Whypark & search engine positioning

[wrb24]

I got a little curious and started googling the article content from my sites parked with whypark and noticed that the content on my site is also on thousands of other sites. I cant say this was an exact surprise to me, however after this discovery I started digging a little more and noticed that in some cases other sites that contained the exact article content as my site had a much better position in the Google search results than did my site. A positive here was that my site was showing up in the google search results at all!!!

Also note that I took a quick look at the whoeis information for some of the other sites and many of them where active for roughly the same time as my site . Some of the other sites where also using the same whypark templates I use on my site.

My question here is, does having this heavily duplicated content on your site affect, specifically negatively affect, your sites positioning on Google and other SE’s?

Examples of why or why not would be helpful also.

Thanks,

wrb

 

[Varon]

Yeah...with around 20K whypark domains, it is bound to happen that many others are using the similar keywords and hence, pulling up the same articles. And your site SE rankings are definitely hit by the duplicate content. If you have the time and patience, I would suggest you take off all the article content by removing the [related] and [mainbody] placeholders in your html script. Replace it with a one page solid keyword rich description/review for any good affiliate product. And also use some ad networks to optimize it.

If you set yourself a goal to create 100 power packed affiliate product pitch pages, you'll surely start benefiting for a long period. And try writing your own original articles for these products. This will automatically start placing your site higher for various keyword searches. Later, you can also drive in traffic via yahoo/adwords etc to boost your product sales.

Imo, if you slowly achieve this target of a 100 power packed pages with rich fresh content promoting a 100 products, you'll definitely make atleast a dollar per site every day. That should bring you some good steady income for a lifetime. It should also help your sites get some good PR over time.

 

[jacal1]

Varon, for those of us less comfortable with html:

1. Can we just enter zero keywords for the same result?

2. How exactly do we then enter our own homepage content - adding custom pages is easy, but how do you enter content on that first page?

Thanks - rep will be added in advance! How's that for guilting you into an answer!

 

[Varon]

Customizing WhyPark Templates

Varon, for those of us less comfortable with html:

1. Can we just enter zero keywords for the same result?

2. How exactly do we then enter our own homepage content - adding custom pages is easy, but how do you enter content on that first page?

Thanks - rep will be added in advance! How's that for guilting you into an answer!

lol... its nice to share info even without the reps. Anyway here goes..

1. If you enter zero keywords, your page will stop displaying. The whypark system needs a keyword to properly function. If I need to stop displaying any articles I just enter some text like "asdfgf" which pulls up no articles. Then I just keep adding my custom articles.

2. If you want to create a 1 full content page, you just need to get rid of 2 placeholders i.e. the mainbody and related. For example ...on my site domain parking monetizing, I have removed both these placeholders and only maintained 2 divisions for my page (middle div and right div). The middle div is where my main content resides and the right div gets me some space on the right to insert some ads.

Its very easy to make this 1 page... for example here is the initial code on my DPM site.. (Calm Blue Template)

<div id="wrap">

<div id="top"></div>

<div id="content">

<div class="header">
<h1><a href="/">[[sitename]]</a></h1>
</div>

<div class="breadcrumbs">
<b><a href="mailto:[email protected]" target="outside">Advertise Here</a></b>
</div>

<div class="middle">
<br>
<script language="JavaScript1.2" src="http://www.altavista.com/static/scripts/translate_engl.js"></script>
<br>
<br>
<font color="3b6ebf"><b><u>Domain Parking Monetizing. Monetize Domains. Increase Domain Revenue
</u></b></font>
<p>
your text
</p>
<p>
your text

</p>

</div> -------> I'm ending the main body here

Now my right div...

<div class="right">
<p>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<center>
<script type="text/javascript" src="http://feedjit.com/serve/?bc=E8F6BE&tc=666666&brd1=C4C4C4&lnk=666666&hc=7F7F7F&ww=160"></script><noscript><a href="http://feedjit.com/">FEEDJIT Live traffic feed</a></noscript>
</center>
</div> ------> Here ends my right div

<div id="clear"></div>

</div>

<div id="bottom"></div>

</div>

<div id="footer">
[[whypark]] | <a href="/site-map.cfm">Site Map</a> | <a href="/">Home</a>
</div>

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Thats it. And you separate each paragraph with the <p> element. Simple.. No need for extensive html expertise here.

Hope this helped.

 

[NPKJB]

Varon,

Do you use WhyPark for all of your domains?

I just started in the domain name business a week ago and chose WhyPark because of its easy setup. Plus I figured the search engines would have some content to index so it sounded better than just parking my domains. But now that you brought up the fact that there are 20k+ domains using the same content, this WhyPark.com idea of mine seems pretty stupid now.

I added some content to a few of my sites ( like www. rawvegandiets .com )but didn't think of taking out all the copy and writing my own. This would be VERY time consuming and extra time is not something I have!

I guess I'll have to look into your suggestions further and see what I can come up with. To say that I am a little discouraged now is an understatment.

By the way......Thanks for the info!

 

[Varon]

Varon,

Do you use WhyPark for all of your domains?

I just started in the domain name business a week ago and chose WhyPark because of its easy setup. Plus I figured the search engines would have some content to index so it sounded better than just parking my domains. But now that you brought up the fact that there are 20k+ domains using the same content, this WhyPark.com idea of mine seems pretty stupid now.

I added some content to a few of my sites ( like www. rawvegandiets .com )but didn't think of taking out all the copy and writing my own. This would be VERY time consuming and extra time is not something I have!

I guess I'll have to look into your suggestions further and see what I can come up with. To say that I am a little discouraged now is an understatment.

By the way......Thanks for the info!

I have around 45 domains on WP. The rest are parked because they are adult names.

Its not very disheartening actually. The multiple article replications generally occur for high volume keywords like debt, credit cards, stocks etc. I have certain keywords on technology and diet which don't have as many competing articles.

Btw, you don't need to manually write every article of your own. There are many article networks which have fresh content everyday and these aren't subscribed to by RSS feeds. You can use them, giving their due relevant backlinks to the original author. That way your site still has new content without much effort. Just use the custom article feature for this.

 

[nscdn]

I guess I'll have to look into your suggestions further and see what I can come up with. To say that I am a little discouraged now is an understatment.

I wouldn't fret yet NPKJB. I have been doing a lot of reading in regards to google and duplicate content over the last couple of months, and the only conclusion that I can come up with is that only the google people really know. I have heard people swear that you will be penalized for duplicate content. Of course I have also heard others swear that you will not. As usual, the best thing to do is try things out yourself.

Here is an article that talks about why duplicate content is not harmful...

Good Luck!

 

[nscoville]

I've noticed that having a good descriptive title (not too too long or keywordy) for my whypark sites will create a unique title for that page on the internet. Even though the content on the page may be the same, the different page title makes it show up for different searches. So if the article title is "make money online", and my sites title is "the mega riches site", then I will have a whypark page with the title: "make money online - the mega riches site". And this page will turn up in searches that other whyparkers page won't, even though they are using the same article, the unique title makes it a unique page on the internet! If you search for a whole sentence or title from an article, of course you'll find 20,000 others out there, but that's not how people search.

 

[wrb24]

I wouldn't fret yet NPKJB. I have been doing a lot of reading in regards to google and duplicate content over the last couple of months, and the only conclusion that I can come up with is that only the google people really know. I have heard people swear that you will be penalized for duplicate content. Of course I have also heard others swear that you will not. As usual, the best thing to do is try things out yourself.

Here is an article that talks about why duplicate content is not harmful...

Good Luck!

Great reference article Nscdn. I think I will need to do a little more research on this topic before concluding how duplicate content does in fact affect a sites search position however this article certainly makes it seem not to be as bad as I originally thought.

On my original test example the difference in position between my site and another whypark site, with obvious similar keywords and title, was more than a dozen search pages. The comparison site was on page one and mine showed up many pages later. I would love to know what drives this positioning. I am going to leave my site as is and watch the positioning over the next few weeks and if I note any meaningful differences I will share them with the team here.

Thanks all for the comments.

Wrb

 

[nantech1]

Varon:
Can you elaborate on using ad networks to optimize your pages? Where can you locate them? How do you decide which ones are suitable? What are the financial arrangements (if any)? Thanks in advance.

 

[jcorkern]

I would love to know what drives this positioning.

High quality inbound links is 80% of top search engine positions if the onpage is similar.

Hence the term "link popularity" It is like a democracy. links are like votes and the one with the most high quality votes wins.

You have to look at the search engines like a city government. the mayor has the most powerfull vote in town, then the council members(depending on your towns government) and then the people.

The best links would be from other mayors(sites already in the top 10 for related keywords). then simi related links from high PR sites would be the council members, and then the general population.

Now, do not fear, you can get a bunch of council member votes(links) by writing and distributing articles. What Just make sure that at least one of your keywords are in the title of the article and the content. This makes it a related link. even though it is low PR to start, it is highly related and therefore worth more to the search engines than a general link from anywhere.

Once you go through a few updates, the articles will gain PR on the sites they are on and build in power. and , you just built a mayor link.


If you want top positions, build high quality links to your sites and you will soon reap the rewards.

By the way, I am the one that wrote the article you are speaking of.

 

[gwkg]

There is a difference between duplicate content and a duplicate web site.

Two sites publishing the same article are not automatically penalized by Google. If that was the case, that would be the end of AP & Reuters online news business.

Multiple URLs with the exact same code is what Google has a problem with.