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advice It's Official... I'm a Domainer Now

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Today I feel excited to let my fellow domainers know that I have successfully sold my very first domain name! I think that makes me a domainer; right? It took almost a year since I restarted my learning of domaining, and I don't have words to explain the excitement and happiness I am going through right now!

In this post, I am going to share a couple of insights about how it all started and how I successfully sold my first domain name. I will also try to share my mistakes and learning experiences, as well.

How and when it all started

It all started back in 2009 when I stumbled upon Rick's blog (aka The Domain King). I was thrilled that domains can be sold for millions of dollars. I started digging deeper into the domain buying and selling game, and if I remember it correctly, I purchased my first 20+ domains after two months. Of course, 90% of those domains were "pigeon shit" domains, as Rick would say, and I don't have them anymore. I didn't quit though.

Then I discovered DomainSherpa. I listened to interviews of Rick, Adam, and other successful domainers, and it really helped me in buying more (and much better) domains. Everything was going okay, but I was not progressing in domaining. I think this was mainly because I was more focused on my primary job as an Internet Marketer.

Last year in August, when Adam announced a free domaining course on his Facebook group, I jumped right in. Keeping it short, I learned a lot and domain reviews are the best. I then re-initiated my domaining goals and started to work based on what I had learned so far.

I still buy domains but now I have a plan and a vision for every domain that I buy.

My first domain name—SOLD

Now I'll come to the juicy part of this post. For some reason I can't disclose all the details, but I will try my best to provide as much as possible about the domain sale. I hope you understand.

The domain was related to one of the all-time hottest industries (e.g., vacations, tourism, hotels, airports). It was sold through BrandBucket. I hand-registered the domain early in May this year for $2.17 using a GoDaddy coupon (RIP, good ol' coupons), and it was listed on BrandBucket in the first week of July. It was a two-word brandable generic domain name without any made-up words.

The part I like most (after the selling part) is that luckily the domain was sold for exactly what I had planned for my first domain sale: a four-figure sale, sold for just over $2,000.

Mistakes I have made

Mistake: In the beginning, just like any other newbie domainer, I wasted money on buying useless domain names.
Lesson: Newbies are going to buy bad domains in the beginning, but the goal is to not waste too much money on them. I am happy that I didn't waste a huge amount of money on buying bad domains.

Mistake: My initial domain purchases were mostly made-up words, two-word generics, and 5-letter domains. Believe me, 90% of them sucked big time.
Lesson: I realized soon that I should have bought keyword-based domains: logical brandables, small business domains, etc.

Mistake: Instead of focusing on liquid domains, 95% of my portfolio still represents only long-term investments. Domains that are related to future technology, e.g., drones.
Lesson: I have now started to build a portfolio mixed with liquid and long-term domain names because I realized that I need a reasonable sale every month to keep the game going and to enjoy it.

What's next for me

Since I now have a fair idea of what sells and the types of domains I should be buying, I am going to focus mainly on buying liquid domains.

If there's one thing I like about being in the online marketing niche (I'm an Internet Marketer by profession), it's working with websites (developing and marketing them). I am planning to develop a select number of domains every two-three months for the sole purpose of flipping them in the future. The types of sites I'll be developing will mostly be lead generation and resource based (authority) websites.

I am already in the phase of finalizing a domain marketplace site. The plan is to promote the site mainly using outbound marketing techniques.

Pieces of advice for newbie domainers
  • Never give up. Patience is crucial when it comes to selling domains.
  • While buying domains, make sure you are not just buying a domain because you like it or think it is cool. Search and follow the market, metrics, and trends to buy the right domain name.
  • Like any other experienced domainer would suggest, don't buy a bunch of mediocre domains. Instead, buy two or three quality domains to add to your portfolio.
  • Don't listen to everyone. Make sure the person you are asking (to learn) things is capable and qualified to guide you to the right path.
  • I remember a few fellow domainers suggested for me to start small. It's a good thing to start small but don't compromise on the quality of the domain names you own and don't be in a hurry to sell domains too fast.
  • It is important to have your own domain portfolio site so the businesses you deal with take you seriously, as a business.
I still have a lot to learn and achieve in the domain buying and selling business. I'm not planning to make this my full-time business yet, but I am surely striving for it.

Last but not least, a big thanks to those whom I have learned from in the domain industry. And of course, thanks to BrandBucket for accepting, listing, and then making the domain sale possible.
  1. @Rick Schwartz - My inspiration when it comes to domaining.
  2. @Michael Cyger - If it wasn't for DomainSherpa, I would have never discovered interviews of successful domainers.
  3. @Adam Dicker - The guy is amazing when it comes to helping newbie domainers.
  4. NamePros.com - I was fortunate enough to find this community with so many exciting people to learn from. I also found a few domainers on NamePros who actually help new domainers in a big way.
I would also like to thank you all who have helped, guided, and supported me and my domaining plans here. Thanks to those fellow domainers who shared their knowledge and experience with me and gave their time to help and guide me. I look forward to learning more from you and to have a wonderful domainer experience.

I hope everyone here is enjoying domaining. I know I am. I also hope newbies are learning great stuff on NamePros. Keep enjoying and learning the domain game, mates.

Cheers!
 
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Good job. This happened to me at the beginning of my domain career as well - my tip to you is to not get carried away with the 2k. It's easy to to spend $xxx+ on aftermarket domains like they are now the new handregs. Always do plenty of research first before doing larger acquisitions!
 
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Good job. This happened to me at the beginning of my domain career as well - my tip to you is to not get carried away with the 2k. It's easy to to spend $xxx+ on aftermarket domains like they are now the new handregs. Always do plenty of research first before doing larger acquisitions!

My thoughts exactly. One can easily get excited and buy dozens of new ones instantly; realizing the other day that most of them are just not quality.

Although, instead of buying new ones I have significant domains to sell first. But then again, if the moment arise in future, I have gotten very extra selective when it comes to registering new domains (not to mention half of it is because of no Godaddy coupons, lol.)

I try my best to first do my part of the job before buying domains. Research, trends, types of domains I am looking to buy and etc. etc. are couple of essential things that need to be well thought out. So for now, I am good with what I have right now and will be working to get them sold first. But I ain't saying I won't be buying any new ones, hehehe.

Thanks.
 
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Good stuff I just started out myself. This type of thread gives me a lot of hope. Congratulations on your first sale and success.
 
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Good going.

Approximately how many domains are you holding? If you can share, it would add some perspective IMO.
 
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I own less than 100 domains, out of which 20% are for personal/business/development purpose. From the remaining 80% domains, I have plans to develop them into websites for flipping.
 
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You've been doing this since 2009 and just made a $2K sale?
This is after all the money you've presumably lit on fire during the newbie binge and whatever your renewal nut is? All due respect Amigo, but you're a "domainer" when domain names have not only replenished the money you've spent on them in total, but flow money on a regular basis.

There is no other enterprise on earth where 6 years later, people are celebrating making $2K.
You could've spent the time and money you've wasted invested in "domaining", gone to trade school, gotten a degree in HVAC and made $300,000 in that same amount of time.

The danger of Namepros is that it can be an idiot feedback loop. The quintessential blind leading the blind. I'm not going to get into my own 'performance record' because in this context it would be a bit self-aggrandizing and I don't want to be 'that guy' (since I'm already committed to being the guy who tells you the truth) but I would suggest you engage in a little exercise an old colleague once turned me on to that has shifted how I operate in life.

Figure out your 'hourly rate'. That is, the rate your time is worth. Everyone has a number and we are not all equal. Some people, their time really is worth $1.50 an hour because whatever they offer the world can be replaced for that by someone in India. Some people, its more. Some, its a lot more. Some peoples time is worth so much money that they fly private jet planes wherever they go because it saves them an extra hour and their time is worth more than the $80K the jet cost.

Once you have your 'hourly rate', apply it to every single thing you ever do. If you are not clearing your hourly rate doing that thing, abandon it and find something more productive.
 
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You've been doing this since 2009 and just made a $2K sale?
This is after all the money you've presumably lit on fire during the newbie binge and whatever your renewal nut is? All due respect Amigo, but you're a "domainer" when domain names have not only replenished the money you've spent on them in total, but flow money on a regular basis.

There is no other enterprise on earth where 6 years later, people are celebrating making $2K.
You could've spent the time and money you've wasted invested in "domaining", gone to trade school, gotten a degree in HVAC and made $300,000 in that same amount of time.

The danger of Namepros is that it can be an idiot feedback loop. The quintessential blind leading the blind. I'm not going to get into my own 'performance record' because in this context it would be a bit self-aggrandizing and I don't want to be 'that guy' (since I'm already committed to being the guy who tells you the truth) but I would suggest you engage in a little exercise an old colleague once turned me on to that has shifted how I operate in life.

Figure out your 'hourly rate'. That is, the rate your time is worth. Everyone has a number and we are not all equal. Some people, their time really is worth $1.50 an hour because whatever they offer the world can be replaced for that by someone in India. Some people, its more. Some, its a lot more. Some peoples time is worth so much money that they fly private jet planes wherever they go because it saves them an extra hour and their time is worth more than the $80K the jet cost.

Once you have your 'hourly rate', apply it to every single thing you ever do. If you are not clearing your hourly rate doing that thing, abandon it and find something more productive.

Thanks for posting mate. But I am sure you have missed several parts of my post. Starting from the point where you thought that I actually started 'doing' it in 2009.

Few points you have missed about the post:

1. The part where I mentioned, I started 'learning' domaining in 2009, NOT practicing it in the same year.
2. The part where I mentioned that I only purchased just over 20 domains out of which 90% were deleted by me later on. Yes, I am guilty of wasting couple hundred bucks but still I think that's low compared to what I have learned and what other newbie domainers waste.
3. The part where I mentioned that I ACTIVELY restarted learning about domaining seriously in August 2014 and then working on it.
4. The part where I mentioned that the domain was bought in May 2015 and listed in July. That's 2K+ in a month's time mate.

Hope it clears.

Other than that, I agree with you on the 'blind guiding blind' part and that is exactly why I mentioned in my post to learn from only who is trustworthy.

I know about the hourly rate and it can come handy in evaluating results.

Cheers,
 
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Nice inspirational article. Please you should try to let us have some of the domain you called the dog shit and have you droped them?

In short, I congratulate you on your first fat sale, also wish you more fat sales. Lastly, we are waiting for your promising domaining sales market.

Cheers.
 
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You've been doing this since 2009 and just made a $2K sale?
This is after all the money you've presumably lit on fire during the newbie binge and whatever your renewal nut is? All due respect Amigo, but you're a "domainer" when domain names have not only replenished the money you've spent on them in total, but flow money on a regular basis.

There is no other enterprise on earth where 6 years later, people are celebrating making $2K.
You could've spent the time and money you've wasted invested in "domaining", gone to trade school, gotten a degree in HVAC and made $300,000 in that same amount of time.

The danger of Namepros is that it can be an idiot feedback loop. The quintessential blind leading the blind. I'm not going to get into my own 'performance record' because in this context it would be a bit self-aggrandizing and I don't want to be 'that guy' (since I'm already committed to being the guy who tells you the truth) but I would suggest you engage in a little exercise an old colleague once turned me on to that has shifted how I operate in life.

Figure out your 'hourly rate'. That is, the rate your time is worth. Everyone has a number and we are not all equal. Some people, their time really is worth $1.50 an hour because whatever they offer the world can be replaced for that by someone in India. Some people, its more. Some, its a lot more. Some peoples time is worth so much money that they fly private jet planes wherever they go because it saves them an extra hour and their time is worth more than the $80K the jet cost.

Once you have your 'hourly rate', apply it to every single thing you ever do. If you are not clearing your hourly rate doing that thing, abandon it and find something more productive.


Yes! You have points but I want you to realisedbthat the six years learning perioud shoild be seen as a learning and strictly for learning, especially when you don' t have somebody to lead you through the secret of domaining business. Mind you domaining is business that requires lot and lots of education; it does not matter how long your learning curve takes but what matter most is to learn the right lessons before starts making money; to nuture the idea to fruiton.
It is not how far but how well and when your how well begins, should then continue to better more.

SO I believe that he is now on his better phase of his learning period and that he can be making money hence.
All those that are flying private jets have also learned one thing or others before making money every where.

Cheers.
 
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Do you remember a fish monger who lost $300,000 while in learning period on domainsherpa.com?
 
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Maybe a little late to the party. But congrats on your first domain sale and on the progression with you acquisitions. Hope you (buy and) sell many more :)
 
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You have far too little sales for me to call you a true domainer. But unlike the vast majority of domainers (even so-called 'pros'), you made a helluva sale. I tip my hat to you and say: you are truly getting there! I think you'll be a real domainer in no time, seeing as you know the ropes :)
 
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Love to see people grow there domining business.
 
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You have far too little sales for me to call you a true domainer. But unlike the vast majority of domainers (even so-called 'pros'), you made a helluva sale. I tip my hat to you and say: you are truly getting there! I think you'll be a real domainer in no time, seeing as you know the ropes :)

Thanks mate, I have to admit that learning and researching is crucial when it comes to domaining and it really helps in buying the right domains.

The best thing I love about domaining is that I get to learn about different business and products. That makes me a 'specialist' in a unique way, lol.
 
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Congratulations James. Give me a simple but powerful tip - what kind of domain to buy and where to sell them. I will appreciate feedback from other domainers too.
 
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Congratulations James. Give me a simple but powerful tip - what kind of domain to buy and where to sell them. I will appreciate feedback from other domainers too.


Not sure if I qualify to give a domaining tip as this is my first sale and I still see myself as a newbie domainer, but I will give you a tip anyway, lol.

Like I mentioned in my post, the domain sold was a two-word brandable and I hand-registered it. It was sold via Brand Bucket.

So from my experience, if you are good with words then go with brandable domains. There's a significant market out there for such domains and I am also trying to dig deeper in this niche. Try your luck with brandables I would suggest.

There are many brandable domain marketplaces out there and that's what makes it easy for us domainers to learn and then sell our domains to.

But, the key thing to focus is not to register too many domains upfront without any success.

Let me know if I can be of any further assistance.

Best,
 
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I have to strongly disagree: brandables are everywhere, and there are literally thousands of them collecting virtual dust in brandable marketplaces. Getting a good sale with one is sheer blind luck. But I agree: if you see something you feel could be easily branded, go for it! That's why I still hold a few.

A tip, as most will tell you: stick with .com's unless you can find a good net/org .I just sold WorkFromAnywhere(dot)org for $300+. DON'T BUY INTO THE HYPE of new gTLDs. Among the best examples is the guy who thought .mobi would be a wise investment and paid $500k for flowers.mobi. He pretty lost it all.

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So from my experience, if you are good with words then go with brandable domains. There's a significant market out there for such domains and I am also trying to dig deeper in this niche. Try your luck with brandables I would suggest.

There are many brandable domain marketplaces out there and that's what makes it easy for us domainers to learn and then sell our domains to.
 
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I have to strongly disagree: brandables are everywhere, and there are literally thousands of them collecting virtual dust in brandable marketplaces. Getting a good sale with one is sheer blind luck. But I agree: if you see something you feel could be easily branded, go for it! That's why I still hold a few.

A tip, as most will tell you: stick with .com's unless you can find a good net/org .I just sold WorkFromAnywhere(dot)org for $300+. DON'T BUY INTO THE HYPE of new gTLDs. Among the best examples is the guy who thought .mobi would be a wise investment and paid $500k for flowers.mobi. He pretty lost it all.

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Agree 100% with you friend. That's why I also mentioned that if anyone's good with words and can come up with something solid to crack the nut in brandables; they should go for it.

You are so right about gTLDs. I'm not into them; yet. But I see every now and then that one-word gTLDs sell for good money. Are they worth giving a shot in your opinion?

Cheers,
 
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Honestly, no. Pretty much all decent-word new gTLDs sell well at first. Given awhile, they fall flat (look at .mobi, for example).If you find a category-killer in a new extension--and if it's cheap--then it might be a good buy, assuming you can sell it within a few months :)

You are so right about gTLDs. I'm not into them; yet. But I see every now and then that one-word gTLDs sell for good money. Are they worth giving a shot in your opinion?

Cheers,
 
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James! Congrats buddy! You deserve it. I've seen you around the forum for a while now (and spoken to privately) and I knew you had it in you. You very smart and it's awesome to see someone with perseverance who made it happen.

I didn't quit though.

Love it. It seems like with every venture, we always hit the roads where things just suck and it's easy to give it up and "try something new". Whether it's domains or any other business, keep plowing along.

Mistake: In the beginning, just like any other newbie domainer, I wasted money on buying useless domain names.

This happens to most of us. I am still learning throughout my journey but the domains I had in the past were just awful. As you continue to read and look through sale reports, you notice what has a better chance of having value and what doesn't.

Lesson: I realized soon that I should have bought keyword-based domains: logical brandables, small business domains, etc.

Right on. Whenever I buy a domain I ask myself "Can a business/company find use in this domain name? Also, could I possibly turn it into a business myself if I wanted too.". When you ask yourself these types of questions, it makes you think critically of your purchases.

It is important to have your own domain portfolio site so the businesses you deal with take you seriously, as a business.

I wonder how this is working out for you or anyone else out there. Are you forwarding all your domain names to your portfolio website? I was able to sell a name that had a simple parking page up and got an inquiry from the parking company. I'm interested to hear more opinions on this.

While buying domains, make sure you are not just buying a domain because you like it or think it is cool. Search and follow the market, metrics, and trends to buy the right domain name.

This is critical and using tools such as the Google Ad Planner (keyword tool) comes in handy to give you an idea on key metrics.

Don't listen to everyone. Make sure the person you are asking (to learn) things is capable and qualified to guide you to the right path

Agreed. Everyone has their own style and you have to fit what works for you.

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Again thanks James for sharing buddy! Glad to see your success as you are an awesome person!

-Omar
 
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James! Congrats buddy! You deserve it. I've seen you around the forum for a while now (and spoken to privately) and I knew you had it in you. You very smart and it's awesome to see someone with perseverance who made it happen.



Love it. It seems like with every venture, we always hit the roads where things just suck and it's easy to give it up and "try something new". Whether it's domains or any other business, keep plowing along.



This happens to most of us. I am still learning throughout my journey but the domains I had in the past were just awful. As you continue to read and look through sale reports, you notice what has a better chance of having value and what doesn't.



Right on. Whenever I buy a domain I ask myself "Can a business/company find use in this domain name? Also, could I possibly turn it into a business myself if I wanted too.". When you ask yourself these types of questions, it makes you think critically of your purchases.



I wonder how this is working out for you or anyone else out there. Are you forwarding all your domain names to your portfolio website? I was able to sell a name that had a simple parking page up and got an inquiry from the parking company. I'm interested to hear more opinions on this.



This is critical and using tools such as the Google Ad Planner (keyword tool) comes in handy to give you an idea on key metrics.



Agreed. Everyone has their own style and you have to fit what works for you.

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Again thanks James for sharing buddy! Glad to see your success as you are an awesome person!

-Omar

Thanks man, really appreciate your response and kind words. Out of so many great things I am thankful to Namepros community, one is that I have found few really nice buddies here; like Omar. Buddies who guide, admire and appreciate you all the way. So thank you my NP buddies.

Omar, regarding your question about my domains for sale website, I don't actually redirect domains to my primary portfolio website. Each domain has its own landing page with a simple contact form. I use my site as a domain showcase website where all of my domains for sale are listed. Although I intend to use my portfolio site as a domain "Marketplace/Auction" website, but it's still in its infancy and need a lot of work.

Side Note: Two months ago I switched all of my domains to Bodis to test their parking. Didn't find anything impressive as my domains are all hand-regs. This month I am planning to try out Voodoo. Let's see how it goes. If I don't see any progressive till the end of this month, I will switch my domains back to their landing pages.

In my opinion, I like having designated landing pages for my domains as it reflects professionalism and the potential buyer who sees my domain page would consider doing 'serious' business with me instead of tire kicking.

You can also redirect domains to your primary site where you can show buyers other available domains of their interest.
 
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