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peaches017 said:
I was obviously talking about private citizens using firearms.
OK. Here's two real-life situations I was personally involved in where guns were used for "good".

Two months ago my sister was viciously attacked by a cat. Her injuries were so bad that she had to go to the emergency room. The cat was absolutely out of control. No one could get near it. It kept coming back into our yards and acting really aggressive and weird towards both people and other animals. It was a tomcat, so we knew it wasn't protecting any kittens and it looked to be uninjured, so it wasn't trying to protect itself. BTW, around our area, animal control is a total joke and we have about 5 or 6 very young kids running around our neighborhood on the weekends. The cat proved itself to be extremely dangerous and possibly rabid, so when it came back the last time my brother got out his pistol and shot it.

At the last apartment in which we lived in Atlanta, two young men (around 18-20 years old) sat down right outside our door and started profanely rapping (in both senses of the word) to each other at about 3am on a weeknight. They were both dressed like gang hoods, they were not my neighbors, and they had no reason to be near my door. I didn't freak out and I didn't call the cops. I knew that if the cops came directly to my door, the men would know who called them and there could be repercussions. I simply walked to the bedroom, left the phone in my wife's hand and told her to call the police if she heard any loud noises. Then I took my daughter out of her crib, put her next to my wife and locked the bedroom door from the inside. I got my shotgun, loaded it and cocked it quietly. I watched them through the peephole for almost an hour. At one point, one of them came to the door and jiggled the knob. By the time he had his hand on it, I was pointing the gun directly where his chest would be if he were to enter. I waited like that for a while then I looked through the peephole again. One of the bastards had left, but the other one was still sitting there. To make a long story short, he rolled a doob, smoked the entire thing, put his hand inside his baggy-ass pants and masturbated himself. I'm not kidding. After that, he stood up and tried to look through our peephole before he finally left.

Being able to protect your family from (rabid) animals and people who act like them is a good thing. Guns can be used for good. Sorry for the novel... just trying to get my point across.
 
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put is hand inside his baggy-ass pants and masturbated himself

This is the youtube moment where I would have gotten my wife to film me running outside with my shotgun to see the guy freak out being caught red-handed (so to speak). Great stories Brian. All too often guns are only highlighted in bad moments like this.
 
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labrocca said:
This is the youtube moment where I would have gotten my wife to film me running outside with my shotgun to see the guy freak out being caught red-handed (so to speak). Great stories Brian. All too often guns are only highlighted in bad moments like this.
Thanks Jesse. Your comment is too funny! :bingo: I hadn't thought of doing that at the time, but YouTube wasn't around then so I would've had to send it to AFHV. ;)
 
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labrocca said:
Canada has more guns per capita than the USA and they have a LOT less violent crime committed with guns than America.

Those numbers are not right. There are gun laws here that limit ownership of guns-particularily handguns. I have never seen a handgun except on tv. You just don't see guns around here very often. Hunting rifles are allowed with a permit (but they must be stored locked up at all times if I am not mistaken).

http://www.guncontrol.ca/Content/Cda-US.htm
 
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labrocca said:
I love how the alarmist like to place guns as the problem instead of people.

Unfortunately it is a problem when nutters get hold of them. However I do agree at the end of the day the guns are not the problem. This guy had a history of mental illness surely checks should have been done to stop people like that getting guns.

dav3.us said:
I think the anonymity of the Internet allows people to either be who they "really" are or want to be, or just try to be something different.

Very true. People who can be very timid in the real world can be very loud and very outspoken on the internet.
 
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Well which idiot decided to realise this information then...

Matt
 
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personally, i have never seen someone with a gun before so the idea of people keeping guns in there house in places such as america is ridiculous. even if a robber came into your house and you shot and killed him - you'd be done for murder!

less guns = less shootings, simple as that :]
 
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kev said:
personally, i have never seen someone with a gun before so the idea of people keeping guns in there house in places such as america is ridiculous. even if a robber came into your house and you shot and killed him - you'd be done for murder!

less guns = less shootings, simple as that :]
Wrong-o! You have the right to defend yourself wherever you are. Although I can't verify the law in every state, if someone intrudes into your place of residence, you can use the maximum amount of force necessary to protect yourself from said intruder if you have reason to fear for your safety or the safety of your loved ones... that includes killing the bastard. Some states say you have a "duty to retreat" before using force on an attacker, but that is usually null and void if you and the intruder are in your home.

I like you Kev, but I wholeheartedly disagree with everything you said in your post. No one I've heard of has proven that fewer guns equals fewer shootings. My Dad, my brother and I have at least 10 guns in total. We have never had to shoot another human being so far. I'd wager that most gun owners have never shot another human being.
 
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briman1970 said:
I'd wager that most gun owners have never shot another human being.
I'd wager that all non-gun owners have never shot another human being.

Now I'm not saying that no one should have guns. Off duty police officers? Sure, why not, they've had training and are trustworthy. Licensed civilians with extensive background checks, etc. Why not. However, when it is OK (and legal) for someone to waltz in and buy a glock (with a history of being mentally unstable), a line has to be drawn. Second amendment not-withstanding...
 
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peaches017 said:
I'd wager that all non-gun owners have never shot another human being.
I'd win that bet. Think about it. :p

It's obvious where you stand and that's fine by me. What's reasonable for me may sound outlandish to you and that's OK. The US Constitution gives me the right to disagree with you AND to own a gun (or several).
 
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briman1970 said:
Wrong-o! You have the right to defend yourself wherever you are. Although I can't verify the law in every state, if someone intrudes into your place of residence, you can use the maximum amount of force necessary to protect yourself from said intruder if you have reason to fear for your safety or the safety of your loved ones... that includes killing the bastard. Some states say you have a "duty to retreat" before using force on an attacker, but that is usually null and void if you and the intruder are in your home.

I like you Kev, but I wholeheartedly disagree with everything you said in your post. No one I've heard of has proven that fewer guns equals fewer shootings. My Dad, my brother and I have at least 10 guns in total. We have never had to shoot another human being so far. I'd wager that most gun owners have never shot another human being.

ye, i can see where your coming from.
its just here you would be arrested for possession of a gun and given a prison sentence, and would be charged with murder if you shot an intruder, possibly leading to a life sentence.
 
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Hmm.. All that the guy wanted was to become a hero n prove the society that belittled him what he was "capable" of.. the media have made him one!

I personally look at his way of things as kiddish.. "See I can piss far than you..".. Thats not the way to compare with others!

If the videos & other details like "I do this for my children".. haven't been released, He woudln't have become a hero. Now, this is like encouraging ppl become heroes by doing stupid things.
 
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webmasterinfo said:
Here in Sweden we dont have guns (of course some gangsters get some from the black market) and guess how many school shootings we have had? Correct, zero!!

Well in my Nigerian neighborhood, everybody has a gun. My dad has a shot gun, neighbors have AKs, pistols, etc., but we have never had any wild shootings like school shootings, rampages etc. Its really the people. If that VT killer didn't get that gun from the gun store you think he wouldn't have found a gun or some other potent weapon somewhere else?
 
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