.tv Why Removing Premium Matters: An open Question?

[DU]

Just wondering why everyone is so enamored by the notion that some significant dot commers care about .TV.

So here's a blog entry that describes what I'm wondering:

» .TV – Premiums and the Regular Fan Blogging, Not Just for Losers

 

[discovernow]

It's human behavior that most people are "followers" and when they see others that are well known doing something, it sparks interest. You see that in stocks, real estate, domains, fashion, etc. However, that is a short-term effect, not a long term effect. Many other factors to consider for long-term.

I started registering .tv in 2000 and it's been a long 10 years, but I feel better than ever about .tv.

Thanks, Jim

 

[Vito]

I can't believe you polluted your stellar nuclear fusion based blog with domaining...
and then on top of it you were foolish enough to leave a comment box! LOL

I left a little reply.

 

[Ammudamus]

More or less, the blind sheep factor. Folks feel comfortable when their decisions are justified or that there is a possibility of a positive end result. Unfortunately, by the time these entrants come into the marketplace, the money has already been made. This also results in poor registrations.

Best,
A

It's human behavior that most people are "followers" and when they see others that are well known doing something, it sparks interest. You see that in stocks, real estate, domains, fashion, etc. However, that is a short-term effect, not a long term effect. Many other factors to consider for long-term.

I started registering .tv in 2000 and it's been a long 10 years, but I feel better than ever about .tv.

Thanks, Jim

 

[Jeff]

It's all just a bunch of hype and CHATTER ... nothing will change for the ccTLD ".TV" unless there is unique, stand-alone developments and "ecosystem" (which is why we are presently tracking who the 'buyers' are in the recent Sedo .TV auction, as well as their development plans)! :yell:
Absent these exciting, video-centric type developments, 10+/+ more years of sideways movement and general aftermarket malaise (including further questions, confusion, and potential legalities with the pricing of the existing "Premium" Legacy domains)! :imho:

Just my two sense,
Jeff

 

[biggie]

if .tv regs were $8 a pop, i could maybe understand some of the mass-hype-nosis that is going on ....but .tv costs more than $8!!


so when renewal time hits the fan, how many fans will still be a waving?

 

[freedom30]

Just wondering why everyone is so enamored by the notion that some significant dot commers care about .TV.

So here's a blog entry that describes what I'm wondering:

» .TV – Premiums and the Regular Fan Blogging, Not Just for Losers

Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU!

 

[mwzd]

I didn't really get your blog post, but viz the topic of this thread - removing premium matters basically because of simple economics.

TCO or total cost of ownership of a $1k/yr premium renewal domain over a 10 year life cycle would cost $10k. Now the same domain is available for a one time payment of say $500 and $25 renewal thereon, which is $725.

From what I understand of ccTLDs, the 'top keywords' are not 600k, more like 60k - having almost all of these reserved by the registry for a premium annual renewal was a major factor in 'holding back' the extension. I think the only hurdle left is to remove premium renewals on legacy premiums currently registered and .tv will see a sharp growth curve. And its not just me who thinks this way obviously, going by the sales prices for .tv of late.

 

[benzdorf]

Thatz some real good reading I must say.. I like tat part about how people who cant get over dotCOM are Americanz and that one LiL tid bit refrencing the phrase ( the future Is .Tv ) very interesting to say the least,
its kinda like TV from the future; N:blink:ow !

 

[DU]

if .tv regs were $8 a pop, i could maybe understand some of the mass-hype-nosis that is going on ....but .tv costs more than $8!!


so when renewal time hits the fan, how many fans will still be a waving?

Yes. A $20 renewal is outrageous... I believe this is a positive. it stops thousands of 3dSarahPalins.tv and 3dcabbages.tv from being registered. I'm all for people speculating but who needs that?

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Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU!

You're welcome

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I didn't really get your blog post, but viz the topic of this thread - removing premium matters basically because of simple economics.

One of my points was that it's such a limited namespace that was reserved. I don't believe that could have been the reason for the "big boys" to hold back - but mostly I was saying that I didn't care that they did I don't hear anyone saying that dotME would take off if only they removed the premiums...

My main point was that 2010 is definitely the year of the video and what's needed is an atmosphere of value for domainers. For developers? I think it's already there.

[I agree I was a little rambling ]



Finally. Thanks all for taking the time to read and even more those who took the time to try and take it in... and much more to anyone who commented either there or here.

 

[Len]

Yes. A $20 renewal is outrageous... I believe this is a positive. it stops thousands of 3dSarahPalins.tv and 3dcabbages.tv from being registered. I'm all for people speculating but who needs that?

Well put, there is so much dross reg'd in other ext's it's so contradictory when someone compares cost.

I would sooner Pay a little more to have a .tv domain with meaning and substance than some crap that no one with half a brain is ever going to use.

 

[garptrader]

Yes, $25 renewals are higher than those for .COM but in the last two years I (and other forum members as well) have gotten my hands on keyword domains I could only dream about in .COM (I realize they are worth far less than the comparable .COM). Let's take a look at what the .COM registrant is looking for / paid for certain domains I managed to get my hands on in .TV (in a few cases I'll compare to a comparable name which one could argue isn't exactly the same)...

ModelAgency $600K SEDO list price
Bachelor $125K Namebio 2005
RealEstateAgency $20K Namebio 2005
Templates $450K Namebio 2006
FlashGames $227K Namebio 2006
Programmer $66K Namebio 2006 (.TV is plural)
ShoppingMall $500K Namebio 2000 (.TV is ShoppingCenter)
CaribbeanVacations $130K Namebio 2007
EuropeanVacations $85K Namebio 2007
CreditCounselor $50K Namebio 2006 (.TV is CreditCounseling)
WeightTraining $19K Namebio 2009
VestidosdeNovia 5K euros list at SEDO


While I have found it difficult to rank .TV domains for the primary keyword/s at Google, I see they do rank well at Yahoo which a recent report indicated had ~15% of US search market share. And yet Google which is ~70% of US search does give long-tail search traffic & also seems to rank .TV website images fairly well. Meanwhile the .COM is sitting in parking so it doesn't get any search traffic. So why should .TV be worth less than 1% of a comparable .COM?

 

[claudedauman]

Well put GapTrader. I couldn't agree with you more. I already have a PR1 on Connect TV within a couple of weeks of it's launch. I can only imagine what connect com would fetch.

Call me simple but I think that I am a collector as much as an investor. Having started in the mid '90s I regged and sold a number of really nice names (nailcare com, nailcolor com, beautyadvisor com and many more). I still have some left from those days (skincleanser com propertypreview com and more).

I did my best with what little information was available and with limited funds @ $100 a pop. That's what it cost in those days to register a dot com with Internic I believe it was.

Being presented with an opportunity to acquire @ $20 each, exceptionally powerful and useful single keywords proceeded by .tv which inhabit the same information highway as the dot nets and coms, seems much akin to an art collector being able to acquire a Warhol at a fraction of its true value or a real estate investor buying, for pennies on the dollar, into the town with the International Airport nearing completion and a Four Seasons Resort opening.

As with any speculation, you have to be prepared to loose. There are no guarantees in life. But it seems reasonable to think imho, that those really strong TV which were regged at $20/year might be worth considerably more over the next few years. Same applies to post 3/18 premiums imho.

That being said, thanks to default user and reps added. I just regged 3dSarahPalins.tv .

Just kidding,

Claude

 

[hullswingerscom]

a great read on of the best iv seen of late.

am sure when some of the top domainers were buying there coms in the early years they were a small minoroty not to interested in others.

i think they can influence the tv market thay now have power look what godaddy has done to tv the fxxxxr.

still early days yet i started with a 10 year plan no matter what top domainer jumps on board

 

[eyedomainous]

I generally agree with your blog post about the 'big dog' .com domainers and the .tv market.

Yes. A $20 renewal is outrageous... I believe this is a positive. it stops thousands of 3dSarahPalins.tv and 3dcabbages.tv from being registered. I'm all for people speculating but who needs that?

Your point about keywords being more available and more affordable in .tv over .com is generally true.

However, the "$8 .com reg" versus a $20 .tv reg is a valid point, especially for domainers with large portfolios. Also, the one-off premium (keyword) price for a .tv is an important consideration as all the KeywordTV.com owners of all the Keyword.TV premiums that were auctioned -or have yet to sell, have gained a considerable economic advantage... along with a significant bump in value due to the higher cost of the .tv with the same keyword.

For example, I got a $4k offer for ReaderTV.com about a week before the .tv auction. I wasn't paying too much attention to the auction itself but I believe Reader.TV was in it and sold for around 14k (correct me if I'm wrong).

Finally, I am not a fan of the woman, but what's with all the criticism about 3Dsarahpalin.com and the mocking snickering of a possible 3Dsarahpalin.tv reg?

I would not buy the name... but I am willing to bet someone will, and it could well turn into a profitable reg... as Discovery is launching a 24/7 3D Channel, "Discovery HD Theater", and have signed Sarah Palin, at $1 Mill an episode, to do a "reality show" about Alaska... with Mark Burnett (of Survivor fame) to produce it. The way it looks right now... Sarah Palin will be in 3D.

 

[DU]

Finally, I am not a fan of the woman, but what's with all the criticism about 3Dsarahpalin.com and the mocking snickering of a possible 3Dsarahpalin.tv reg?

Not going to come forward to protect cabbages?

 

[eyedomainous]

Not going to come forward to protect cabbages?

LOL!!

You know.... come to think of it... there were these Cabbage Patch Kids and dolls... crazy tv news reports... a cartoon show... and even a collector's market... but NO! A website about all would be ridunkulos.