Thoughts on Saddam Vedict...

[rjbonline]

I am just curious what your thoughts are on the Saddam Death Verdict. Do you feel the verdict will cause an increase in violence in Iraq? Or do you think the Iraqi people are happy with the verdict?

I personally think that the majority of Iraqi people are happy with the verdict.

 

[Grey_OwL]

It will surely trigger violent response among saddam's loyalist. The only thing we're not yet sure of is the gravity of such violence.

 

[Genialnames]

In most countries of Europe the culture is based on no-killing, but penality instead.

So I wouldn't vote to kill Saddam.

But if I should vote for Saddam to be killed, I would vote to kill any killer on the earth( should I suicide then?), especially those who are responsible of oppressing people who can't defend themselves and make them die,dayby day, hor after hour, children, old ones, mothers.....

In IRAQ? Someone will be happy , some other else will be unhappy, even in the case the verdict will be turn in Lifetime Jail, and even if they would let him free.....

 

[gingeman]

Right, I feel quite strongly about this, so may end up ranting, and I will start by saying I do not intend to hurt anyone. I will also say that I think Saddam is a monster and deserves to be punished severely. I would have had him rot in jail for the rest of his life. Also, I have a habit of stirring up an arguement for the sake of it, sorry!

Consider this:-

1. Saddam was a dictator. He ran a dictatorship. In this sort of political atmosphere horrendous acts generally occur. He killed thousands of his own people testing new weapons, and thousands from other nations seeking to expand his empire. This is far from the first instance of it in history - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history - I'll draw particular attension to the "Americas" section of that entry...

2. There are political leaders still in power today who have killed many more people than Saddam, yet they remain under little threat of being disposed and executed for one reason- they are not sitting on a sea of oil.

3. Is it not a hypocrisy to march into somebody's country because they aspire to different political ideologies to your own country's, then once captured, return them to a new government of that country to be convicted so as "not to interfere"?

4. Saddam would never have been captured, tried nor convicted for his crimes if it weren't for the oil. This is very cynical, but true. The governments of the UK and the USA actually don't give a sh!t about what goes on in the far east in terms of anti-humanitarian acts, if they did, they would have acted sooner, and Saddam would not be the only one facing the noose. i.e. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide

5. Saddam was a political leader. He was corrupt and selfish, but that is the way a dictatorship is usually run- one person's say. A crime like this of a country's leader is ethically different to say, that of a serial killer in my opinion.

6. "we" the west, decided the way that Iraq was being run was so bad that we had to step in as people were being killed (oil, oil, oil), yet we do not jump in to stop a death sentence here- although it is a killing that contravenes our own laws- again this seems a little contradictory to me.

7. I think it will make Saddam a martyr to kill him, and this is a bad idea. It would be far more damaging to his followers to see him degraded by a life sentence in jail, brought out in his pants every few years to remind the world of how the "mighty" Saddam's policies appear now.

8. Killing is wrong, and two wrongs don't make a right. My mum taught me that.

I am not in any way a "sympathiser" and to be honest, on another day I may have come here and posted very differently, but I do know that whilst the outcry against his actions is very just, I am far more concerned with the fact that many in the UK, and many citizens of the States refuse to see the atrocities their own Governments have commited in recent times.

 

[DN Tycoon]

Blah blah blah..always with the oil, it's a tired excuse and worn out. Sadman needs to be killed...he should be shot, stabbed, gassed, hung and buried in the streets of Iraq. The sense of putting murders in prison for a life sentence is down right ignorant considering that person will be getting 3 hots and a cot not to mention other amenities for free...and guess who gets to take care of the murderer for the rest of his/her life..the tax payers...you deliberately kill someone you should be killed 1 month after your court verdict.

 

[gingeman]

Blah blah blah..always with the oil, it's a tired excuse and worn out. Sadman needs to be killed...he should be shot, stabbed, gassed, hung and buried in the streets of Iraq. The sense of putting murders in prison for a life sentence is down right ignorant considering that person will be getting 3 hots and a cot not to mention other amenities for free...and guess who gets to take care of the murderer for the rest of his/her life..the tax payers...you deliberately kill someone you should be killed 1 month after your court verdict.

Ok, so, should your own president, equally responsible for the death of innocent people, also be hung? Or are the Iraqi people, (seen as "collateral damage") killed during the war brought by America, somehow different to those that Saddam killed with much the same excuse? And, unfortunately, if you think the oil is a tired excuse, you should look at how many people have been killed for it. Its not an excuse, your own media is so heavily censored you still have little idea of the extent of the importance of it, and as a nation are sometimes too arrogant to admit your own flaws. The political world revolves around money and power, and it is naive to think otherwise.

 

[DN Tycoon]

Ok, so, should your own president, equally responsible for the death of innocent people, also be hung? Or are the Iraqi people, (seen as "collateral damage") killed during the war brought by America, somehow different to those that Saddam killed with much the same excuse? And, unfortunately, if you think the oil is a tired excuse, you should look at how many people have been killed for it. Its not an excuse, your own media is so heavily censored you still have little idea of the extent of the importance of it, and as a nation are sometimes too arrogant to admit your own flaws. The political world revolves around money and power, and it is naive to think otherwise.

Please provide some proof about your oil statement with some facts and I will be more than happy to review them. The difference between Sadman and Bush is the same difference between the terrorists and the U.S....they attack innocent people on purpose making them targets.....we do not...this is a huge difference in which dismisses your theory of making the two the same. I no doubt know more than yourself about how the U.S media works and fully understand the bias BS that is portrayed by the media goons. You say we as a nation are too arrogant...this is where the table turns and where you fall into the media bs with that anti-American crap. The fact that the U.S goes out and helps other countries out even if they expect something in return is a great thing...I can;t say much for those who live in countries that sit on their asses and do nothing but point fingers at those who are doing something. You say the U.S would not be in Iraq if it was not for oil...guess what you have fallen for the media bs as you claimed I have... Let's stick to the facts at hand as they are...opinions are ok but facts are the only truth.

 

[gingeman]

The point is that you can no more prove it either way. I apologise if my above statement appeared to be anti-american as this was not my intent in any way. As for my statement that many have died for the oil in Iraq, I feel no obligation to prove it as I think it is clear enough in itself, and also something impossible to prove conclusively (either way) in detail. Both the USA and the UK are great nations in what they do for the world, and I am proud of the alliance between the two, I am just trying to provide an alternative viewpoint on the situation, as I believe both are guilty of their own crimes, which have resulted in the loss of innocent lives. Although Blair and Bush do not target innocent humans, they allow the loss of their life in pursuit of their political goals and a war I personally did not believe in. As for your comments about the media, I have a 2-1 degree in media studies, so I know my way around it.

p.s I will probably not reply here further as I don't want to take it off topic and am concerned the emphasis of what I have written may have been misconstrued. DnTycoon, I meant no offense to you, just playing devil's advocate.

 

[z888]

nice timing ... right before the elections

 

[DN Tycoon]

The point is that you can no more prove it either way. I apologise if my above statement appeared to be anti-american as this was not my intent in any way. As for my statement that many have died for the oil in Iraq, I feel no obligation to prove it as I think it is clear enough in itself, and also something impossible to prove conclusively (either way) in detail. Both the USA and the UK are great nations in what they do for the world, and I am proud of the alliance between the two, I am just trying to provide an alternative viewpoint on the situation, as I believe both are guilty of their own crimes, which have resulted in the loss of innocent lives. Although Blair and Bush do not target innocent humans, they allow the loss of their life in pursuit of their political goals and a war I personally did not believe in. As for your comments about the media, I have a 2-1 degree in media studies, so I know my way around it.

p.s I will probably not reply here further as I don't want to take it off topic and am concerned the emphasis of what I have written may have been misconstrued. DnTycoon, I meant no offense to you, just playing devil's advocate.

Good response, I took no offense in what you said I just jumped the gun as I am used to see people typing negative slams against the U.S. I agree our countries have their neatly hidden agendas I was just simply stating that the war itself was not because of oil although like I said it might be a hidden agenda attached to it. All governments are crooked in some aspects so nobody is safe from the onslaught. I agree with the war on Iraq but what I really dislike is the lack of the people in that country to stand up and act like it is their country...it would be great to see millions of Iraqis taking the streets to take back their country and tell us to get out they can handle it.....common sense tells us that we can not simply just leave as all hell would break loose...the people need to stop being in the background and start being a force to stop the insurgents.