.tv .TV Premium Auction at SEDO - Starts April 1st 2010!

[twomoon]

sedo.co.uk/search/searchresult.php4?tracked=&partnerid=&language=e&auctionevent=tvPremium

Just found it

 

[anon22339]

Legal issues?

I don't understand this class action discussion. It seems silly to me.

VeriSign can largely do what it wants to when it comes to .TV. With this auction all that appears to have happened is that VeriSign decided that 115 out of its 55,000 Premium .TV domain names are no longer classified as Premium. These 115 names simply have reverted to the normal, standard reg fee for all non-Premium .TV domain names. It's a small release of formerly Premium-classified names, that's all. They could have simply removed these 115 from their Premium list and done nothing; it would have been up to one of us to discover that these 115 were no longer Premium names. Being a profit-making firm, VeriSign has instead decided to put these 115 re-classified .tv domain names up for auction so that they can pocket a nice bit of revenue on a handful of domains. They have decided to set reserves for each name, which is their prerogative. The terms and conditions always have pretty much said that VeriSign can do what it wants to do -- that's what their lawyers are there for.

If you are still paying a Premium renewal fee for the Premium .tv domain name you are currently leasing, that won't change because you are still leasing a Premium domain name that, unlike these select 115 names, has not been re-classified non-Premium. Nothing has changed in that regard. So, why on earth would you even consider wasting time and money on a lawsuit against VeriSign? Nothing has changed for you and the Premium .tv domain names that you lease today. Plain and simple.

PS - Estimated damages for a class action have to exceed $5 million for a judge to even consider redefining a suit as a class action. I doubt any such supposed damages here would come close to $5 million.

 

[gr8trfoo]

With reserves below $5k, if the domains don't get major final sale prices, this could also be the end of .tv

they will sell, that much is practically gauranteed.

Does this mean Verisign will remove all premium renewals from existing domains too eventually? Or is that too far reaching a conclusion?

If they dont then there will still remain the cloud of confusion that's plauged .tv for a decade.

If they want to hand the loyal buyers a bone they could just say all premium fees off effective immediately. More likely is that they make us pay one more year and then it drops, just as if we were brand new buyers - and I have no problem with that. What would suck nutz is if they do nothing. Obviously they are under no legal obligation to do so but as a practical matter it would certainly undermine their efforts to reinvigorate the market for .tv.

 

[Dave]

Some of those names are the hottest .tv's anyone can have. This will be a massive test for .tv and I hope it can prove all the doubters wrong.

 

[Vito]

Some incredible Keyword.tv's there!

How do we find out what the premium renewal prices are?
I don't see those fees anywhere.

 

[Jeff]

Certain .tv domains considered premium by the registry are subject to registry renewal fees that can be higher than the typical fee. Registry regulations require premium .tv domains to remain only at Enom.

Is it an understatement to publish, "that can be higher than the typical fee" IYHO's?

Also, and I may be missing something ... shouldn't each "premium" domain being auctioned specifically list its ANNUAL RECURRING Premium Reg. fee amount for interested bidders? :yell:

Kind regards,
Jeff

 

[Vito]

I clicked a link for more info,
It directed me to enom.
I typed in that .tv domain, and no Premium yearly renewal price...

Am I missing something here?

 

[Dave]

This is weird. I just checked enom and wine.tv is available for 10,000 a year... so how can it be on sedo auction? Or is there a bug in the enom system? lol..

 

[Vito]

This is weird. I just checked enom and wine.tv is available for 10,000 a year... so how can it be on sedo auction? Or is there a bug in the enom system? lol..

Maybe it's an Enom/Sedo Partnership Auction???

 

[Jeff]

They got us ... now I get it ... Happy April Fool's Day! :p

Enjoy,
Jeff

 

[Dave]

This is weird. I just checked enom and wine.tv is available for 10,000 a year... so how can it be on sedo auction? Or is there a bug in the enom system? lol..

What I mean is that I shouldn't be able to get to the checkout page on enom if these names are due to be auctioned soon. Perhaps this is a bug they need to address. I will email enom to inform them.

Thanks

Dave

 

[Vito]

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What I mean is that I shouldn't be able to get to the checkout page on enom if these names are due to be auctioned soon. Perhaps this is a bug they need to address. I will email enom to inform them.

Thanks

Dave

Thx Dave,
Keep us Posted.

They got us ... now I get it ... Happy April Fool's Day! :p

Enjoy,
Jeff

lol,

Now that would just be CRUEL!

 

[twomoon]

Just checked advertising.tv, archive.tv and auctions.tv at whois - ICANN Registrar is Sedo auction.
I think the same is with all names.
Probably Enom just selling the names via Sedo

 

[gr8trfoo]

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[Jeff]

Now that would just be CRUEL!

I think we've been played! :red: :imho:

PS. I guess that all "Premium Reg. fee's" would have been $10,000 / annually / each?

or possibly verisign has redesignated these non-premium and these are being sold as is for the highest bid without future premium renewal fees. that would take them out of enom/dm's territory since they only have the exclusive right to sell premium names.

if it is the case that these have no premium fees then i expect to see some fairly spirited bidding. but they are going to have to make that point very clear. otherwise i dot see this auction generating much interest at all.

^ Thanks for the solid input; look forward to what's really going on here ... and if it's going to be an auction with all pertinent price / renewal disclosures, etc. :gl:
Regards,
Jeff

 

[MrRhee]

I told everyone some interesting news was coming.
(I was asked not to disclose what I discovered.)
But there's more info on the horizon. Possibly, a game-changer.
Supposedly, we'll all learn more on Friday.

There are some real gems on that list. I am excited to see what happens next.

---------- Post added at 03:05 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:59 PM ----------

This is weird. I just checked enom and wine.tv is available for 10,000 a year... so how can it be on sedo auction? Or is there a bug in the enom system? lol..

perhaps you're checking an older database...

wine.tv is reserved for the sedo auction

now, wines.tv is available for $10K/yr via enom

 

[freedom30]

I told everyone some interesting news was coming.
(I was asked not to disclose what I discovered.)
But there's more info on the horizon. Possibly, a game-changer.
Supposedly, we'll all learn more on Friday.

There are some real gems on that list. I am excited to see what happens next.

it's a funny thing about progress. There are so many occasions where it has been delayed, but it has never, ever been stopped.

I will await any good news whenever it arrives as I know that it eventually will regardless of any vain attempt to derail this train.

Hell yeah, this is becoming fun agin!

 

[twomoon]

I want to believe in a good things, but truly I think it would be the second Amsterdam

 

[Jeff]

Hell yeah, this is becoming fun again!

Possibly, a game-changer.

Not to digress too far here, but the teeny isle of Tuvalu negotiated its lease to effect ".TV" registrations ... in the Year 2000. :red:

Though I do look forward to more detailed information regarding the auction on Friday, thanks.
Best,
Jeff

 

[domainacrobat]

Interesting, it reminds me when they sold the reserved .mobis...

Im not saying .tv is anything like .mobi, but the sedo auction did stir up ALOT of interest for the extension.

 

[RogueWriter]

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Thx Dave,
Keep us Posted.



lol,

Now that would just be CRUEL!

Something Bob Parsons might do, lol....

 

[garptrader]

Yes it is disappointing to see a premium .TV auction without clear disclosure of the renewals (unless the renewals aren't premium but then it would seem strange to call it a premium .TV auction). The extension gets its fair share of criticism so it will be interesting to see what interest there is in what are some nice names. If the renewals are $10K/yr in this economy I doubt there will be heated bidding. But IMO the auction will draw attention to the extension and the outcome may influence the industry's viewpoint toward .TV domain acquisition.

 

[Jeff]

I want to believe in a good things, but truly I think it would be the second Amsterdam

^ Ouch (and points for candor), I remember it like it was June 2009 (because it was); :gl:
http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/587966-amsterdam-cctld-results.html

I'm not sure where this whole .TV auction thing is headed at present, but "once burned, twice shy" comes to mind ... Caveat Emptor© and, as always, read the fine print IMHO.
See you soon,
Jeff

 

[Vito]

Yes it is disappointing to see a premium .TV auction without clear disclosure of the renewals (unless the renewals aren't premium but then it would seem strange to call it a premium .TV auction).

They will HAVE to show the yearly renewal prices, as that is the bottom line of the sale.
and I agree with you about it being called a "Premium Auction" meaning they most likely will not remove the yearly premium renewal pricing.
Although if they did it would be an incredibly exciting Auction!


Dumb thought of the day...
Whether it IS a Standard Premium (yearly renewal) auction or not, either way there will be a lot of eyes on this auction.
I think it would be a great idea to have some of our .tv domains on auction at the same time.
The auction starts on: Apr/01/10 06:00 PM CET

I mean it won't just be us (the NP .tv Forum) at the Sedo auction throughout the week.
It will be the whole World of .tv investors, developers, producers, videographers, etc.
They will all be at Sedo during the week of Apr. 1st to the 8th looking for their .tv domain.

So,
What if we created a thread of our available .tv's that we would send to auction and our auction starting bid price e.g.: GoCart.tv/$200...and then send them to auction right around the same time Apr. 1st 6:00 PM CET so that we would have an entire week of more views on our .tv's in auction then at any other time during the year. We would be riding the coattails of Enom/Sedo and using their power of advertising to get that one more potential buyer.

Does that make sense? Would anyone be interested?

 

[twomoon]

What if we created a thread of our available .tv's that we would send to auction and our auction starting bid price e.g.: GoCart.tv/$200...and then send them to auction right around the same time Apr. 1st 6:00 PM CET so that we would have an entire week of more views on our .tv's in auction then at any other time during the year. We would be riding the coattails of Enom/Sedo and using their power of advertising to get that one more potential buyer.

Does that make sense? Would anyone be interested?

Good idea! I'm interested