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Wall Street Journal - " 'Drop Catchers' Buy and Sell Web Names Others Let Slip"

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Front page of the "Marketplace" Section

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'Drop Catchers' Buy and Sell
Web Names Others Let Slip
By DAVID KESMODEL
February 22, 2006; Page B1


Last month, Chicago real-estate agent Judy Orr discovered that a Web site she used to showcase area homes had gone off-line. It turned out she had failed to pay the $9 annual renewal fee for her Web address, oak-lawn-real-estate.com.

But getting her site back online wasn't as easy as she had hoped: Another company had snapped up the domain name and wanted nearly $2,500 to return it to her. "I was sick to my stomach," Ms. Orr says. It took two years of work to build up the site so it would rank prominently in Google's search results, and that time "went down the drain," she says.

The new owner of the address was Lease Domains Inc., which is run by a 21-year-old graduate student, Anthos Chrysanthou, who works out of his parents' house in a Chicago suburb. Mr. Chrysanthou says his two-year-old company owns more than 2,000 domain names, many obtained through a process called "drop catching" -- snagging names owners have let expire, either accidentally or because they no longer want them.

"I liken the whole situation to tangible real estate," says Mr. Chrysanthou, who is pursuing his master's in business administration at St. Xavier University in Chicago. "If you're not paying your mortgage or your taxes on it, it's going to get taken away."
 
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caught someone sleeping......lol.....
 
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certainly not nice what happened to Ms. Orr ... but then she is responsible for it. maybe the guy should give her a goodwill 10% discount :lol:
 
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Heck, here's the rest as the above isn't the full "point" of the article...
Duke's DNJournal.com was the story's main cite, definitely worth checking out :)

Mr. Chrysanthou is one of hundreds of drop catchers who either resell names or use them for Web sites loaded with advertisements. (Ms. Orr's former site now features text ads for real estate.) Many drop catchers have learned the trade in the past year, seeking a piece of the booming market for domains spurred by a surge in online advertising. The practice also has gotten a lift from providers of domain services, such as SnapNames.com Inc., Pool.com Inc. and GoDaddy.com Inc., which have introduced tools aimed at helping people grab expiring domains.

The services circulate lists each day showing which domains are about to go up for grabs. Auctions are held for particularly in-demand names, and prices can go sky-high: A1.com sold for $260,250 in December, after its previous owner let the registration lapse.

Drop catching "has pretty much changed completely in a few years' time," says Michael Berkens, who runs MostWantedDomains.com, owner of about 45,000 domains, which range from 4nudepictures.com to 401kplans.com, out of his Fort Lauderdale, Fla., home. "There's more people," he says, and "prices have just escalated."

DNJournal.com, a publication that tracks the domain industry, reported 2,291 sales of expired domains in auctions last year, with winning bids totaling a combined $11.5 million. That was up from 885 sales totaling $4.2 million a year earlier. Auctioneers don't report all deals to DNJournal, and the site doesn't track deals valued at less than $500.

Roughly 20,000 expired domain names become available each day, according to industry executives. While many were consciously discarded by their owners, others, like Ms. Orr's, are the product of a domain-registration system that many users don't understand well.

When a user registers a domain name, it can be reserved for as many as 10 years, typically for $80. But many choose a one-year registration because it is less expensive, often about $10, and because they may not want the site for a longer period. At the end of the year, the domain registrar generally sends renewal notices to the owner, but such messages can be missed if the owner has changed email addresses in that time.

Under rules administered by the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, the group that oversees the assignment of Web addresses, domain registrars such as GoDaddy and Network Solutions LLC have as many as 45 days after the expiration date to notify the official domain registry whether a name is being renewed or deleted. Typically, registrars have given users a grace period -- sometimes as long as 45 days -- to renew their name.

If a name is deleted, ICANN guidelines then call for a 30-day "redemption grace period," during which the original owner can still claim the name. If there is no claim in the redemption period, the name is dropped from the registry after a five-day holding period, and anyone is entitled to seek it.

For the .com and .net registries, managed by VeriSign Inc., names drop starting around 2 p.m. Eastern each day, all year long. What follows is a process that some in the industry call "pounding." As the names drop, Internet companies that help users acquire expired names send rapid computer commands to the registry, seeking to grab the most valuable names. It is "a mad rush," says Dan Rubin, who runs justdropped.com, which helps people identify and acquire expired domains. Registries for other domain suffixes drop names at different times of day.

The drop process underwent a key shift starting in late 2004. That is when SnapNames started a new service for grabbing domains. The company has signed exclusive agreements with more than a half-dozen registrars, including Network Solutions and Moniker.com, under which the registrars transfer expired domains to SnapNames, and SnapNames auctions them off. That way, names that people are interested in don't go through the traditional drop process that is open to anyone.

GoDaddy, the largest domain registrar, has introduced its own auction service for expired names that were registered with it, as have other registrars, as they seek a cut of the action for expired names. They begin auctions for names even before the names have officially expired but warn auction participants that the original owner could still redeem the name.

For domain owners, the new system means names can be grabbed from them even more quickly than they could before. Instead of going through the full deletion cycle -- which went as long as 75 days -- names are being transferred to new owners in 30 to 45 days.

Paul Twomey, chief executive of ICANN, says some people in the domain industry recently have raised concerns that the guidelines governing expired names are "being utilized in ways that were not originally intended." But Mr. Twomey says no one has proposed a formal change in policy to address the issue.

Ms. Orr's name, oak-lawn-real-estate.com, is one of those that was transferred before going through the full deletion process, says Jay Westerdal, who runs Name Intelligence Inc., a Bellevue, Wash., company that tracks the industry.

Tim Ruiz, vice president of domain services for GoDaddy, which transferred the name, says, "We make every attempt to give ample opportunity for registrants to renew." He says the company gives registrants 30 days to claim a name after it has expired.

If a corporation loses a domain name that it believes is copyrighted or trademarked, it can seek to recover the name by appealing to an arbitration panel under ICANN's dispute-resolution policy. It also could take the domain's new owner to court, though that can be more expensive.

Ms. Orr says she lost her site's name, which wasn't copyrighted or trademarked, because she made the mistake of relying on her Web-hosting company to keep track of her registration. She says she didn't see renewal notices from GoDaddy because it had an old email address for her. Ms. Orr plans to use another site -- oak-lawn-il.com -- to replace the one she lost.
 
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It's a shame more and more names are being taken away from hard working site developers and given to the domainers - who will simply park it. I'm not against it - but its a shame...!
 
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What? Are you saying that domainers aren't "hard working"?
 
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Tough luck

Hey she deserved to lose the name.....

A good business knows the basics and the basics are your domain name is a
valuable asset so learn to pay the bills on time or get cut off.

She should not be running her business so incompetently hopefully she will
learn a lesson the hard way.
 
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Great article - It is a shame for the previouse owner if they did'nt intend to let it drop - but fortunately I have never had anyone ask for their domain back because of this yet. I am not too sure how I would feel if it did happen ?

I guess that would depend on how they approached me.

The bit I wonder about is - if companies like Network Solution for instance have a partner agreement with snapnames - what lenghts would the register goe to in order to notify the customer that the name is expiring ?

They obviously get a far better cut if the dropped domain goes for $xx,xxx - I assume this money would be shared between Snapnames and Network Solutions .
 
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Kinda reminds me of ShiningMonkey's slip-up. :D

BTW, just got confirmation that shiningmonkey.com did indeed expire and got
auctioned off to another party.
 
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after reading WSJ article more newbie would now be in auction jacking up prices for worthless domain name.
snapnames would be more richer.
 
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There also was recently an article in (edit) Business 2.0 magazine about some of the high-profile domain miners.Masters of their Domains
It's an overview with some extreme cases, including Rick Schwartz.
 
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What goes around, comes around......

Sure, it's tempting and even a little exciting to get into the drop-catch game and hope to score big--however you can just about count on the fact that you'll be profitting because of someone else's misfortune.

I know, I know, it's a benign, dog-eat-dog world out there--at least that's the justification used by people who profit from other's misfortunes. Pawn shops, car title loan companies, payday advance payment companies, exhorbitantly-priced rent-to-own appliance centers--they all claim to be "helping people who need it," but really they're just taking advantage of people's misfortune for their own personal gain.

I had a friend who once lost all his families photos and some antiques that had been in the family for ages because he was out of the country when his storage space payment bounced because a merchant had accidently swiped his credit card twice for an online purchase. Three weeks later his storage space was up for auction (without his knowledge), and the winning bid was $78. The winner got some nice antiques, and almost certainly threw the photos and other family items into the trash.......

So, the moral of the story is that what goes around DOES come around--and if snapping up expired domains and then trying to gouge the previous owner with a 2000% markup is your idea of "just doing business, well then I feel sorry for you because one day you'll get what's coming to you!


WT
 
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webtopia said:
Sure, it's tempting and even a little exciting to get into the drop-catch game and hope to score big--however you can just about count on the fact that you'll be profitting because of someone else's misfortune.
I do not participate in the drop game but I do wonder how does one know if the dropping name is on purpose because the owner does not need it anymore or a reflection of *someone else'e misfortune*....I let names drop almost every month simply because they longer seem to be worth holding on to!!
 
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Binfus said:
I do not participate in the drop game but I do wonder how does one know if the dropping name is on purpose because the owner does not need it anymore or a reflection of *someone else'e misfortune*....I let names drop almost every month simply because they longer seem to be worth holding on to!!

A very good point - you don't - I would assume the vast majority of the names are getting dropped because they were no longer needed.

The only way anyone would know any different is if the previouse owner contacted you to ask for it back - I have about 30 names from drops and this has never happened to me yet. :)
 
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I think the grace period should be at least 6 months for renewals. That said, if you don't notice your site is "offline" for 30 days or more, then its probably because a) its not doing you any business or b) you dont really care. Still, 60 days grace at least would be more appropriate if someone is ill.
 
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Simsi said:
I think the grace period should be at least 6 months for renewals. .

I think there should be NO name Snapping or passing as the case may be :o It would be much more fun if they all went straight back for registering - it would also give the "little" guy a better chance of finding a real gem. :lala: But - that is never going to happen !!
 
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how do I filter out the thousands of drop names to find the one that people "forgot" to register? That will be a profitable business.
 
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