Labeled as discuss in Domain Buying and Selling Discussion, started by Paltzar, Nov 19, 2020
Wow..Awesome and Congrats on your Sales of a wonderful Hand Reg Domain @DNPush
You are referring primarily to domain (wholesale) buyers. The average business or end user wouldn't even know what the term means.
If you have a good name that you think has a good use, buy it, put it on the market, and hold it for as long as you can. A great name won't go unsold just because it's handreg'd imo. Just need the right buyer to come along.
And, btw, this is true for older domains as well - after all, that's why they end up being held in domain investors stock for so long.
Thanks for the sharing
There is absolutely nothing wrong with handregs in my opinion. If you had asked me several years ago, my answer would have been completely different. The types of names people bought and why they bought them were completely different. There are many more options available now, new tlds, same way of valuing names (brandables now vs only EMD aged names) etc.. are all completely different. So it really depends on the buyer. Most endusers, unless they are extremely knowledgeable in SEO will probably not place much weight on its age. Domainers selling wholesale to other domainers is another story, probably because so many people just dabble in the business or are relatively new to it, so most domainer-to-domainer handregs will be of extremely low quality, probably 500 to 1.
But handregs especially in brand new industries and for brand new terms that stick can be extremely lucrative. I've had some very big offers on recent handregs. It's not common though, and it needs to be an industry that you get in early on and then that industry takes off and then sticks. If you study a new niche well, read lots of articles, and really master that new market, there can be some huge upside. This does apply to already established markets too but much less likely to make big gains. You have to think, the same names that have been bought, sold, and then dropped several times over for the last couple decades were all traded and dropped over and over again for a reason. But as @bmugford already mentioned in his post, you really do have to understand that emerging niche very well to make key regs, and that usually comes from alot of very careful study and a bit of imagination. Happy hunting!
lock...i like your "referral" hand regs as well. In the last 60 days I've had more fun hand registering 800 plus new gTLD's with the extension .Realty. To add to the fun, I actually have a plan for how to best monetize my portfolio, and if past experience is any indicator of future performance, "outbound" will replace the old buy and hoard hold and pray strategy
People generally here dislike buying recently hand regged domains.
My reasoning is, it's much to with that they were bought for reg fee, and then domainers hate having to pay a premium.
It's also aggravates them, because they feel like they missed out hand regging it themselves, reninforcing why they dont want to pay that premium.
Of course at the right price, that shouldn't get in the way and recently hand regged or not,
a good domain is a good domain.
I love hand registering (original not re-registering from the deleted lot) and it gives immense creative satisfaction. More than 35% of my portfolio are hand registered. You can check my website same as user name and find many there.
Those who say all words are taken are the same people who believe and compare the domain industry with the real estate industry. However, unlike limited land, the world of words is ever-expanding and every year hundreds and thousands of new words are including in dictionary in all languages.
The fact is domain sector is like universe ever-expanding and a growing galaxy full of stars some are known but maximum are still unknown and untapped due to our limited knowledge, ability and lifetime.
After achieving my portfolio size, I stopped hand registering not because I don't like them or do not have a new idea but simply because I do not want to give birth to a new name if I am not able to protect or nurture them. So sometimes it's a blackhole where it sucks your creative energy and you won't realise whether you are at zero or infinity. Also in search of unknown gain (sale and profit) creating unsustainable and confirm liability in the form of annual renew fee is not a good idea.
In fact, if we really have good domains and if we knew its real worth, we may not be able to sale 100 good domains to end user in our lifetime. Thank you!
Personally, that's not the reason I wouldn't pay another domainer extra money for a recently hand regged domain.
The reason they aren't worth a premium is because there's no demand for them. If there was, they would be registered. So even if I buy one from you that I like, which you just registered, I know it's still a long shot to sell anytime soon (or I'm going to have to do a lot of leg work to actively find a buyer).
I've given other domainers $20 for names they recently discovered/registered, as kind of a finders' fee, but that's the most I would ever give for a brand new reg.
There's even an exhibitionist thread for this very behavior, due to popular demand.
gratz for your sale
Gets to the core existential question of your domaining journey. Are you buying domains just to resell to other domain investors - or - are you a domain investor.
for me first time iwas buy to sell to other domain investors to be domain investor you must have some budget to start journey
Either budget or tenacity coupled with patience and time. Easier said than done, but it's really a waiting game (even for the best domain names).
I find this problem often too. A buyer who was interested in a domain says "You just registered it today, so actually we're going to pass". Is that smart? I don't think so. I can find a ton of very bad , but aged domain names & I can find couple great, but available to register names. Does that change anything? Basically only thing it can change is SEO value. Of course a hand-reg usually will have less SEO value than some 20 year old name. I find it strange, but yeah, potential buyers often backout when they find out it's a hand-reg. Logic? SEO value. Only logic I can find in that. Maybe also envy that they know how much you'll earn and they're pissed about it.
ifull agree with you
What was the last Hand reg domain you sold for X,XXX so far?
I entered into this sector 6 months ago when someone from the Netherland approached me and brought my hand reg (dot in an underrated ccTLD) at middle X, XXX. That domain I created (hand registration original as I was not knowing expiring domain, aftermarket or anything like that at that time) brought for my own use so when he offered me a hefty amount which gave me exponential profit within a year of hand reg, I sold the domain to him. He was extremely happy. Also, note, he found my address through Whois as I have not registered my domain at any marketplace/s in fact at that time I was not knowing about these marketplaces or existence of such vibrant domain industry.
At that time my knowledge about domaining was only limited to GoDaddy where I registered my few domains for personal use. I was not knowing what is registrar and marketplace etc. These Dyna, Dan, NameCheap, Sedo all were alien words me. Before selling in May 2020, I also checked all valuation tools and they were showing lower xxx.
Later on, I realised I sold my handwritten dot in the domain at less than 10 times of its real value which means the worth of my written (.in) domain was xx, xxx. It also means that the valuation tools (i used all popular) were min 20-30 times wrong. How I can say this because exactly after one week time in Sedo auction similar to my domain (dot in) was sold at US$50,000.
The very first lesson I learnt is never ever trust any valuation tool or software.
Please feel free to visit my website (same as user id) to get the glimpse of our team's creativity. Thank you!
In 2020 Hand registering domains is mostly an unprofitable business model. You will register 50 bad domains for every 1 that is decent, and you could have spent that $500 on a GREAT domain.
They just say that so they can reg them
There are opportunities if you have eagle-eyes, patience and determination.
I personally sell 5-figures worth of brandcentric hand-registered domain names each and every month.
Nothing wrong with handregs.
But if domainers think there is and would rather buy aftermarket more money for me.
Did you know I sold InvestReit.com (Handreg)for $55k?
CoinMena.com (Handreg) $25K?
PaladineDrone.com (Handreg) $8,000
Imagine what I will sell these Handreg below for?
My bread and butter domains? Handregging exact match addresses for big real estate developments.
How much do you typically sell real estate dev EMD and do you have to outbound.
This is interesting
What were the last couple you sold if you can share (no NDA)
There is a problem in hand reg definition, most domainers that report hand reg are actually referring to dropped domains found in dropped lists, these are actually not new domains but aged domains that just dropped. No problem at all in hand registering dropped domains because these domain do actually sell if you can find good ones.
True hand reg is comming up with new names without using any drop lists, this is called sometimes names speculation. The problem with this method is that there was no demand on these names in the past (and that is why they are available) and so you need to hold for long time (ex: 2-5 years) before there is any demand.
Considering how long domain registrations have been going on, it's becoming harder to find "True Handregs".
Some names people think they coined themselves without going through the droplist, will shock them if they decide to investigate the history of those names.
Separate names with a comma.