TheDomainInvestors.com and DomainSecondhand.com is a scam

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For SEO and search engine purposes, let me restate that for the benefit of the community at large.

DomainSecondhand.com is a scam
DomainSecondhand.com is a scam
DomainSecondhand.com is a scam
"Human hand appraisals"
William Quigley (fake name) is a domain scammer
[email protected] is a scammer email address
Shirley M. Leurquin is a scam name
509-271-0875 is a scam phone number
This is a scam page: domaintalk.ourplace.com



Domain name: domainsecondhand.com?
Registrant Contact:
Perfect Privacy LLC
http://perfectprivacy.com
1.4042608491
Fax: +1.4042608493
303 Peachtree Center Ave
Atlanta, GA 30303

http://www.namepros.com/warnings-and-alerts/368466-scam-me-allen_asch-toughguy-net.html

http://snipurl.com/1ufn0

If you have been scammed by DomainSecondhand.com, dispute your changes to your credit card company immediately. Check the back of your card for the phone number. It usually takes 48 hours to process. Report it to your credit buereu if you gave them your credit card number!

If you have been SCAMMED BY DomainSecondhand.com, PLEASE contact their current payment processor at PLIMUS and let them know.

[email protected]
[email protected]

Also, contact their hosting company
[email protected]

THIS ORGANIZATION HAS BEEN SCAMMING PEOPLE FOR YEARS AND IT IS A BIG OPERATION. THIS IS NOT JUST ONE GUY. PLEASE COPY AND PASTE THIS INTO OTHER FORUMS. TOGETHER WE CAN SHUT THESE GUYS DOWN.

 

[DN BROKER]

The SCUMBAG is back:

Hello,

We buy and sell domains and web prjects. What is your price for the
domain?

If you have other domains for sale feel free to send your list.

Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,

Joseph Bortfeld

President

Domain Investing & Reselling
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[ran_doank]

I hate scams, the are horrible and the worst they get the more you pay

Clearly no one like scammer, but in fact, domainsecondhand.com still life and keep spamming people inbox with their scam email until know.
btw, i see they using:
dns2.registeredsite.com
dns1.registeredsite.com

its hosted in US.. right? :?

 

[Ylbam]

thedomaininvestors.com is a scam !

Here is the mail I've just received :

Dear X,

Happy New Year!

Can you accept 15,000 euros for the following package:
X.com
Y.com
Z.com

Do you sell domain with a web site or just the name?

Domain without content is ok with me. Web site is not necessary.

Have you had your domain names evaluated in the past? I mean domain appraisals. Without valuation we cannot be sure in the sale price. It's very important for me in terms of reselling too. But we must engage a valuation company with REAL manual service. So I will only accept valuations from independent sources I and my partners trust.

To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies.

Please check this blog with suggestions from other sellers and buyers:


If, for example, the valuation comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly. It will be fair. I also hope you can give me 12% - 15% discount.

After you send me the valuation via email (usually it takes 1-2 days to obtain it) we'll continue our negotiations.

What is your preferred payment method: Escrow.com, International wire transfer, PayPal.com or something else?

Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

Looking forward to your reply.

Richards

It's just a scam, as I have found other posts with almost the same text word by word on this forum.
For example :

http://www.namepros.com/401699-domainsecondhand-com-is-a-scam-3.html

They have just changed their domain name.

Beware.

---------- Post added at 05:34 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:25 PM ----------

I found it strange they were offering 4 times the prices listed on sedo.com

---------- Post added at 05:51 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:34 PM ----------

They redirect you there : http://www.researchappraisals.com

That's where they make money : 49 EUR for one domain "manual" appraisal.

 

[poorapagal]

hehe amazing :P

Just today I am in talks with this PRESIDENT of thedomaininvestors. He is offering me a few thousand euros and is suggesting I check out a few appraisal companies. I know what he's upto so I am just playing along ..

 

[domainerx]

I got an email also from the president of thedomaininvestor, although it wasn't as blatant as the first post. Was the name Gary something?

 

[poorapagal]

I got an email also from the president of thedomaininvestor, although it wasn't as blatant as the first post. Was the name Gary something?

Yups.. Gary the smart guy.. I mean how silly can one be. Copy pasting his response to a forum post which shows that it's what he is suggesting. I said to him suggest me a few names. He did and I went for the expensive one, he goes NO NO that will cost you a lot. I said yah I know u are buying so why not :P

 

[newguy]

thank you for the previous posts so i knew whom and what i was up to right away by the first mail. i have to admit i felt exited about someone being interested in my page at first, which is yet another reason to spread word about this scam.

i made the effort and copy paste it into right order, you know his text anways.

for the fun (and the question) scroll down



From: president at thedomaininvestors .com
To: me (edit)
Subject: (edit)
Date: (edit)

Hello,

We buy and sell domains and web prjects. What is your price for the domain?
If you have other domains for sale feel free to send your list.
Looking forward to do business with you.
Regards,

Gary Richards
President
The Domain Investors



From: me (edit)
To: president at thedomaininvestors .com
Sent: (edit)
Subject: (edit)

dear mr. PRESIDENT of the domainvestors.
starting price 100.000$.
no negotiations.
cheers

Dear (edit),

Happy New Year!

Can you accept 95,000 USD?
Do you sell domain with a web site or just the name?
Domain without content is ok with me. Web site is not necessary.

Have you had your domain names evaluated in the past? I mean domain appraisals. Without valuation we cannot be sure in the sale price. It's very important for me in terms of reselling too. But we must engage a valuation company with REAL manual service. So I will only accept valuations from independent sources I and my partners trust.

To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies.
Please check this blog with suggestions from other sellers and buyers:

If, for example, the valuation comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly. It will be fair. I also hope you can give me 12% - 15% discount.

After you send me the valuation via email (usually it takes 1-2 days to obtain it) we'll continue our negotiations.
What is your preferred payment method: Escrow.com, International wire transfer, PayPal.com or something else?
Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

Looking forward to your reply.



From: me (edit)
To: president at thedomaininvestors .com
Sent: (edit)
Subject: RE: (edit)

which part of "no negotiations" did your bot not understand

cheers



From: thedomaininvestors .com
To: me (edit)
Subject: Re: (edit)
Date: (edit)

It's a standard practice to show independent valuation to buyers/resellers.
Nobody will do business without it. I'm a businessman and have no intention
of changing rules which help both parties to avoid additional risks.

Of course, investors never take into account auto-generated valuations. So
manual valuation is a "must" too.

I read the following information about appraisals at:


Thank you for understanding. I'm looking forward to do business with you.



From: me (edit)
To: thedomaininvestors .com
Sent: (edit)
Subject: RE: (edit)

if this bot wants an evalution so badly go buy one yourself.
as a serious businessman it wont hurt your deep pockets.
and afterwards you pay me 100.000$ anyways.

thank you in advance


now i found the next answer in the forum, so i wrote


From: me (edit)
To: thedomaininvestors .com
Sent: (edit)
Subject: RE: (edit)

and please dont send me next :

> It's a big risk to proceed without professional valuation. I already spoke
> to industry experts and they prohibited me to do business without
> valuation..

> Without manual valuation nobody will buy. You'll sit on your domain for
> years in this case, paying renewal fees to your registrar. Just think about
> it. So sooner or later, you'll have to obtain an appraisal. Why waste time
> now?

> As a seller, you can use a valuation certificate to sell names to other
> buyers. I cannot do the same because I don't keep control over your domain.

> I'm still interested in your domain. Hope you'll change your position. I
> simply don't want to take additional risks.

> Thank you for understanding. I'm looking forward to do business with you.

getting a text like that would lead to exessive anger and pain. i might sue you for 100.000$ if you still do so.

thanks


but ...


From: thedomaininvestors.com
To: me (edit)
Subject: Re: (edit)
Date: (edit)

It's a big risk to proceed without professional valuation. I already spoke
to industry experts and they prohibited me to do business without
valuation..

Without manual valuation nobody will buy. You'll sit on your domain for
years in this case, paying renewal fees to your registrar. Just think about
it. So sooner or later, you'll have to obtain an appraisal. Why waste time
now?

As a seller, you can use a valuation certificate to sell names to other
buyers. I cannot do the same because I don't keep control over your domain.

I'm still interested in your domain. Hope you'll change your position. I
simply don't want to take additional risks.

Thank you for understanding. I'm looking forward to do business with you.




question: do we have a case with this guy ignoring my warning (and all the future warnings to come by all people hes trying to rip of) and willingly causing all the pain ? :tri:

 

[kbm]

I just received an email from this guy, I then googled his email address.

he says he wants to pay 5k for a domain that I have, I just have to get an evaluation done. I told him if he wants one then he can pay for it, lol.

 

[poorapagal]

Hehe this Gary Richards isnt giving up is he. I wonder what nuts like that get out of starting off in such a bad way. I mean don't they get it that people on the other side "have a brain"?


:P

 

[Rockstar82]

I always google people that want to do business with me, in this case I saw the whois record first, and the mail domain was registered the 31st of december 2009.... I then saw this thread, thanks for putting it up guys!

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Hello,

We buy and sell domains and web prjects. What is your price for the domain?

If you have other domains for sale feel free to send your list.

Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,

Gary Richards

President

The Domain Investors

 

[kbm]

I just received this

friedman AT thedomaininvestors.com

Hello,

We buy and sell domains and web prjects. What is your price for the domain?

If you have other domains for sale feel free to send your list.

Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,

Daniel Friedman

President

Online Investment & Consulting LLC

This is a second email.

 

[mrph]

Hey,

Thanks for this forum as it clearly confirmed my theory of this being a scam.

Of course since I am not getting my money I am getting some fun out of it by stringing the guy along until he snaps / goes crazy.

Scam me and I screw you ... simple laws of the world


Cheers,

mrph

 

[dotker]

I think this guy had been doing this for years now.. I also got a couple of emails from this guy with a different name.

 

[JoYzed]

Same here, tx for advice !



JoYz à paulson

Yuck Fou !


Z.


2010/1/21 <[email protected]>

Hello,

We buy and sell domains and web pr®jects. What is your price for the domain?
If you have other domains for sale feel free to send your list.
Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,

Robert Paulson

President

Online Investment & Consulting LLC

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[oscarg]

Damn, I just read this forum after I have paid for a manual appraisal. I think I lost €49,- for nothing.

I also have received exactly the same emails. In my case, the sender was 'daniel friedman' (email: friedman / a / thedomaininvestors.com).

I don't think now, I can see forward to my appraisal anymore. Let's wait and see if I receive something. If not, I will tell the police via email. (Hopefully, they will put more resources on internet crime).

Regards,

Oscar

 

[dotker]

I don't know how this people get away with it for years and sad nobody is doing about it or complain their domains..

 

[bozah]

is this person a scammer?

a few days ago i received a mail from this guy who calls himself Paulson

with a Url name thedomaininvestors .com He claims to be buying and selling domains and business projects.

i'll be glad with your views.

 

[Kate]

Google search: domain appraisal scam.

 

[the_poet]

a few days ago i received a mail from this guy who calls himself Paulson

with a Url name thedomaininvestors .com.He claims to be buying and selling domains and business projects.

i'll be glad with your views.

Take a look at this.

 

[Mathieu_rz]

well listen bud yes the owner of Domainsecondhand.com is i-framing DNDBOARD.COM , but the question is why within the bunch of billions websites around he's iframing yours? anyways if its as you clams and you have nothing todo with the big fat scammer of Domainsecondhand.com , accept my sincere apology :] otherwise the owner of Domainsecondhand.com whatever is you or not ,should realy sit with him self and give a thought of everything he's doing and think if it's worth to do this for a bunch of dollars? robbing others money? is he realy comfy spending 'em ?! I dont think so , the guy who made this big joke Domainsecondhand.com is a sicko and needs to see a shrink .

First, Thank you Dear Sir(s), Madam(s).. excellent research!! awesome!! 1 Post and Bangg..
But..let me clarify something..

I am the owner of DNDBOARD.COM. Check the site and then (view the source)
And Now, please visit the scammer on this thread at Domainsecondhand.com (then check the source) . Please, check it out!

See the difference? Man, You should understand what is "frames" mean .. If the scammer(Domainsecondhand.com) fram-ing google.. im sure you will put google email and phone number..

Please, go back to previous page on this thread and see my post there.. "Domainsecondhand.com Framing My Site"..

And Now My question, You List My Name There.. That's Mean you accuse Me.. can you Tell me what is your methods and step until you can tell That i'm the scammer?

Mathieu_rz, You have demand to sue Me?
My answer: As long Im not doing something wrong,scamming people,kill people etc,etc.. I am Ready..

BTW, I can see you thread @ DP also:
a. forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1611784 - Domain Appraisee's
b. forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1580223 - scammer alert - [email protected]

You must really proud.. Thank you for your entertainment.