Update to Dynadot's Expired Auctions

[Dynadot]

We’d like to share an update about Dynadot’s Expired Auctions. Following customer feedback, we have decided to update our expired auction end times. Starting August 26, 2019, 0:00 UTC, auction end times will be between 9:00 PST to 13:30 PST. This change will help streamline the closing of auctions, allowing our customers to bid in our auctions within a consistent and reliable time frame. This will only impact new auctions, existing auction end times will not be modified. We love hearing from you, so if you have any additional feedback please feel free to send it to [email protected] or ask away on this thread.

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[Dynadot]

I’ve sent you a PM.

Thank you for sending the PM. We have clarified the situation for you in our reply.

Best Regards,
Jordan Kai

 

[Dynadot]

Hello,

We will still allow the registrant their full grace renewal period. They only change that is currently being made is the auction end time.

Best Regards

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

@Dynadot
Just don't display any placed bids for the current registrants in their Watchlist and on Auction page.
Hide this data.
The easiest solution.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

Such domainers mostly see all their domains in Watchlist... it can't be accessible in non-authorized mode.

 

[jamesau]

Partnering with Uniregistry seemed like a good idea but every domain gets renewed. The auction process needs revamping.

 

[golan]

Such domainers mostly see all their domains in Watchlist... it can't be accessible in non-authorized mode.

Who keeps you from having two accounts?

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

From my POV, you should have a really strong motivation for another accounts... like more API keys...
But just regarding Watchlist???

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

And Yes, such solution is not a panacea...
But it can minimize this traditional problem at Dynadot.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

And ideal solution - when only bidders in this auction have access to its data.

 

[golan]

From my POV, you should have a really strong motivation for another accounts... like more API keys...
But just regarding Watchlist???

Exactly, API keys. But also it might be a loophole for bad guys against this hypothetical whatchlist block.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

What exactly GoDaddy did???

Auctions are impossible in the Redemption Grace Period (RGP) after Autorenew Grace Period.
In RGP only the losing registrant has rights to restore it for penalty like ~$100.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

You have 48h to pay...
As alternative workaround - pay for those auctions only within remaining 1-2 hours.

 

[Domainstore]

Hello,

We will still allow the registrant their full grace renewal period. They only change that is currently being made is the auction end time.

Best Regards

Yeah, but you add 10 USD late renewal fee after 29th day after epiration (even if nobody bids on it).

 

[Dynadot]

Expired domains enter into auction in the last 10 days of grace renewal period. The auction lasts for 7 days. So, there are a few days the original registrant can renew the domain. We understand that other registrars do this differently but we do give the registrant their full grace renewal period. We try to be fair to both sides. The $10 late renewal fee was also introduced in 2017 to discourage renewals of domains after an expired auction had started. Unfortunately we cannot hold auctions after the end of the registrant's grace renewal period as the domain would have entered the redemption period, and would need to be restored at a much higher cost before being added to the auction winner's account.

The issue with Uniregistry domains that had already been renewed still being listed in our expired auctions has since been resolved, if anyone noticed a renewed domain listed for auction we would greatly appreciate it if you could let us know, and we'll have our team investigate that.

 

[JB Lions]

Expired domains enter into auction in the last 10 days of grace renewal period. The auction lasts for 7 days. So, there are a few days the original registrant can renew the domain. We understand that other registrars do this differently but we do give the registrant their full grace renewal period. We try to be fair to both sides. The $10 late renewal fee was also introduced in 2017 to discourage renewals of domains after an expired auction had started. Unfortunately we cannot hold auctions after the end of the registrant's grace renewal period as the domain would have entered the redemption period, and would need to be restored at a much higher cost before being added to the auction winner's account.

The issue with Uniregistry domains that had already been renewed still being listed in our expired auctions has since been resolved, if anyone noticed a renewed domain listed for auction we would greatly appreciate it if you could let us know, and we'll have our team investigate that.

I emailed in, waiting on reply but:

"The expired domain auction for ------------.com has been cancelled because the original registrant has renewed the domain.

If you have already sent payment, we will automatically credit it to your Dynadot account as account credit."

When this happens at GoDaddy, they send the money back to my bank account. Is that possible here? I didn't want to have money stuck at Dynadot.

 

[wwwweb]

I emailed in, waiting on reply but:

"The expired domain auction for ------------.com has been cancelled because the original registrant has renewed the domain.

If you have already sent payment, we will automatically credit it to your Dynadot account as account credit."

When this happens at GoDaddy, they send the money back to my bank account. Is that possible here? I didn't want to have money stuck at Dynadot.

Why is it so hard for Dynadot to delay auction endings, to a point where the owners can’t redeem. Fine you want to give owners full grace renewal time, but then ask for payment after that, or end auction 1 min after that point?

Don’t use user credits to finance your business operations.

It’s like we hear you, but we don’t hear you.

How long is this stupidity going to continue for?

 

[Nikhil Jain]

Starting August 26, 2019, 0:00 UTC, auction end times will be between 9:00 PST to 13:30 PST.

Can you please clarify when does this actually apply in real time, as even today I see some expired domain auctions ending outside these hours?

 

[uzver]

@Dynadot

Why do you place expired .io domains to an auction when there is just 1 backorder?

This has happened to me few times already. It is not fair, and nobody does that.

I’m not going to place backorders just to let everyone piggyback on me.

 

[uzver]

Guys If you need your money back, on a cancelled auction make sure you don’t add it to your account, but pay for the auction directly. I found this out the hard way, when I added funds, then used them to pay for an auction that was cancelled. When I tried to get funds returned, I was told well you used account funds, so no dice.

Also i was involved in an auction where the high bidder did not pay, and I was sent an invoice to pay within 24 hours, what is not clear on Dynadot is that it seems they require second highest bidder to follow thru, and pay. Also first top deadbeat bidders bids are not erased so if you and the top bidder took it from $2000 to $5000, you would be required to pay $4900, because they state that the top bidders intentions were good, even though they didn’t pay, or maybe didn’t have the money to bid. This is a very dangerous methodology.

Too many pitfalls... Thanks for posting.

 

[7363824]

Dynadot must hide all auction data at least for Expired Auctions.
It should be visible only for bidders of those auctions. PRIVATE AUCTIONS in other words.
I don't see any better solution.

That won't work. All the owner has to do is place the initial minimum bid to watch it then.

The real fix is to reduce the grade period from 45 to 35 days. Run the action between day 35 and 45.

 

[uzver]

When a backorder auction is created it will always show one bidder, as we only automatically place one bid and this will not update unless other user's bid on the auction. The number of bidders shown is not the number of requests that were made for the domain, only the number of active bidders on the auction. We don't make the number of backorder requests placed public.

Well, it’s confusing then.

I placed a $125 backorder for a domain, and I can now see the auction is running with 1 bidder, the highest bid is $124.99 and I’ve been outbid (see the screenshot)

As I understand there should be at least 2 bidders — myself and someone else with higher bid (or late backorder).

Another confusing thing is that I don’t see these backorder auctions in your iOS app. Why don’t you place it under My Account -> Watchlist and/or My Auction Bids?

 

[varyemez]

Expired domains enter into auction in the last 10 days of grace renewal period. The auction lasts for 7 days. So, there are a few days the original registrant can renew the domain. We understand that other registrars do this differently but we do give the registrant their full grace renewal period. We try to be fair to both sides. The $10 late renewal fee was also introduced in 2017 to discourage renewals of domains after an expired auction had started. Unfortunately we cannot hold auctions after the end of the registrant's grace renewal period as the domain would have entered the redemption period, and would need to be restored at a much higher cost before being added to the auction winner's account.

The issue with Uniregistry domains that had already been renewed still being listed in our expired auctions has since been resolved, if anyone noticed a renewed domain listed for auction we would greatly appreciate it if you could let us know, and we'll have our team investigate that.

Every time original registrant renews own domain on Dynadot. (When I won auctions on your system) So I left your expired auctions 1-2 years ago. Waste of time.

 

[Dynadot]

Well, it’s confusing then.

I placed a $125 backorder for a domain, and I can now see the auction is running with 1 bidder, the highest bid is $124.99 and I’ve been outbid (see the screenshot)

As I understand there should be at least 2 bidders — myself and someone else with higher bid (or late backorder).

Another confusing thing is that I don’t see these backorder auctions in your iOS app. Why don’t you place it under My Account -> Watchlist and/or My Auction Bids?

Only the first person to request the backorder would have a bid automatically placed, so it may be that you were not the first person to place the request and our system us showing 'outbid' as you had placed a request, but someone else is currently the only bidder. Would it be possible to PM us the domain name and your username so we could check and confirm that?

 

[uzver]

Only the first person to request the backorder would have a bid automatically placed, so it may be that you were not the first person to place the request and our system us showing 'outbid' as you had placed a request, but someone else is currently the only bidder. Would it be possible to PM us the domain name and your username so we could check and confirm that?

I’ve sent you a PM.