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For SEO and search engine purposes, let me restate that for the benefit of the community at large.

DomainSecondhand.com is a scam
DomainSecondhand.com is a scam
DomainSecondhand.com is a scam
"Human hand appraisals"
William Quigley (fake name) is a domain scammer
[email protected] is a scammer email address
Shirley M. Leurquin is a scam name
509-271-0875 is a scam phone number
This is a scam page: domaintalk.ourplace.com



Domain name: domainsecondhand.com?
Registrant Contact:
Perfect Privacy LLC
http://perfectprivacy.com
1.4042608491
Fax: +1.4042608493
303 Peachtree Center Ave
Atlanta, GA 30303

http://www.namepros.com/warnings-and-alerts/368466-scam-me-allen_asch-toughguy-net.html

http://snipurl.com/1ufn0

If you have been scammed by DomainSecondhand.com, dispute your changes to your credit card company immediately. Check the back of your card for the phone number. It usually takes 48 hours to process. Report it to your credit buereu if you gave them your credit card number!

If you have been SCAMMED BY DomainSecondhand.com, PLEASE contact their current payment processor at PLIMUS and let them know.

[email protected]
[email protected]

Also, contact their hosting company
[email protected]

THIS ORGANIZATION HAS BEEN SCAMMING PEOPLE FOR YEARS AND IT IS A BIG OPERATION. THIS IS NOT JUST ONE GUY. PLEASE COPY AND PASTE THIS INTO OTHER FORUMS. TOGETHER WE CAN SHUT THESE GUYS DOWN.
 
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I WAS going to use them, till I looked up their domain on these forums! Thanks so much for the heads up, I think more people should be alerted about these criminals.
 
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Another example from me:
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Hello,

Our company is interested in your domain name. What is your price?

We have a solid investing budget and our company is very interested in Internet names and web sites.

If you have other domains for sale feel free to send your list.

Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,

Bradford Whitman

CEO

Domain & Web Site Brokerage
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NOTICE - This communication may contain confidential and privileged
information that is for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
viewing, copying or distribution of, or reliance on this message by
unintended recipients is strictly prohibited. If you have received this
message in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message
and deleting it from your computer.
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Can you accept 5,000 USD?

Do you sell domain with a web site or just the name?

Domain without content is ok with me. Web site is not necessary.

Have you had your domain names evaluated in the past? I mean domain appraisals. Without valuation we cannot be sure in the sale price. It's very important for me in terms of reselling too. But we must engage a valuation company with REAL manual service. So I will only accept valuations from independent sources I and my partners trust.

To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies.

If, for example, the valuation comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly. It will be fair. I also hope you can give me 12% - 15% discount.

After you send me the valuation via email (usually it takes 1-2 days to obtain it) we'll continue our negotiations.

What is your preferred payment method: Escrow.com, International wire transfer, PayPal.com or something else?

Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

Looking forward to your reply.
 
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I received an email from DomainSecondhand.com today..... "Bradford Whitman"

Thank you to everyone here at namepros.com for this thread and the heads up. Below is the email I received today for one of my domains I am selling on ebay right now.



Hello,

Our company is interested in your domain name. What is your price?

We have a solid investing budget and our company is very interested in
Internet names and web sites.

If you have other domains for sale feel free to send your list.

Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,

Bradford Whitman

CEO

Domain & Web Site Brokerage
 
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Just received the same email. Going to act like I am interested. :)
 
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He's back.

Have to admit this one nearly got me. The appraisal service he is indirectly pushing now is namesaleshop.com.

I was suspicious that someone would give me $5,000 for a domain I paid $6 for 3 days ago, but it's actually a pretty subtle scam; the only reason I figured it out was because of the blog he linked to which has no message board content at all and is clearly just a made-up discussion. Still, fairly clever to make up a fake forum thread instead of directly telling me which appraisal to use.

I popped his email address ([email protected]) into Google and wound up here. Thanks for confirming my suspicion.

So, just to re-iterate:

NameSaleShop = Scam
NameSaleShop is a scam. NameSaleShop is a scam. NameSaleShop is a scam. NameSaleShop is a scam.

I also find it odd that "secondhanddomain.com" has a frame redirect to sedo.com. Lovely...
 
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I just received this myself. I replied with:


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Hello Bradford,

Yes, this domain is selling for the bargain price of only $3,500,000.00.

Payment accepted in silver dollars only.

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damn it:P i thought i'll become rich:)) received the same email
Code:
Hello,

Our company is interested in your domain name. What is your price?

We have a solid investing budget and our company is very interested in
Internet names and web sites.

If you have other domains for sale feel free to send your list.

Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,

Bradford Whitman

CEO

Domain & Web Site Brokerage
========================================================
NOTICE - This communication may contain confidential and privileged
information that is for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
viewing, copying or distribution of, or reliance on this message by
unintended recipients is strictly prohibited. If you have received this
message in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message
and deleting it from your computer.
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thanks for this information. Today I received an email from them:

[email protected]
Hello,
Our company is in online business for several years. We are investing in
domains and web sites. What is your price for the domain name?

We have a solid budget but we offer reasonable offers only. We will not
overpay. If you have other domains for sale feel free to send your list.

Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,
Joseph Sullivan
President
Domain & Web Site Brokerage
 
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So I decided to play with him to see how far he'd go. Here is the
whole back-and-forth email conversation:

(READ TOP TO BOTTOM)

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Hello,

Our company is interested in your domain name. What is your price?

We have a solid investing budget and our company is very interested in
Internet names and web sites.

If you have other domains for sale feel free to send your list.

Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,

Bradford Whitman

CEO

Domain & Web Site Brokerage


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My Reply:
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Hello Bradford,

OracleProperties.com is selling for the bargain price of only $3,500,000.00.

Payment accepted in silver dollars only.

Gene


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His Reply:
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Can you accept 3,400,000.00 USD?

Do you sell domain with a web site or just the name?

Domain without content is ok with me. Web site is not necessary.

Have you had your domain names evaluated in the past? I mean domain
appraisals. Without valuation we cannot be sure in the sale price. It's very
important for me in terms of reselling too. But we must engage a valuation
company with REAL manual service. So I will only accept valuations from
independent sources I and my partners trust.

To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal
companies.

Please check this blog with suggestions from other sellers and buyers:
webdiscuss.007sites.com/Archive-07-2009/9172614.htm <-- HIS SCAM SITE!

If, for example, the valuation comes higher you can adjust your asking price
accordingly. It will be fair. I also hope you can give me 12% - 15%
discount.

After you send me the valuation via email (usually it takes 1-2 days to
obtain it) we'll continue our negotiations.

What is your preferred payment method: Escrow.com, International wire
transfer, PayPal.com or something else?

Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

Looking forward to your reply.

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Note #1: He wants to pay me $3,400,000! Wohoo! I can retire!

Note #2: The link in the above email message leads to a 'forum'
which is 100% PHONY. Put into place to make people think his
offer is legit.


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My Reply:
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Hello Bradford,

Sorry, but I'm sticking to my guns. I want $3,500,000.00, not
$3,400,000.00. Just send the payment to my address in the
whois record. Remember, I accept Silver Dollars only. Once
I receive the payment, I'll transfer the domain to you
immediately. Please allow 3 days for me to count the coins.

Best,

Gene

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His Reply:
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No proble,

It's a standard practice to show independent valuation to
buyers/resellers. Nobody will do business without it. I'm
a businessman and have no intention of changing rules
which help both parties to avoid additional risks.

Of course, investors never take into account auto-generated
valuations. So manual valuation is a "must" too.

I read the following information about appraisals at:
(link to same scam site)

Thank you for understanding. I'm looking forward to do
business with you.


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My Reply:
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Dear Bradford,

Thank you so much for this opportunity. $3,500,000.00 will
surely come in handy. I need a new car. Oh, and I think I'll
splurge and buy me a new iPod too.

I love Silver dollars, don't you? They're SO shiny. I just
hope I'll be able to count them all without losing count
halfway through, that would be a bummer! By the way, do
you sell coin-counting machines? If you do, send one along
and just deduct the cost from the total.

I looked at the site you linked me to. Quite impressive! My
only problem is that I can't read. It's an unfortunate part
of my upbringing -- long story. I can write with no problem,
but I cannot read to save my life! I have to have everything
read to my by my assistant, but she is is currently in the
hospital having a hangnail removed. You know how painful
those can be.

Anyway, I'm anxious to do business! My address again is in
the whois info. I know $3,500,000.00 worth of silver dollars
is going to be a very heavy package, but I think there's
enough room in my garage. I've already cleared a space and
set up 12 banquet tables. I figure I'll have my friends come
over and help me count to speed the process. I don't mind
if they pocket a few for themselves. The BEST part is, since
the 12 banquet tables will already be set up, we can CELEBRATE
and have a big feast after we're done counting! I'd like to
invite you to celebrate with us... just give me a call!

Thanks again,

Gene


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He actually replied:
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As a seller you should provide me with an appraisal first.
This is a reasonable practice. I've found not all the
appraisals are accurate. So I accept real manual appraisals
from trusted sources only. I don't trust $14-$20 services.
Nobody will do a research for $14. We need a real manual
service. I researched several companies and here are the results:

(here he lists four legitimate appraisal services but claims they are fraudulant)

Many experienced sellers suggested us http://www.(edited).com
as a trustworth manual service. They charge per name not per
hour. We've read only positive comments about them. And I
have my own positive experience with this company and their support.

Bradford

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My Reply:
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Hello again Bradford,

Thanks for getting back to me, I've been waiting all day.
I'm very sad that after all our emails you haven't agreed
to my request for silver dollars. Let me know if you agree,
then I will have the domain appraised for you. I have to
cut this short because I haven't been to the bathroom all
day, waiting for you. I really have to go now.

Bye,

Gene

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His Reply:
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No deal without appraisal from a trusted source. This simple
rule has saved me a lot of money and time. Feel free to
contact me when you change your position and let's do
business the right way.

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My Reply:
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Hi again Bradford,

I must have typed my last message too fast for you to keep
up with, because I said I would get an appraisal. I'm typing
this message much slower so you don't miss anything this time.

A friend of mine let me know that 3.5 million silver dollars
would weigh over 103 tons, and recommended this method of
transportation: Antonov An-225 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Another option would be for me to fly to your location and
spend the silver dollars there. We could go shopping together!
Wouldn't that be fun? The first thing I'd do is buy you a
conscience. Let me know what you think.

Gene

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This is getting better by the minute. Seems my pal
'Bradford' is getting tired. He just replied again
with only four words:
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Show me the appraisal

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My Reply:
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Say 'please'.

Gene

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Well, well. Bradford seems to have had enough. His latest
email now contained only TWO words. I think you can guess
the words. It rhymes with Yuck Foo.
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My reply back to that was:

Sorry, that's not negotiable.

Gene









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Amazing :laugh:
 
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good play, Gene!:lol:
103 tons:O:O
 
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Now using

They are now using this email address : [email protected]
and this name : Joseph Sullivan
trying to push this phony appraisal service : Domain Services



I say somebody find a script that can send over 10,000 emails a day from a server located somewhere in asia and we flood their mailbox every single time they send their scam stuff to someone from np.
 
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Just registered to thanks for the heads up on this scammer, this thread comes up tops for his domain name. :)
 
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Just got a mail myself for a domain I can't give away if I tried - Defy.biz :)

From: [email protected]

Hello,

Our company is in online business for several years. We are investing in domains and web sites. What is your price for the domain name?

We have a solid budget but we offer reasonable offers only. We will not overpay. If you have other domains for sale feel free to send your list.

Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,

Joseph Sullivan

President

Domain & Web Site Brokerage
========================================================
NOTICE - This communication may contain confidential and privileged information that is for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any viewing, copying or distribution of, or reliance on this message by unintended recipients is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer.
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A quick search revealed this thread, so another heads up
 
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Got him.

Going to do a 'Gene' on him :D
 
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i got one today as well,
Gene post is hilarious!

I ll play with him also!

My first reply:

Hello Mr. Joseph Sullivan.
I feel so happy receiving your email, i ought to thank you and your company for giving me this great chance to make money by selling my precious lucky domain.
This domain is for sale at $1, but since its co-owned by my big Greek family you must send your reply with offer to the following 3 emails as well:

- my brothers email: [email protected]
- my moms email: [email protected]
- my dads email: [email protected]
and of course my grandmas email: [email protected]

After that we can talk more about sending payment.

Anxiously waiting for your reply and truly yours,
Makis.
 
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Attention, they are active again.

They are now using this email address : [email protected]
and this name : Bradford Whitman
 
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Received same mail almost trapped and finally realized it was scam by seeing the reference site and email.


Fcuk off Joseph
 
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Got an email the other day from Joe Sullivan. By the way the email was written I could tell it was an obvious appraisal scam.. I'll admit setting up a blog at domainsecondhand.com is a little clever and could trick some.

Gene - LMAO!
 
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Nice to see Gene post, since I got one today, and I try to research first.
 
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