam, but others here apparently aren't that familiar with documented history. Otherwise, Howie Crosby wouldn't have asked, "Why does all this wind you up David Corish?" If you prefer we don't answer questions from other posters, just say so.

4) You state, "You also have no experience with any of these marketplaces since you're not really in the business and you don't participate at GD, NJ, Snap, Flippa etc." Based on the documented history of auction fraud in the industry, and auction platform policies allowing employees to bid against outside bidders without informing the outside bidders, it appears my judgement to abstain from participation in these auctions is grounded in sound logic and common sense. How sad you hold that against your members.

 

[JB Lions]

Can't edit last post, forgot about this:

Glad you asked, Howie Crosby. Here's why: http://techcrunch.com/2009/11/09/snapnames-gets-hit-with-class-action-suit-over-shill-bidding/

http://www.socaltech.com/oversee_s_snapnames_hit_by_domain_bid_scandal/s-0025031.html

Why are you knowingly leaving out other info? You're being very dishonest when you do that. You mention suit against them but you know Snapnames sued that employee:

http://blog.oregonlive.com/siliconforest/2010/10/snapnames_settles_lawsuit_agai.html

Again, with your other comments.

Yes, it's still 2016. If something was happening, I'm sure you could have come up with something for the last 7 years? You have never, that's why you have to go back in time.

As far as #4, it's not grounded in logic, it's grounded in paranoia, and that you're really not in the business. I participate in Snap, NJ etc, and recognize who I bid against. I don't notice any issues. You don't either sitting on the sidelines or you would have brought something up more current than 2009. Feel free to address that point specifically. How come Heynow hasn't been able to find another incident since 2009?

And you're actually hurting new people coming into this industry that are dumb enough to listen to your advice and stay away from auctions because that's where you get some of the best deals.

 

[HeyNow]

Can't edit last post, forgot about this:



Why are you knowingly leaving out other info? You mention suit against them but you know Snapnames sued that employee:

http://blog.oregonlive.com/siliconforest/2010/10/snapnames_settles_lawsuit_agai.html

The suit? Haha! That's a good one. Read the article yourself, "Oversee said the settlement with Brady will be kept confidential, but Cole said it does include some monetary reimbursement."

That's a real knee slapper! J.B., you can blindly trust a company if you see fit. Surely you can't blame others who are wary of massive fraud and a resolution kept "confidential."

Good day to you sir.

 

[JB Lions]

The suit? Haha! That's a good one. Read the article yourself, "Oversee said the settlement with Brady will be kept confidential, but Cole said it does include some monetary reimbursement."

That's a real knee slapper! J.B., you can blindly trust a company if you see fit. Surely you can't blame others who are wary of massive fraud and a resolution kept "confidential."

Good day to you sir.

You skipped over my other questions. How come you haven't been able to point out something recent? And do you know the difference between 2009 and 2016? Do you realize most successful domainers participate in auctions at these places? Am I wrong in saying that you would advice people to stay away from those places, this is the advise you would give people and you consider that to be good advice?

That's a real knee slapper! J.B., you can blindly trust a company if you see fit. .

What part of my post are you struggling to grasp? It's not blind trust. I participate in the auctions, I recognize the names I'm bidding against, most of them members here. You wouldn't know this because you have 0 experience with this.

 

[HeyNow]

I never hide my full name David, it's easy to find and my business address. You talk as if you're in the school playground.

Glad you "never" hide your full name. That's your choice. Too bad you don't feel the need to respect the choice of others to not. Obviously I don't hide it, otherwise, Howie Crosby, you wouldn't have been able to find it.

School playground? Well, when I'm dealing with that sort of mentality, I try to communicate appropriately.

 

[Kate]

You are barking up the wrong tree.
Perhaps you would be taken a tad more seriously if you weren't still keeping your domains at Godaddy, about whom you've said harsh things, some of which were actually justified. In fact, I might even trust Snapnames more than Godaddy. Because Snapnames came forward when they found out about the fraud, but there are at least two instances where Godaddy took action only after they were caught red-handed in ethically problematic situations.
It's not like you don't have a choice of registrars.

 

[HeyNow]

You are barking up the wrong tree.
Perhaps you would be taken a tad more seriously if you weren't still keeping your domains at Godaddy, about whom you've said harsh things, some of which were actually justified. In fact, I might even trust Snapnames more than Godaddy. Because Snapnames came forward when they found out about the fraud, but there are at least two instances where Godaddy took action only after they were caught red-handed in ethically problematic situations.
It's not like you don't have a choice of registrars.

1) I keep my domains at Godaddy, but that's the extent of my patronage there. Godaddy has a documented history of changing policy when any particular policy is found to be ethically questionable. You're not going to take anyone seriously who keeps their small portfolio at Godaddy? You're joking, right? I've never had a domain stolen there. Never had a problem with transfers, in or out. I know, Parsons shoots elephants, and he's a dick because of it. I battle with that aspect of Godaddy.

2) Snapnames "came forward," as you say, after years of fucking customers out of money. I think the crime got too big to hide, and they made the wise move of going public, probably controlling the extent of the fraud and the perception of subsequent damage. Like I said before many times, no one went to jail or was even arrested as far as I know. Let me ask you: Why do you think Nelson Brady never went to jail?

Facts are facts, and you can take me as seriously as you want. The fact that I keep my domains registered at Godaddy doesn't change documented history of Snapnames, Flippa, and DNJournal.