What the heck happened to LLLL.com's?

[soggyindo]

i know there's a whole section for short domains, but just for the rest of us (who don't go into the detail of that investing area)...

what the heck happened to LLLL.com prices??

i've seen some recently for $14 and lower. I remember the talk of them being like a standard and -- in a limited supply -- would only go up in value.

i'm starting to feel glad i stayed away from them. the whole HWYQ scene never made al that much sense to me.

are people thinking it'll rebound to former highs or what?

 

[-REECE-]

Several of us have been warning LLLL.com domainers for months now that there possibly were risks associated with holding large collections of low end LLLL.coms when renewals came around.

LLLL.coms rose much too quickly (Nov 2007-Feb 2008) in price and the market re-adjusted to about the $20 level (June 2008). What's occurred since then has, in my opinion, largely been a consequence of renewals coming due and, to a small extent, the economy.

The low end market certainly is a riskier investment than more expensive LLLL.coms..

To paraphrase a quote from Warren Buffett modified to suit the LLLL.com market: "Only buy LLLL.coms that you'd be perfectly happy to hold if the market shut down for 2 years".

i know there's a whole section for short domains, but just for the rest of us (who don't go into the detail of that investing area)...

what the heck happened to LLLL.com prices??

i've seen some recently for $14 and lower. I remember the talk of them being like a standard and -- in a limited supply -- would only go up in value.

i'm starting to feel glad i stayed away from them. the whole HWYQ scene never made al that much sense to me.

are people thinking it'll rebound to former highs or what?

 

[Jasonn]

Domain buyouts are bullsh*it...people who expected prices for xrqu.com and the like to go up forever, are/were dreaming.

 

[-REECE-]

Buyouts really should mean nothing -- just because a domain is unavailable does not give it value. The hysteria which ensued was, quite simply, hysteria.

I wouldn't recommend anyone invest in the low end market without a long term view. Research the market and come to your own conclusion about where it's going.

It being "a bad time to sell" does not mean it's a good time to buy. Money speaks louder than words.

Domain buyouts are bullsh*it...people who expected prices for xrqu.com and the like to go up forever, are/were dreaming.

 

[mibworld]

The lower end of LLLL.com’s went from a price of RegFee at the end of October 2007 to around $7 + RegFee today. In the same 12 months period most other categories of domains have suffered losses, due to current global economic situation. So, LLLL.com’s have been a better investment. During the first months of 2008 LLLL’s went through a speculative phase but they have returned now to more sustainable levels.

With the substantial reduction of LLLL.com’s drops expected in 2009, more domainers entering this market, and –hopefully- an economic recovery in the next months, I would certainly expect this segment of domains to continue to grow and to exceed the growth of most other categories of domains, including LLL.com’s.

 

[soggyindo]

nice answers!

 

[bmugford]

The same thing that happened to the stock market. The economy sucks.

 

[cache]

relatively the LLLL did not drop as much as the stock market.

 

[bmugford]

At least not the higher end names. Quad, CVCV, etc.

relatively the LLLL did not drop as much as the stock market.

 

[ofclean]

Yeah, I've never understood the value random, unpronounceable domains.

Wait, I'll be right back; I have to go register some more NNNN.orgs!

 

[soggyindo]

warren buffett also counsels buying stocks where you understand the business (how exactly it makes money), and it has inherent brandability and audience recognition (coke, amex, etc).

for my business approach low-end LLLL's never passed these two tests.

 

[bmugford]

All anti/single premium names are not created equal. Sometimes you can have acronyms that make sense, or premium letters in other languages. That being said, I generally agree with your point.

It is the exact same point I make now about LLL.com, why is ZQJ.com worth $5K?

Brad

warren buffett also counsels buying stocks where you understand the business (how exactly it makes money), and it has inherent brandability and audience recognition (coke, amex, etc).

for my business approach low-end LLLL's never passed these two tests.

 

[-REECE-]

Have to agree with Brad -- research makes all the difference in the world.

All anti/single premium names are not created equal. Sometimes you can have acronyms that make sense, or premium letters in other languages. That being said, I generally agree with your point.

It is the exact same point I make now about LLL.com, why is ZQJ.com worth $5K?

Brad

 

[Khristopher]

To expand on the current discussion, while some acronyms "currently" make sense and therefore increase the value of those particular LLLL.com's, there are some that will have more meaning in the future, or the connection will be realized in the future. While holding a large amount of single premium LLLL.com's and hoping to turn them over int he next 6 months, is not a realistic goal - the economic principle of scarcity will eventually apply and the value of each LLLL.com will at some point increase.

The truth is the current market is tough, especially now, and in the near future we will continue the explosive expansion of internet companies and domain name sales will follow. The next couple years, I believe, will revolutionize the domaining industry and there are already many prominent domainers and internet marketers striving to connect domains with end-user markets. A great example of this revolution is seen at GrandNames.com (in which I saw a single LLLL.com listed), created by Owen Frager.

In the end I think that it's worth holding on to your LLLL.coms - to an extent. Taking a passive approach to selling any domain name makes it more difficult to yield results - and this is true with LLLL.com's even though they seem to be perceived as a stock-like commodity. By actively marketing and gaining exposure, any domain name will have a better conversion and this logic would apply to LLLL.com's as well.

These are mainly my opinions, and I welcome any comments.

Cheers,
Kris

 

[lzy]

But without doubt, people will still continue to hoard onto their precious LLLL.com so no worries! :D

 

[shockie]

i think that most domainers are holding onto their llll.coms. others are investing while the prices are cheap, and others are selling either because they need the funds (or rather have it invested elsewhere) or are a bit nervous. i'm not seeing loads of people buying or selling though - mostly holding.

 

[Salmon]

i think that most domainers are holding onto their llll.coms. others are investing while the prices are cheap, and others are selling either because they need the funds (or rather have it invested elsewhere) or are a bit nervous. i'm not seeing loads of people buying or selling though - mostly holding.

They selling the ones they don't want, holding the good ones they like. :yell:

 

[copper]

I sold all my LLLL domains except few that have...

• Known popular acronyms.

• Known huge global corporations still using ugly and long
  domain names which would fit perfectly with my LLLL domain.

 

[Fka200]

Just let 2 LLLL.coms delete and there might be about 20 more on the way. Don't want to be bothered with them. Renewed pronounceables.

 

[Dean]

What some people seem to be forgetting is the bad letters in English are good in other languages like Chinese so even what seems to be bad like qzbx might be quite a good domain with potential end user sales.