poll Would you take the Covid Vaccine when it becomes available

[oldtimer]

The only way to end this Pandemic is if the majority of the people around the World get vaccinated.

It's amazing that several vaccines have already been developed in record time and thus far they all show very good results as far as creating some level of immunity against Covid19 without causing any major side effects and supposedly even if those who have been vaccinated come down with the disease it won't be at the more severe levels that require hospitalization.

There are many companies that are working on the vaccine although the top contenders currently are Moderna, Pfizer, and AstraZeneca:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...d-vaccine-heres-what-we-know-them/6308571002/


I personally would be first in line to get the vaccine as I am in the older category with some history of heart problems and although I believe that everyone should be free to make their own choices, but this will only be effective in stopping the Pandemic if the majority of the people (like over 80% or so) get vaccinated.

Please do your own research about the vaccines and indicate your choice in the poll (visible to all) and post any justification for your decision as to whether you are going to get the vaccine or not below.

IMO

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[oldtimer]

Yes, but as the CDC says, even mixing mRNA vaccines have no been evaluated. Although they are pretty similar, they have been developed by different labs and even if they target and replicate the same "spike protein" they don't do it identically. The only way to follow is to give the same second shot of the same vaccine. Anything else would be not correct, and it's clearly not correct what the UK statement say.

I agree,

If UK is going to do it anyway I hope that they at least have done some research and trials on it otherwise it's taking a big gamble on their part.

I wonder what Pfizer and Moderna themselves have to say about this.

IMO

 

[DOMAIN ILLUMINATI]

There are probably no "viruses" at all and if so, then they are most likely not the source of a disease.
The brainwashing goes much deeper (and starts much earlier) than most can imagine.
Instead of buying and distributing "vaccinations" and masks, the governments should ban unhealthy foods (and cigarettes, of course).

 

[Cannuck]

UK allows mixing COVID-19 vaccines as experts warn of risks

" The UK protocol now states that a person can receive their follow-up COVID-19 jab with a different vaccine candidate to their first dose, if necessary. "

Mixing innoculations will be dangerous. The medical profession must be better informed and the public ought to know of the risks. I know a pediactric doctor that had his medical license revoked and lost his practice for doing just that.

 

[oldtimer]

Mixing innoculations will be dangerous. The medical profession must be better informed and the public ought to know of the risks. I know a pediactric doctor that had his medical license revoked and lost his practice for doing just that.

But this is not just one doctor wanting to do it.

as it says in the article:

" British health officials will now allow people to mix COVID-19 vaccines "

As I said earlier I am interested to know what Pfizer and Moderna themselves have to say about this.

IMO

 

[Corey]

Unfortunately the Pfizer vaccine is not yet available in Australia.

The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine has not been approved or licensed by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), but has been authorized for emergency use by FDA under an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) to prevent Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) for use in individuals 16 years of age and older. The emergency use of this product is only authorized for the duration of the declaration that circumstances exist justifying the authorization of emergency use of the medical product under Section 564(b)(1) of the FD&C Act unless the declaration is terminated or authorization revoked sooner. Please see EUA Fact Sheet at www.cvdvaccine.com.

 

[frank-germany]

"The BNT162b mRNA vaccine has this digital code at its heart. It is 4284 characters long, so it would fit in a bunch of tweets. At the very beginning of the vaccine production process, someone uploaded this code to a DNA printer (yes), which then converted the bytes on disk to actual DNA molecules.

Out of such a machine come tiny amounts of DNA, which after a lot of biological and chemical processing end up as RNA (more about which later) in the vaccine vial. A 30 microgram dose turns out to actually contain 30 micrograms of RNA. In addition, there is a clever lipid (fatty) packaging system that gets the mRNA into our cells." .... read on


http://www.franks.info/biontec-impfstoff-wie-funktioniert-er/

( how exactly does the Biontec/Pfizer mRNA vaccine work? )

 

[oldtimer]

Just an opinion:

Even though the mRNA vaccines are supposed to be a marvel of technology and that it was almost a miracle that they were developed in less than a year, but right now it appears that the biggest problem is to actually being able to get these vaccines into people's arms (at least for those who want them).

Every day that goes by matters as thousands more people end up getting hospitalized with a noticeable number of them probably not being able to survive their ordeal.

We need to press the reset button and bring this vaccination program under control before we get to the end of the month if we want to get to the Herd Immunity by this summer.

There has to be coordination, cooperation, brainstorming, support, and assistance at all levels and all the stops have to be pulled in order to get the vaccination program back on its way.

There is not another minute to be wasted pointing fingers at others and playing the blame game. Whatever problems there are that are causing the delays in the vaccination program have to be addressed and resolved before the end of the week otherwise some heads have to roll and people who are found to be complacent in causing all these delays have to be held accountable and possibly replaced if they are not up to the task at hand because this is a matter of life and death for many and can not be treated like business as usual.

IMO

 

[rh2000]

HOAX

the NURSe Tiffany Dover is from Tennessee not from Alabama

Wrong.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1341420129259810822

 

[lambo.com]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1343673202971717644

 

[Compassion]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1343673202971717644

He looks like a weary man wary of being tied to a whipping post soon.

 

[oldtimer]

Another opinion:

In these critical times it's hard to know whom to trust and what to believe.

Unfortunately there are some people in the social and news media who are hard at work trying to mislead and confuse the masses because they have their own agendas that differ from what the average person might think as far as trying to save their fellow human beings from pain, hardship, and death.

These people all have a playbook that they go by and some even have a support group behind the scene that provides them with a barrage of false information and tactics in order to influence and control the masses for their own ill conceived purposes whether its at a small forum like ours or at the national and global levels.

These people who some might even be paid agents always seem to want to put others down intellectually and psychologically in order to make themselves look as if they are the only ones who have a monopoly on the truth because no one else could match their great wisdom. Although when faced with a logical opponent who wants to hold them accountable for their lack of knowledge and expertise that they claim to have they always deflect the argument by resorting to making personal attacks and using subliminal intimidation tactics.

They portray themselves as the angles of harmony and peace, but they are always the first to have a rope in hand when they see an opportunity to silence those whom they don't agree with.

It seems like there are a lot of people around who want to mislead others for one reason or another, but the only way to see the truth and find the right path forward is through the kind of thinking that is based on Logic and Compassion.

IMO

 

[poweredbyme]

the BionTec/ Pfizer and the Moderna vaccine does NOT contain any part of the virus

The vaccine made by China has. But they haven't completed phase 3 tests yet.

 

[topdom]

Another opinion:

In these critical times it's hard to know whom to trust and what to believe.


IMO

We know who not to trust.

Don't trust BillGates because he owns a closed-source evil operating system, and talks about reducing population via vaccination.

Don't trust FDA because it killed doctors who were curing cancer naturally with gcmaf.
Don't trust rest of the bigpharma either.

Don't trust mainstream media because they lied about sept 11 attacks, and they very well knew what happened, because they did it.

Don't trust Biden because he stole the election.

Don't trust Rumsfeld's remdesivir, because he made Iraq war based on lies.

Don't trust western corona vaccines, because western swine flue vaccine was unnecessary and caused permanent damage on thousands of people.

 

[oldtimer]

We know who not to trust.

Don't trust BillGates because he owns a closed-source evil operating system, and talks about reducing population via vaccination.

Don't trust FDA because it killed doctors who were curing cancer naturally with gcmaf.
Don't trust rest of the bigpharma either.

Don't trust mainstream media because they lied about sept 11 attacks, and they very well knew what happened, because they did it.

Don't trust Biden because he stole the election.

Don't trust Rumsfeld's remdesivir, because he made Iraq war based on lies.

Don't trust western corona vaccines, because western swine flue vaccine was unnecessary and caused permanent damage on thousands of people.

In Today's World where everyone has some kind of an agenda it's best for people to get as much info from as many different sources as they can so that they can make their own logical conclusions,

Never rely on the info from just one source.

IMO

 

[frank-germany]

The vaccine made by China has. But they haven't completed phase 3 tests yet.

thats is wrong

there are at least 3 different vaccines in china

2 of them using part of the virus - sinopharm and sinovax
1 not - cansino

 

[Sutruk]

In Today's World where everyone has some kind of an agenda it's best for people to get as much info from as many different sources as they can so that they can make their own logical conclusions,

Never rely on the info from just one source.

IMO

Education is the only way to go. And when I say education, I mean real education, college, degrees, certified education. The more the people is educated and have real knowledge about real science, the better.
When you have a lot of undeducated people, they are very weak to fall into conspiracy theories and other fraudsters.

It is very easy to distinguish between real science and fraudsters. For the ones willing to acquire real knowledge even if they don't have the possibility to go to a real college, there will be always books to read, biology, biochemistry, microbiology, all is there.

Unfortunately in our times there are still an incredible amount of undedutated people very easy to fall into conspiracy theories and other incredible nonsense. And the worst is that when a pandemic like this one comes, it's when these undeducated people can fall and damage all the rest of the society, as a pandemic like this one will be solved only if the most of the people follow common sense and scientific guidance, from the use of face masks to getting the vaccine.

 

[poweredbyme]

thats is wrong

there are at least 3 different vaccines in china

2 of them using part of the virus - sinopharm and sinovax
1 not - cansino

Thanks. So except cansino, vaccines made by China are inactivated virus. Agree?

 

[Compassion]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1345438326564638720

 

[Compassion]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1345333909316366339

 

[Sutruk]

"The BNT162b mRNA vaccine has this digital code at its heart. It is 4284 characters long, so it would fit in a bunch of tweets. At the very beginning of the vaccine production process, someone uploaded this code to a DNA printer (yes), which then converted the bytes on disk to actual DNA molecules.

Out of such a machine come tiny amounts of DNA, which after a lot of biological and chemical processing end up as RNA (more about which later) in the vaccine vial. A 30 microgram dose turns out to actually contain 30 micrograms of RNA. In addition, there is a clever lipid (fatty) packaging system that gets the mRNA into our cells." .... read on


http://www.franks.info/biontec-impfstoff-wie-funktioniert-er/

( how exactly does the Biontec/Pfizer mRNA vaccine work? )

Thanks Your source describes the process very well:

https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/reverse-engineering-source-code-of-the-biontech-pfizer-vaccine/

"The idea of a vaccine is to teach our immune system how to fight a pathogen, without us actually getting ill. Historically this has been done by injecting a weakened or incapacitated (attenuated) virus, plus an ‘adjuvant’ to scare our immune system into action. This was a decidedly analogue technique involving billions of eggs (or insects). It also required a lot of luck and loads of time. Sometimes a different (unrelated) virus was also used.

An mRNA vaccine achieves the same thing (‘educate our immune system’) but in a laser like way. And I mean this in both senses - very narrow but also very powerful.

So here is how it works. The injection contains volatile genetic material that describes the famous SARS-CoV-2 ‘Spike’ protein. Through clever chemical means, the vaccine manages to get this genetic material into some of our cells.

These then dutifully start producing SARS-CoV-2 Spike proteins in large enough quantities that our immune system springs into action. Confronted with Spike proteins, and (importantly) tell-tale signs that cells have been taken over, our immune system develops a powerful response against multiple aspects of the Spike protein AND the production process.

And this is what gets us to the 95% efficient vaccine."

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Something that article doen't tell is about the superior immune response of the mRNA vaccines over the traditional vaccines. The mRNA vaccines besides producing high amounts of antibodies against the virus spike protein, they also produce an interesting amount of T-cells, that make a very important work fighting against the virus. The traditional vaccines don't seem to produce this amount of T-cells against the virus.

 

[oldtimer]

The biggest advantage that the mRNA vaccines have over the old fashioned vaccines is the fact that they can be tweaked easily to be able to handle any future strains of the virus.

Also the same technology can be used to create a platform to tackle the many other viruses that have been ailing humans for so long.

IMO

 

[poweredbyme]

But some doctors say traditional vaccines are safe as it's an old well tested technology.

The biggest advantage that the mRNA vaccines have over the old fashioned vaccines is the fact that they can be tweaked easily to be able to handle any future strains of the virus.

Also the same technology can be used to create a platform to tackle the many other viruses that have been ailing humans for so long.

IMO

 

[oldtimer]

True, but they are hard to make and are usually a lot less effective (less than 70% effective versus the mRNA vaccines that are more than 90% effective). IMO

But some doctors say traditional vaccines are safe as it's an old well tested technology.

 

[frank-germany]

Thanks. So except cansino, vaccines made by China are inactivated virus. Agree?

thy both have different approaches but basically yes

 

[poweredbyme]

I will not take mRNA vaccine. I don't think it's safe. Although I am willing to take old fashioned vaccine if/when available, some doctors says it provides protection for 6 months and needs to be repeated. Also I don't know if old fashioned vaccines work for the mutants. So vaccines, old fashioned or the new mRNA vaccines, seem like way far from ideal solution, IMHO. It's a bit depressing. I think the best solution is to keep immune system strong, wear mask and mind social distance. Perhaps, based on my gut feeling we have overvalued "current" scientific and technological solutions for the covid problem. This is a very new thing. Maybe we need to allow science some time to recognize what really it is and what the perfect solution is. Current scientific solutions are not perfect IMHO. mRNA vaccines may not be safe. Old fashioned vaccines are not effective enough.