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information A Guide to Brandable Domains, With BrandBucket's Michael Krell

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I’ll admit that I know very little about brandable domain names. With the occurrence of the popular Chinese short and numeric domain markets, and the great keyword names on offer, the brandable world has slipped under my radar. After reading about a number of investors who were making moves into brandable names, I wanted to know more.

I decided that the best person to speak to about brandable domains is someone that is completely immersed in the brandable niche, thanks to his role with BrandBucket. Michael Krell is the managing director of BrandBucket, a domain name marketplace with handpicked brandable domains for entrepreneurs, startups and small businesses.

Before taking up his role with BrandBucket, Michael created a $100,000 revenue stream out of brandable domains, from a $1,000 investment, as documented at DomainSherpa.

As a brandable newbie I personally had a few basic questions that Michael was gracious enough to answer. If you, like me, are looking to learn a little more about brandable names, I hope this interview from Michael is food for thought.


NP: What is considered a brandable domain?

Michael: Generally speaking, a brandable domain is anything a business would call itself. Sometimes it is easier to say what a brandable isn’t. In my opinion, a brandable domain is not:
  1. A geo domain. Think Enterprise.com instead of NewYorkRentalCars.com
  2. A descriptive keyword name. Think DeWalt instead of ElectricPowerTools.com
  3. A long-tailed keyword name. Think IKEA instead of DiscountedModernEuropeanFurniture.com
A rule-of-thumb is that if the domain matches the real name of the business, it is a brandable.


NP: Are brandables generally one-word, two-word or longer?

Michael: It might be easier to break brandables down into two categories which are invented and keyword.

An invented name is a non-dictionary word that is made-up and doesn’t contain any dictionary root words. Some examples of invented brandable names include Xerox, Roku, and Hulu. The adage of the shorter the better is definitely true for invented names because they aren’t real words. So the more consonants and letters, the less likely someone is to remember it because they don’t have any reference points like if it were made up of real words.

Keyword names can be a couple of things. They can be made up of 1 or more real words. Some examples include Slack, Windows, Apple, and DraftKings. The other form of keyword brandables contain a real dictionary words at its base with an ending attached. Examples include, Spotify, Feedly, and Bitly.

Then you have a hybrid of the both that include deliberate misspellings of words or is a name that is phonetically similar to a real word. Think Zomato (this was purchased on BrandBucket), FlipKart, Lyft, Quickr, and Automaatic


NP: How do you acquire brandable domains?

Michael: I acquire nearly all my names through the drops and GoDaddy Auctions. I hand reg a very small percentage. Maybe 1%-2%.


NP: Is it better to buy expired domains vs registering new names?

Michael: I’ve always been one to buy names on the drops or auctions, but that doesn’t mean that you have to spend a bundle to acquire really nice names. I am very active and I might only buy 1-2 names a week over $100. You can get a lot of quality names $20 or less that you can retail for 100x or 200x your acquisition price.

Having said that, BrandBucket does have successful sellers that only sell hand registered names. No matter what your acquisition strategy you choose, you don’t want to spend a whole lot of money until you understand what exactly you are buying and if there are endusers out there who want to buy your names.


NP: How long, on average, would it take to sell a brandable name?

Michael: I can say that the average age of a sold name on BrandBucket is a little over 6 months, but with any domain, it is difficult to say when any name will sell. To give your name the best chance of selling, you want it to appeal to as wide of audience as possible and be priced competitively


NP: What is the average sales price of a brandable name at BrandBucket?

Michael: The average sales price for 2015 is just under $3000.


NP: Who uses brandable names?

Michael: Well just about every business in the world has a brand and so they all can use a brandable domain. Most of our sales at BrandBucket are to startups, Venture Capital firms, incubators and serial entrepreneurs starting a new business. We also sell to companies who are looking to rebrand such as UrbanSpoon, which rebranded to Zomato.


NP: Why is is best to use a marketplace such as BrandBucket in order to sell brandable names?

Michael: We provide a marketplace that targets those startups and entrepreneurs with the capital to purchase a quality name. Brandables for the most part are passive sales and often don’t receive a whole lot of type-in traffic, so the potential customers wants to see a variety of options that match their search criteria.

While individual sales are often passive, we are not passive in are marketing efforts. We spend considerable resources on promoting BrandBucket to these businesses and entrepreneurs.

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Thanks to Michael for taking the time to talk about brandable domains. As someone who openly knew very little about this market, I know that the information within this interview will help me make more informed decisions about buying and selling brandable names.
 
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Under premium names: Lead24Times @ $24k by mjk. (minus 24 in the name). Reged in 2014.
Regular seller would get $1k - $3k range.

Whenever I see word 'premium' associated with domain names I start to puke. It's so disgusting.

Where is my wallet? Oh, there it is. Hmm, I don't have $24k, only a $100k. Can someone break me a hundred?
 
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Where is my wallet? Oh, there it is. Hmm, I don't have $24k, only a $100k. Can someone break me a hundred?

At $3,000 avg price per domain X 30,000 published domains, my BB wallet has 90,000,000 of value. If BB sells at the current estimated rate of 3.2% (used 80 sold domains per month), they will make $864,000 from commission alone. Do they really need the extra 300,000 in upfront fee's?

MK has forgotten what it's like to have to buy 5 domains with hopes to sell on BB and have only 1 accepted. He was only a seller when BB offered FREE listing fee's through their voting system. He joined BB, and poof, he became the 1%.

I can't find my wallet either @timestamp - Can I break your hundred using simpson money?

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If I were bb, I would come here on np to buy bb names for $30-$50. Collecting 100% is way better than 30%.
 
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If I were bb, I would come here on np to buy bb names for $30-$50. Collecting 100% is way better than 30%.
Maybe they honestly believe they will never sell....otherwise they would be buying?
 
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If I were bb, I would come here on np to buy bb names for $30-$50. Collecting 100% is way better than 30%.

That is if they don't decide to just exclude sellers altogether. They have enough insiders as is, and years of secret valuable data to keep them going for years. But wait, if they limited their sellers, this would be BrandRoot, minus the fact Michael Rader is smart enough to understand that if he included 4,940 of his own domains, seller's will begin call it MichaelRoot. I respect @Brandroot for their efforts to maintain a fair marketplace. I'm excited for when they launch Brandlytics! More data, more fun!
 
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Maybe they honestly believe they will never sell....otherwise they would be buying?

Instead, Michael continues to buy better domains by purchasing aged domains, and dodging listing fee's and rejections. I haven't seen him buy a domain from NamePros in ages.
 
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Instead, Michael continues to buy better domains by purchasing aged domains, and dodging listing fee's and rejections. I haven't seen him buy a domain from NamePros in ages.
Michael said in an interview he only buys expired domains...rarely does he ever hand register. Now how can we replicate Michael's success. I am envious.
 
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Michael said in an interview he only buys expired domains.

Michael is often short on words. This may have been his strategy at one point, but it's not part of his new don't worry about the logo's, buy better names pitch. He may or may not have mentioned this, I don't know which interview you speak of. What he meant is he buys expired auction domains, such as GoDaddy CloseOut domains. These domains are not you're normal $1.49 - $9.99 hand regged domains. They cost AT MINIMUM $11 + Renewal Fee, so close to $20 per domain.

If you want to mimic his success, as a domainer, follow @Zandibot Subscribe to his blog, and follow closely to what he says. It's because of people like him that inspired me to become opensource and share nearly everything I know about domains back to the community and new brandable sellers like yourself. The hopes with this logic, is you will one day return the favor and teach me something. It's how we evolve as a community. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
 
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Ahh, I didn't realize what thread I was in. I will reread the interview and comment back if need be.
 
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I reread your comment and, might have been mistaken by what you meant.

I will continue my comments in the BrandBucket experience. I can't edit in this thread. lol I like to leave aesthetically clean posts and editing helps.
 
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With $864k:
- 1st month, you buy them all
- at the end of 2nd month you have $3M
- wait another month ($6M), buy brandroot
- wait another 2 months, buy namerific
- wait another 2 months, buy mjk names
- wait another month, renew all domains for additional 9 years
- sit back, relax, have a good laugh, then go to expireddomains.net to look for more
 
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Michael said in an interview he only buys expired domains...rarely does he ever hand register. Now how can we replicate Michael's success. I am envious.

I'm going to bed now, but just so I don't wake up regretting my response to a post I read incorrectly.

Michael is often short on words

While this may be my own personal opinion, if MK said in the interview he rarely hand regs, and only buys expired domains then this is part of his dont worry about the logo, buy better domains spiel. In this particular case he was not short on words, and if allowed, I would have edited it from the post. I apologize Michael.
 
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To elaborate on your question, I would like to know:

How many of the 29,353 domains were from free listing fee's? This includes:
  • The thousands published when BrandBucket was accepting bulk portfolios of questionable quality.
  • Michael Krells rapid growing 4,940 domains
  • Margots 2,406 domains, I see she is now adding new domains again.
  • BrandBucket ambassadors / affiliates (if not free, then discounted?)
  • The voting system (including members who still have them saved up)
  • Credits given to those who help BrandBucket
  • Premium domains that sell themselves, and you spam to solicit their listing without listing fee.
Thank you.

I have started listing some names at BB (only around 12) and must say too that the listing fee's are really a massive put off, especially when you consider others do not pay them AND monopolize the ui.

Added to that, BB rejects names that would have been approved if your name was someone else, I have seen certain members names approved when rejected ones are even better \ similar,

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And this is a strong point for me, if you spent $10 on every one of your own names on marketing you would have a good shot at having a good marketplace for yourself. (say you have 500 names, $10 x 500 = $5,000, quite a good spend on marketing).

I am all for selling on a fair platform but seeing the dominance of numbers from insiders is not helping anyone else. But at the end of the day, those sellers who sell 2 names a month, if that is enough for them then good luck.
 
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With $864k:
- 1st month, you buy them all
- at the end of 2nd month you have $3M
- wait another month ($6M), buy brandroot
- wait another 2 months, buy namerific
- wait another 2 months, buy mjk names
- wait another month, renew all domains for additional 9 years
- sit back, relax, have a good laugh, then go to expireddomains.net to look for more

Wow, thank you for a great laugh! Michael Burry might have something to say about your thoery. At a certain point, it becomes an issue of supply and demand. Their are only X amount of brandable domain buyers per X amount of quality brandable domains. The trouble becomes aggregating these great domains into one marketplace.

 
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I think if you want to have any success in selling your domains on BB you need to have over 500 domains - and that's assuming the names are of reasonable quality.
 
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I think if you want to have any success in selling your domains on BB you need to have over 500 domains - and that's assuming the names are of reasonable quality.

This, or you need to have very few domains in the premium section featured on BrandBucket. Look, let's look at what's going on. BrandBucket is spamming owners who have premium domains and offering them free listing fee, because they, as the owner knows, that these domains are great domains with organic traffic that will eventually sell themselves, regardless of the venue. Even with FREE listing fee, these sellers decline.

I get alot of spam from BrandBucket asking me to list my names with them for 30% commission, with submission fee waived. I have zero interest, the names they are after are high target names which are in the 5 figure range for sure, it seems they are trying to beef up their inventory, while continuing to decline regular users inventory of brandables.
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Hello,

My name is Michael Krell and I am the Managing Director of BrandBucket. We are the largest and most successful brandable marketplace where business go to find their perfect name. Listed names are curated and handpicked by linguist experts and listed for sale along with a logo as a ready-to-use brand. BrandBucket acts as an escrow agent between the name seller and the buyer, making the entire purchase an easy and secure process for both parties.

We see that you are the owner of XXXXXX.com which has an excellent opportunity to sell on our marketplace. We are in the midst of a major marketing push targeting founders, VC firms, and incubators with online ads, sponsorships, and mass mailings. In the last 14 months our traffic has risen 400% and our sales have increased by multiple folds year-over-year.

We would suggest listing XXXXXX.com for $19,995 and after commissions your take-home amount will be approximately $13,997 (70% of listing price)

Our sign-up and submission process is very straight-forward:

  1. Follow the link below to register as a seller.
    https://www.brandbucket.com/user/register/domain_owner/
  2. Click on the green “Add Domains +” button on your seller dashboard.
  3. Submit the name(s) you wish to sell on BrandBucket
  4. Once approved, you will receive an email instructing you on your next steps. These steps include:
    1. Increasing or decreasing the suggested amount by 20%
    2. Providing any relevant information to our editors about what the name means to you.
    3. Selecting a logo reward between $100-$500 that will be awarded only if the name sells.
    4. Changing the name’s namerservers or forwarding the name to BrandBucket. **We will be happy to waive our regular $10 listing fee for this domain.**
  5. Once those steps are complete the name is sent to our editorial and design team where a description and logo is created and the name is published onto the marketplace.
In addition, we require exclusivity for all names in our marketplace and a 30-day notice for any name to be removed.

If you have any questions about us or the submission process, do not hesitate to contact me. We would love to bring you into the BrandBucket ecosystem!


Kind Regards,
Michael Krell

Not interested in receiving BrandBucket emails regarding the acceptance and pricing of additional domains? You can unsubscribe here.

Is it a bad thing for BrandBucket sellers, if @wwwweb deluded BrandBucket's premium domain section with 5 figure domains? Absolutely, not! BrandBucket should offer wwwweb free listing fee's + LESS COMMISSION. Why? Because his name is going to eventually sell, and bring in a ton of traffic along the way. Not all buyers can afford 5 figure domains, and that's when everybody else has a chance to piggy back off of wwwweb's listings to sell the average 4 figure domain. Thank you @wwwweb for sharing. It's little contributions such as the sharing of this email that will help revolutionize the industry by creating more competition and greater transparency.

@wwwweb If you haven't already, I'd consider listing those premium domains with Namerific. They will add your domains for free, feature them at start up events, and they're nonexclusive. If the domain is good enough, they've been known to be flexible with the 30% in exchange for you forwarding the domain since they are coming to understand the value of type in traffic. They have Projects/com listed live right now. For most of their domains, you can choose your price as well. Even if you don't want to forward your domain, they'll still include it in their database of brandable domains. With premium domains, you can essentially try them free of charge, and decide for yourself if it was worth listing by monitoring your traffic for any spikes and/or namerific forwarding url if you track your analytics.

Ok, good night everyone. Tomorrow, I will share the decision to rebrand from Grilled Jesus, to Grilled.
 
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It seems bb have not only linguistic problems, but math as well )

How does it work that they'd list for $19,995, the owner would take home $13,997 and still pay $100-500 for logo award? Or does it mean that for premium names BB will pay the logo fee too?
 
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Grilled, you are the Cesar Chavez of domaining. B-)
 
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I am all for selling on a fair platform but seeing the dominance of numbers from insiders is not helping anyone else. But at the end of the day, those sellers who sell 2 names a month, if that is enough for them then good luck.

Exactly, it's realizations like this that will start a movement. Feedback people, they need feedback. I know a lot of you are nervous this will effect your acceptance rating. I plead to those to shy to speak up, The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Has any other seller made in one year what MK has made in one month besides those who may have sold a premium domain in the XX,XXX - XXX,XXX level.

Added to that, BB rejects names that would have been approved if your name was someone else, I have seen certain members names approved when rejected ones are even better \ similar,

As of now, this is just a theory. Brandable domains are very subjective to a plethora of details. @Dnbolt and I have agreed to work together to conduct a study on BrandBucket rejections. We would appreciate the support of BrandBucket to open up their full database of 400,000 proposed rejections so we can fully audit the data. I urge BrandBucket if they aren't willing to relinquish the data, to hire a data scientist of their own to audit your data to account for any discrepancies that may have occurred through the process in fine tuning your approval system.

To anybody who wish to have their rejections analyzed, stay tuned for further instructions on how to submit your domains. In exchange for your cooperation, we will provide you with additional data you may not have known about your rejected domains, with possible endusers to target.


Grilled, you are the Cesar Chavez of domaining. B-)

Keith, dude, thank you. It's a tireless battle that's rooted from me feeling that I got ripped off of $1,000+ for somebody to write a few descriptions for my domains and not successfully sell them. Yes, if they had more time, they might have sold but they left me no choice but to remove my domains. It's one thing for them to ignore my concerns because running a marketplace takes A LOT of work, and frankly it's unfair for MK to battle me because I spend an unhealthy amount of time glued to the screen digging through the crumbs of data that have leaked out. They have a full time job to run the marketplace. I hope to have a full time job, like Michael, as a BrandBucket seller, but I soon realized the system would not be a viable long term solution as a volume domainer trying to compete with Michael. So here I am speaking up, and I urge all of you too.

If nott noticed already, I have a similar condition to Michael Burry so I can't tell you enough how much I appreciate the support @Keith DeBoer. I sincerely apologize to anybody I may have offended during my crusade for a better industry. I followed in the footsteps of certain domainers I shouldn't have, and I now know that is no excuse for some of my posts. Listen to others advice, but question it, and decide for yourself what type of domainer you want to be.

I strive to be like @Zandibot. I know I promote him a lot, but I feel he deserves it. He is the real master of the HandReg. Michael Krell, can you imagine what you could accomplish if you teamed up with somebody like Ali?! He would turn your former blog, HandReg.com into a very valuable domain :D

Ok, it's 9:00 AM. I'm going to try and get some rest now. It's been a long night for me...

 
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We'd like to buy a portfolio of a min of 50 to 500 BB published names - no more that 8 letters and at least 6 mo. left on reg. Send us a note please.
 
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To those questioning my integrity and the integrity of BrandBucket, I will repeat that no names associated with myself, Margot or any Brand Ambassadors receive any special treatment in any search results or category listings.These names are also not disproportionately suggested to potential buyers if they contact us directly about helping them choose a name. All these names are treated exactly the same as every other name on the marketplace. Neither Margot or myself handle sales inquiries and when our sales staff is asked by the buyer for suggestions, they do not see who owns the domains when searching through the inventory.

Yes, some of us question the integrity, but you're missing the point if you think special treatment in search results / categories is our only concern. This is an unproven speculative concern that derives from a time when your ambassador told sellers to focus on domain categories and tags, not logo's. This is something that the average seller has no access to that could could skew search results / categories.

If you focus on the operative words, our concern is the special treatment you and your insiders receive. It is an issue of Tomato, Zomato. You say we don't receive special treatment by X, I say you receive special treatment by Y. Saying you don't receive special treatment for X does not negate that you receive special treatment Y. You are a master of words. Please don't be short with them.

We have real concerns, we would like real answers to. Thank you very much Michael for your time, I understand a lot has been presented. Your time is valuable as a director, and I don't expect answers immediately. I'm sure DTD BrandBucket tasks take precedent over PR and Policy concerns. I continually urge you to take a closer look at what is being presented to you.

We'd like to buy a portfolio of a min of 50 to 500 BB published names - no more that 8 letters and at least 6 mo. left on reg. Send us a note please.

I have domains that meet your criteria if you're interested. You'll have to message me, since I can't PM you for some reason. The domains have been removed from BrandBucket so you can list them elsewhere or relist them (fee's have been paid) if you would like.

^ If I resell the domains, yes, my listing fee's are longer wasted. This is the benefit of having a strong marketplace without integrity questions. If BrandBucket loses integrity, then resellers will become less interested in the fact the domain is brandbucket invested. Was it as easy to get a domain on BrandBucket when the voting system was around? No. That was the sell point. It was an exclusive inventory. When listing fee's were no longer free, sellers seemed OK investing into the system because reseller value included the $10 fee + value of domain with sale which was way more than the avg $20 - $50 range we see today .

The BB experience thread contains many examples of sellers congratulating others for reporting their sales. The invested community unselfishly see's sales as a sign of Marketplace Success, and not that a tagrted buyer chose ExampleZo over ExampleZa. When we are all invested, and a reseller market ensues, a 10% sell through rate is good for all. If none of my 100 BB domains sell, then I can easily sell a few of these sought after domains to a BB seller who was fortunate enough to make BB sales that year. BrandBuckets biggest seller doesnt buy these domains, he wil approve your domains for listing fee's and focuses on only buying new domains since, well why should he pay listing fees if he doesnt have to. Sure, he makes enough sales, where he should, but I have no idea what he does and doesn't do. The benefit of being able to resell of these domains allows me to renew the ones that didn't. Is there a reason a reseller should by my BrandBucket published domain? Is there a chance it will never sell, and the new buyer will have to keep passing it off or renew for years? Yes. Is it possible the accepted a bad domain just like they rejected a good domain? Sure, it is. Brandable domains are suggestive. The point of having equally distributed sales is to ensure a fair playing field for all.

If none of my 100 BB domains sell, I can sell 24 BB domains at current BB published value, $30 varies by remaining reg time and quality/keyword of domain. The resale value shows, there is still some value to a BrandBucket domain. If the average acceptance rate is 25%, then one could either buy (a) 4 domains + listing fee (b) BB accepted domain + listing fee (c) BrandBucket published domain. Come to find sales are not distributed equally, and there are several sellers receiving free listing fee's and other advantages similar to MK. What got me most as a newcomer was seeing Michael Krell would report several sales every month on the BB experience thread. He was the owner of HandReg blog, was experiencing great BB success, so like other noobs that come before us today, I too wanted to be like Mike. After analyzing the data that's leaked out, I want to be a whistle blower like Michael Burry to hopefully prevent a bubble - a bubble does not hurt insiders not invested in listing fee's as it would hurt outsiders who are invested in listing fees. IMO,

The below video's are clips from The Big Short. Granted, the video is talking about mortgage default bonds (the USA real estate bubble of 2008) It explains what happens when you allow people to invest in an unstable industry.

In this example: The rating agency S&P was forced to give the bonds a good rating, or else the banks would take their business to a competitor for rating. It is important for rating agencies to have integrity because of the trickle down investing that follows.

How does this apply to domains if:
Rating Agency: BrandBucket
Bonds: Domains
Banks: Domain Investors:
Trickled down investors affected most: Noobs, who have done nothing wrong but want more BB domains to emulate BB's biggest sellers success.


Just how listing fee's are designed to pay for the time of BB, we have domain purchases and renewal fees to pay for every year BrandBucket fails to sell our domain. All bonds need to be graded with integrity or else:


The jenga collapse will not be overnight. If done done with proper growth and integrity, there will be no bubble bursting. IMO, the bubble will burst if the size of the marketplace total published domains X renewal fee becomes disproportionate to amount of total sales. Several other factors will of course come into play, but if continued, the system is designed for the rich to get richer, and the poorer to make just enough to hope for a lucky day. Just as Michael doesn't buy BrandBucket domains from resellers, he waits for them to drop, and publish himself without listing fee. He can afford to do this because (a) he has a continual and unfair access to privy data such as dropped BB domains (b) he makes enough sales marginally to not have to worry about a bad month that effects our investing strategy. We have to wait for sales, and then we can begin publishing the hundreds of BrandBucket approved domains some of us have. We waste months of renewal time having the domain sit without marketplace, just to afford a listing fee. Why does BrandBucket care about a listing fee when they set up a system that is more expensive for these outsiders to compete with in the first place? Other leading marketplaces, some not open to all sellers, adopt these practices as industry standard because BB was able to get away with it for so long.


When sellers begin losing trust in the marketplace, they begin evaluating which domains have they lowest chance of yielding a BrandBucket return, and they begin to sell off domains. They put these domains in a stew, and say, "This stew was good enough to be sold on BrandBucket's menu. There's still good meat in there, but I'm either too full and/or would rather trade my stew for your bread. Our head chef won't buy our meat because hes too busy buying fresh fish for the same price."

I have heard, but never tested, you can pay $5 listing fee's at BrandRoot if you provide a high quality logo, and they don't charge you a logo fee. @Brandroot, if this is true, thank you for allowing for a fair option and changing these industry standards. Namerific does similar things with completely free listing fee's but in my eyes, being nonexclusive they are a completely different marketplace than an exclusive marketplaces like BrandRoot and BrandBucket. For instance NR has domains like Magical/Weed.com (not mine) and GoldenTequila.com (mine). I had to pay a $5 listing fee for GoldenTequila, I'm fine with it because not only did they design a concept logo and include it on their marketplace, I can sell it on all the other nonexclusive marketplaces or even WHOIS request. I think it's wrong for buyers to go around marketplaces, and buy domains via WHOIS but we all do it. If we have a client looking for a marketplace domain, as a domainer, we know we can trade and/or buy the domain at reseller price. It's the benefit of being a domainer active in the community. Domainers know that if they email the domain owner, they can get the domain for less than marketplace by trusting paypal or using escrow to handle the transaction and/or quick sale under asking price. It's wrong, but we know it happens with all marketplaces. Endusers are seperated from domainers. Want a domain at a great price? Become and/or hire a domainer. I think the reason marketplace have these requirements is to prevent anything like Domaining.com tried to pull with their recent promotion BrandRoot explained in below paragraph. Back to the point Domains like Magical Weed and Golden Tequilla are obviously not the typical cookie cutter domains you see at BR and BB. I could be wrong about BrandRoot but I've never seen any booze or buds on BrandBucket. I will detail this further in a new thread later this month, but the point is every marketplace has it's niche. We, a community of sellers and marketplaces aligned, can all benefit if we found a way to work together. granted BrandRoot doesn't accept all sellers but they have their reasons...

I don't know who caught the recent Domaining.com story about the email email that first promoted BrandRoot for selling them a great CVCV for a great price, then two days later, sent out an email bashing them for not honoring the sale, and that they contacted the domain owner and the CVCV can be now found on their marketplace. Sounds grilly to me, but it's not my place to get involved in a marketplace vs marketplace issue. I can only speculate. There's a NamePros thread that explains it more in detail. As a cynical outsider, I wondered if the domaining.com guy had noticed a CVCV.com for a great price, and as any domainer would to try to steal a domain for a great price by going around the marketplace, and attempt the buyer to sell it to them for less. Perhaps the new owner was shocked to find their CVCV listed on BR when it was not their domain. The whole thing confused me because I thought BR required forwarding through URL. I understand how this mistake could have occurred using NS. For instance, when I bought an expired domain from Namesilo, I had to manually change the nameservers so my domain is automatically forwarded to the old nameservers still included with the transfer. BR was pretty quick to delist my domain when I mistakenly made a bulk nameserver change that effected a BR published domain, so yeah. Anyways, this is a grilling for another day.

The industry is changing people. More data, more fun @Dnbolt
 
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BrandBucket isn't stupid. They aren't going to let their marketplace blow up in their face. If you don't like the way they operate, don't do business with them. I don't know enough about how they are giving preferential treatment to some users or themselves. Maybe you are right about that. Where's this leaked data, by the way?

I don't see how "giving loans to anybody with a credit score and a pulse" is similar to what BrandBucket is doing. They receive entries, and then they decide what to accept based on what they think will sell. They aren't just accepting any domain. If they see that sales are going down, they will adjust their criteria for acceptance (to be more strict), right? It's your choice to hand register a domain. It's your choice to submit it to BrandBucket. If it's actually a good name, it might get accepted and even sell there. Nobody can guarantee that though. You might get unlucky and hardly ever sell anything because brandables are so subjective.

"We have to wait for sales, and then we can begin publishing the hundreds of BrandBucket approved domains some of us have."
If you didn't have the money to PUBLISH all the domains that you submitted to BrandBucket (and that got accepted), why did you buy them in the first place?? Bit off more than you can chew, if you ask me.

I might be wrong about all that. I didn't really understand your argument about it being like a bubble :( Looks like other people did though so that's good :p
By the way, if you really want to spread ideas or push a movement, short and to the point works much better than this, imo ;) People only have so much time and attention in their day. Most can't sit and read these really long rants that are sometimes hard to follow. You just need undeniable facts and a short, persuasive message.
I guess saying that "makes [me] a hypocrite" ;) given how long this post was.
 
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When I first started with Bb, their standard of approval was much more difficult. Maybe this is because, I am now a better domainer, IDK. It appears others have also experienced an easier time having their domains approved for BB. This could be due to BB changing the approval process to account for sales trends, or this could be due to a change in business plan like other larger marketplaes have found. More domains = More sales.


BrandBucket isn't stupid.

I don't think BrandBucket is stupid either. They make a lot of money, and in the even they lose sellers, they will still have their ranking, clients, and insider sellers. They don't need listing fee's if they truly have buyers for their sellers. If they need thiese listing fee's for operating costs, than personally, I want a transparent marketplace, with equally distributed sales.

It's your choice to hand register a domain. It's your choice to submit it to BrandBucket. If it's actually a good name, it might get accepted and even sell there.

This is the mindset that gets noob investors in trouble with listing fee's. Personally, I don't find any difficulty in hand regging a domain good enough to be brandbucket invested. I can then flip these domains to anybody who have bought into they hype that a brandable domain isn't good, unless BrandBucket accepts it. Yes, they always say just because a domain doesnt make it to BB doesn't mean it's not a good domain. I can now list this domain with other marketplaces. My problem is when we have an industry leader who sets the rules, and other marketplaces follow because nobody complained about BrandBuckets margins. My main argument is the margins. If the margins aren't right, I don't see why I should turn my domains into brandbucket invested domains.

If you didn't have the money to PUBLISH all the domains that you submitted to BrandBucket (and that got accepted), why did you buy them in the first place?? Bit off more than you can chew, if you ask me.

Thank you for questioning me. Don't take anything any forum member says with out motive, even when there appears not to be one. More people need to begin asking questions like you. You moght be on ti something here, you might not. The point is you're asking questions, and now people can ask themselves, this same question about me, or themselves. I wish I could reveal my inside sources, however, unless they choose to reveal themselves, I have promised to keep their identities a secret. I only respond to public posts, despite what I may wish to post from private emails. Because the chances of my private emails are the chances of hilarys private emails getting leaked, you, myself, or others will have to force BB to be transparent with all their information if they expect us, or just me, to invest in their company via listing fee's.

I might be wrong about all that. I didn't really understand your argument about it being like a bubble :( Looks like other people did though so that's good :P

I don't expect many people to understand the bubble. It is not something that appears to be coming anytime soon, as BrandBucket, currently appears to be the leading brandable domain seller by volume of any of the major brandable marketplaces. My point was they are growing at a rate faster than any other marketplace. Some of us are fully invested in domain purchases / renewals, and some of us are invested equally in listing fee's, domain purchases, and renewals. Some of BBs highest sellers have not invested into the traditional sense of $10 listing fee's.

By the way, if you really want to spread ideas or push a movement, short and to the point works much better than this, imo ;) People only have so much time and attention in their day. Most can't sit and read these really long rants that are sometimes hard to follow. You just need undeniable facts and a short, persuasive message.
I guess saying that "makes [me] a hypocrite" ;) given how long this post was.

I know many hypocrites on this forum, and as of now, I have not seen or talked to you enough to know if you are or aren't. To me, you are somebody who asks questions. You appear one who doesn't take kindly to ridiculous far fetched statements, unless all evidence, and facts are presented. I welcome people like you into the conversation.

I, as well as you, know BrandBucket isn't stupid. A bubble is IMO not good for their long lasting business. Contrary to what people may believe, I don't want a bubble. I make don't profit from a bubble, and a bubble bursting is not good for the industry given the current potential chinese bubble we're already potentially sitting on. I am trying to bring some things to light before it gets out of hand, to the point, where a bubble is much more likely.

My thing is, there is some merit to what BrandRoot is doing by limiting their sellers. The size of their marketplace is not grown off of perks and/or special treatment. I COULD be wrong about this, and if so, I welcome anybody to bring forth any data that will enlighten others and bring forth a more transparent industry. They receive a lot of slack for not opening up to all sellers, but, IMO, this protects their sellers initial listing fee's and prevents a reseller market from sparking off where noob sellers can easily be taken advantage of. I preach I had 3 hand reg sales on BrandBucket. Time will tell, but even with the 3 BB sales, when you include listing fee's for all of my approved and published BB domains, the margins are not good. Maybe, I should have grown at a slower rate, and watched my competitors register domains in my niche to have approved to BB.

BrandBucket isn't stupid. They aren't going to let their marketplace blow up in their face. If you don't like the way they operate, don't do business with them. I don't know enough about how they are giving preferential treatment to some users or themselves. Maybe you are right about that. Where's this leaked data, by the way?

I don't see how "giving loans to anybody with a credit score and a pulse" is similar to what BrandBucket is doing. They receive entries, and then they decide what to accept based on what they think will sell. They aren't just accepting any domain. If they see that sales are going down, they will adjust their criteria for acceptance (to be more strict), right? It's your choice to hand register a domain. It's your choice to submit it to BrandBucket. If it's actually a good name, it might get accepted and even sell there. Nobody can guarantee that though. You might get unlucky and hardly ever sell anything because brandables are so subjective.

"We have to wait for sales, and then we can begin publishing the hundreds of BrandBucket approved domains some of us have."
If you didn't have the money to PUBLISH all the domains that you submitted to BrandBucket (and that got accepted), why did you buy them in the first place?? Bit off more than you can chew, if you ask me.

I might be wrong about all that. I didn't really understand your argument about it being like a bubble :( Looks like other people did though so that's good :P
By the way, if you really want to spread ideas or push a movement, short and to the point works much better than this, imo ;) People only have so much time and attention in their day. Most can't sit and read these really long rants that are sometimes hard to follow. You just need undeniable facts and a short, persuasive message.
I guess saying that "makes [me] a hypocrite" ;) given how long this post was.

I have much more to say, but, I understand your point. Per the logic that less is more, I will leave you with the final example video from the big short, and take a few days off, so BB, and the community can have an opportunity to respond. Thank you again for reading, processing, questioning, and then using what you know to formulate an opinion of your own.

 
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@michaeljkrell

What are the more popular keywords that seem to either get accepted for listing on BB or that sell more than others.

Cheers
 
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