discuss TM words in domains. Swiss/Intel both TM, yet on BB, so I decided to get OracleIntel. This is why:

[Super-Annuation]

I see worlds like "Intel / Signal" "Swiss / Intel" "Audio / Oracle" "Fund / Oracle" being marketed on BrandBucket, yet Oracle and Intel both have international TM.

So the TM classes, services and potential brand dillution mustn't be an issue when displaying TM words. This made me curious, and I decided to get "Oracle / Intel" and "Intel / Oracle" as they're attractive names for blockchain tech oracle functions.

Anyway

"Swiss / Intelt" currently on BrandBucket has two Trademark words "Swiss" and "Intel." which has me thinking "Oracle / Intel" cannot be discriminated against, just because each word is TM.

So I guess the buyer of TM words is within their rights to own the business name and domain name, as long as they're not causing "brand dilution," consumer confusion between brands, or operating under the TM classes (e.g. 36 financial) services (e.g. 36, computerised financial services, provision of insurance advice etc)

If it were legal for a company to hold universal rights to all services and produced gods branding etc, then citizen liberty to own by law said intellectual property would be excessively executed, and infringe on others right to a name.

We have the Madrid Protocol and Intellectual Property Law for a reason; Fair entitlement to intellectual property and ensuring international integrity of intellectual property be protected. However, that protection will only exist where the law and protocol cover, it's not universal by default, hence branding/words/classes/services being fractions of a whole that is called Intellectual Property.

If you have a different opinion I'd be happy to hear it. I'm just tired of people saying "it's TM, you can't have that." If their words have even a shred of credit, I'd be happy to hear it.

 

[bmugford]

Dude, I really don't care. Oracles source intel and feed it into the blockchain.

After I purchased it I realised what I had done. I posted it and people told me to delete it due to TM. I'm sick of this crowd mentality. Thus post.

I guess it must just be that everyone else is wrong, and you are right. Dunning-Kruger effect.

Brad

 

[bmugford]

I think the OP has a lot to learn about TMs and domains in general.

TM or not, crap domains are crap domains. No one is going to be interested in these domains.

Brad

 

[Shackleton]

While your domain shopping, why don't you pick up DisneyCoke.com as well? I'm pretty sure it's available.

 

[cooljub]

So who are you going to sell it to?

 

[cooljub]

some mad gypsy lady that speaks to ghosts.

This is your best bet.

 

[Ategy]

45% of domainers are too paranoid over trademarks .. and another 45% are not nearly as paranoid as they should be.
I'd say more .. but I've already said just about everything there is to say about trademarks .. enjoy ... lol

https://www.namepros.com/search/34949661/?q=trademarks&o=relevance&c[user][0]=992943

Also do a search for @jberryhill .. his posts are extremely informative on the subject!


All that said .. regardless of if they are safe or not .. who would actually buy those domains? That might be your bigger issue more than any legal one.

 

[equity78]

I don't really care if you delete it, or pay for renewals for years then let it drop eventually.
The outcome is the same.

Brad

I will also say in the SodaCoke.com situation, @Sedo should not be taking money to promote blatant trademarks on their platform. This one is not well it's a fine line how will it be used? It's a blatant trademark and they should get dinged too for profiting from this nonsense, they are not a registrar afforded certain rights.

 

[Ategy]

I don't really mean the value .. but I mean .. who would anybody actually want to start a company called Oracle/Intel? Even if it was legally TM safe, it still is obviously relates to 2 well known companies ... so the only people who would want such a name would be in tech ... but as Trademarks are pretty much usage based, the moment anyone uses Oracle/Intel in a way that relates to anything either company is doing (extremely huge scope) or within their TM classes, then they will indeed be infringing on the trademarks. Making the domains rather pointless even if they might not immediately be "illegal".


As for Estibot ... lol .. no .. it's just an affiliate link .. I also have links to GoDaddy and DNAcademy in my signature .. for the record I don't own GoDaddy either (and @Michael Cyger owns DNA)!

NameCult indeed is mine however!

 

[equity78]

While your domain shopping, why don't you pick up DisneyCoke.com as well? I'm pretty sure it's available.

Well some genius has SodaCoke.com on Sedo for $9,000 and paying Sedo to promote it. https://sedo.com/us/sell-domains/promotion-options/

 

[equity78]

It guess it must just be that everyone else is wrong, and you are right. Dunning-Kruger effect.

Brad

No industry represents Dunning - Kruger more than domaining, well maybe Hollywood.

 

[branding]

OP seems to be obsessed by TM related domains judging by every other post he made.

I don't care what you do but you seem to have a hard time taking into account the advice that is given by people that have been around for quite some time and know what they're talking about.

You state you're no expert yet you challenge everyone who tells you to forget about obvious trademarks.

NP is a great place if you're willing to learn. Look for members who have been around with a proven track record and you will at least get inspired.

Nothing in this industry is set in stone but you'll notice most successful domainers educate themselves and rely on basic common sense.

Everything you posted so far shows me you are not willing to learn or take advantage of the advice and knowledge that can be obtained at this forum.

This will be my final post on this matter.

 

[Sedo]

I will also say in the SodaCoke.com situation, @Sedo should not be taking money to promote blatant trademarks on their platform. This one is not well it's a fine line how will it be used? It's a blatant trademark and they should get dinged too for profiting from this nonsense, they are not a registrar afforded certain rights.

Sedo has certain measures set in place to prevent domains being listed on our marketplace which may be subject to trademark issues. From time to time, some domains slip through this process. We certainly dont actively promote any domains which may be subject to trademark issues. Sedo strives to protect trademark holders rights and is constantly looking at new ways to stop this type of thing happening. It is ultimately the domain owners responsibility to ensure that they only list domains which do not infringe on trademark rights. Despite this, we have deleted and blocked the domain from our marketplace, and we have refunded the seller for the Direct Auction that they ordered.

Thank you for bringing this to our attention and we wish you every success in your domain affairs.

 

[RogueWriter]

The op is obviously a genius, stumbling onto a brand new niche. Your only problem is, I don’t think you are truly vested in this vibrant niche. You need to go all in and come back five years from now, when everyone is whining about how they missed yet another opportunity. Im betting they will be writing articles about you. These are probably available:

Microsoft google
Microsoft quickbooks
Microsoft sun microsystems
.
.
.
Register like 1000 of these, then start with ‘google’

Then there’s the celebrity opportunity:

IntelMadonna
McDonaldsEltonJohm
McDonaldsGarthBrooks


You should spend everything you have on this, immediately.

 

[NickB]

I have learned my lesson on this subject - everyone has their opinion and no matter how many times you try and explain it they don't/won't listen.....

You can search the forum and see how many times this has been raised and all the posts are very very similar, it is becoming a tad tedious.....

Register what you want, it is not my money or time being wasted (except on posting on these types of threads) which I will probably start to ignore from now on.

Your example " Swiss Intelt" is not comparable as "Intelt" is not a trademarked word - you can't just drop the T and call it Intel......

The word "Swiss" and "Swiss" + Word has 1485 listings in Wipo - I do not have the time or inclination to go through every single entry to see what classifications are still available.........

 

[DomainMarketplace]

Lawyers for Intel & Oracle join to the chat room....

Lawyers for Intel & Oracle are typing.....

 

[Super-Annuation]

OP seems to be obsessed by TM related domains judging by every other post he made.

I don't care what you do but you seem to have a hard time taking into account the advice that is given by people that have been around for quite some time and know what they're talking about.

You state you're no expert yet you challenge everyone who tells you to forget about obvious trademarks.

NP is a great place if you're willing to learn. Look for members who have been around with a proven track record and you will at least get inspired.

Nothing in this industry is set in stone but you'll notice most successful domainers educate themselves and rely on basic common sense.

Everything you posted so far shows me you are not willing to learn or take advantage of the advice and knowledge that can be obtained at this forum.

This will be my final post on this matter.

I already stated after I purchased it, I realised what I had done.

The point to this thread was that I didn't have to delete it, nor get in trouble for owning it, you pompous condom.

 

[artstar]

man alive to be a registar and get so much $ daily by such who are just aching to give it all away ! Its money in the bank with so many foolish domainers!

 

[Super-Annuation]

So who are you going to sell it to?

I'm thinking, as Blockchain Oracles improve, some will stand out among others. Companies will want those oracles for their commercial or retail platforms services etc.

I guess anyone looking to monetise valuable Oracles, or some mad gypsy lady that speaks to ghosts.

I'm just saying, "Yes, each word has a TM. Yes, I'm fine with that. Please stop your pathetic TM callouts and resale spill, because you're making yourself look like an idiot, and exposing you think I don't know what I purchased. Stop"

 

[Super-Annuation]

This is your best bet.

Then she'll have a cool name :D

 

[Super-Annuation]

45% of domainers are too paranoid over trademarks .. and another 45% are not nearly as paranoid as they should be.
I'd say more .. but I've already said just about everything there is to say about trademarks .. enjoy ... lol

https://www.namepros.com/search/34949661/?q=trademarks&o=relevance&c[user][0]=992943

Also do a search for @jberryhill .. his posts are extremely informative on the subject!


All that said .. regardless of if they are safe or not .. who would actually buy those domains? That might be your bigger issue more than any legal one.

Hey thanks, I appreciate your feedback. The market value of a domain is subjective, so a redundant question if you ask me. It's good to use valuation tools and try to purchase 'domains they may be appealing... but I mean, money.com.au sold for $450,000 + this year, which I'm sure there are countless opinions on the value, yet that's the figure.

You own EstiBot? I can see it in your signature. Legit?

 

[Super-Annuation]

I don't really mean the value .. but I mean .. who would anybody actually want to start a company called Oracle/Intel? Even if it was legally TM safe, it still is obviously relates to 2 well known companies ... so the only people who would want such a name would be in tech ... but as Trademarks are pretty much usage based, the moment anyone uses Oracle/Intel in a way that relates to anything either company is doing (extremely huge scope) or within their TM classes, then they will indeed be infringing on the trademarks. Making the domains rather pointless even if they might not immediately be "illegal".


As for Estibot ... lol .. no .. it's just an affiliate link .. I also have links to GoDaddy and DNAcademy in my signature .. for the record I don't own GoDaddy either (and @Michael Cyger own DNA)!

NameCult indeed is mine however!

You think the TM scope is too large? I'm not sure, but if Intel and Oracle have TM for Oracle exchange or services remotely covering this (I mean, we've barely acknowledged the magnificence of Trust Oracles) that would suck.

Intellectual Property Australia have added crypto consultancy to their services search engine, and lawyers are keeping up with this stuff. But it's still a hypothetical as no service exists for this.

I know there may be some services that you'd probably have to lease just to be the first to provide those new services under the name OracleIntel, BUT I think it's Coll. Anyway, people need to read a little more before and respect an individuals purchase sometimes.

"OracleIntel - Instil the right vision" or some shit ha!

 

[Super-Annuation]

While your domain shopping, why don't you pick up DisneyCoke.com as well? I'm pretty sure it's available.

Because it doesn't make sense.

 

[Super-Annuation]

While your domain shopping, why don't you pick up DisneyCoke.com as well? I'm pretty sure it's available.

HealthOracle (generic/TM
DAppOracle (?maybe generic/TM
BlockchainOracle (TM maybe generici soon/TM)
Oracle/Insight (TM/ can't be bothered looking)

All taken. It's not like I'm looking for IP to group together and pass it off as a brand.
You're welcome, 'Oracle' is the business.

 

[Super-Annuation]

I think the OP has a lot to learn about TMs and domains in general.

TM or not, crap domains are crap domains. No one is going to be interested in these domains.

Brad

Dude, I really don't care. Oracles source intel and feed it into the blockchain.

After I purchased it I realised what I had done. I posted it and people told me to delete it due to TM. I'm sick of this crowd mentality. Thus post.

Don't like my domain, feel better now?