The USA Political Thread

lennco · Jul 20, 2012

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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sonatime · Jun 26, 2021

Domainace said:
This will be laughed at, but I don't think anyone should be allowed to hold public office who hasn't done something in real life first. We have all these people making rules for the world, and they have never had to live in the world themselves. Get the parasites out.

The governor of Michigan is a prime example. Aside from one rule for the peasants and one for her, where does a civil servant come up with the money for a holiday by private jet?

You really want to go after the wealthy? Follow the money - take out their minions who pretend to be representing the people while they are just helping their rich benefactors get richer.

Political corruption will be proportionate to the level of power and influence a government possess. The only way to shrink it would be to shrink regulation and its role. Even if the populace gets lucky electing honest politicians there is still lifer bureaucrats infesting the gov power structure.
Also, I don't believe going after the rich is effective, eliminating corruption and applying the law equally would be a start but best check would be creating opportunity for the the middle class to rise.

Living off the bureaucratic political power structure appears to be as addictive just as living off the taxpayer.
I'm paraphrasing an idea: those who can, do, those who can not, teach, and the rest work for the government or become politicians.

sonatime · Jun 27, 2021

https://twitter.com/x/status/1408741921846181894

sonatime · Jun 27, 2021

Stating the obvious but still good to see it being picked up by the media.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ms-President-Biden-mentally-unfit-office.html

Domainace · Jun 27, 2021

sonatime said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1408741921846181894

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This is how the US justice system works. Half of all males will be arrested sometime during their lives and 90% will be convicted - not by trial but by being coerced to plea bargain. Those jury trials you see on TV are the rare exceptions - the US "justice" system would collapse if there were no plea bargains. They could hardly arrest half the male population if they all had to go to fair trial. The system would grind to a halt.

Instead they arrest someone, and then they threaten that person with outrageously extreme prison sentences unless they cop a plea. "You downloaded a pirated copy of Little Mermaid. You're looking at 20 years in prison.... unless you make it easy for us by pleading guilty. Then it's a suspended sentence and a fine." Voila - high conviction rates.

I was going over a Mongolian legal paper proposing the use of plea bargains to address white collar crime. But one point they made was that they didn't want to become like the USA, where everybody gets convicted, even the innocent, by feeling forced to plea.

Imagine that, the Mongolian government being more concerned about human rights and justice than the US government.

sonatime · Jun 27, 2021

Domainace said:
This is how the US justice system works. Half of all males will be arrested sometime during their lives and 90% will be convicted - not by trial but by being coerced to plea bargain. Those jury trials you see on TV are the rare exceptions - the US "justice" system would collapse if there were no plea bargains. They could hardly arrest half the male population if they all had to go to fair trial. The system would grind to a halt.

Instead they arrest someone, and then they threaten that person with outrageously extreme prison sentences unless they cop a plea. "You downloaded a pirated copy of Little Mermaid. You're looking at 20 years in prison.... unless you make it easy for us by pleading guilty. Then it's a suspended sentence and a fine." Voila - high conviction rates.

I was going over a Mongolian legal paper proposing the use of plea bargains to address white collar crime. But one point they made was that they didn't want to become like the USA, where everybody gets convicted, even the innocent, by feeling forced to plea.

Imagine that, the Mongolian government being more concerned about human rights and justice than the US government.

The problem in America is clearly a case of political factions acting similar to domestic enemies. To add to your point the political prosecution from the left using IRS to go after conservative charities under Obama. Dinesh D'souza's political prosecution case also comes to mind, and the pressure he was put under to plead guilty.

America is corrupt from within and on an ideological war path to be overthrown as a world power once it is not needed anymore, just check WEF talking points. Poorer countries with homogeneous populations probably have to be practical and exist within their means if they are to stay autonomous and are not ideologically driven to create political power structures that can be used at random. They also don't have the luxury or the curse of the US dollar by default being the world's reserve currency.

I'm sure CIA already has a plan for Mongolia in a form of a gift of US taxpayer monies funding culturally detrimental field of study

mr-x · Jun 27, 2021

sonatime said:
Political corruption will be proportionate to the level of power and influence a government possess. The only way to shrink it would be to shrink regulation and its role. Even if the populace gets lucky electing honest politicians there is still lifer bureaucrats infesting the gov power structure.
Also, I don't believe going after the rich is effective, eliminating corruption and applying the law equally would be a start but best check would be creating opportunity for the the middle class to rise.

Living off the bureaucratic political power structure appears to be as addictive just as living off the taxpayer.
I'm paraphrasing an idea: those who can, do, those who can not, teach, and the rest work for the government or become politicians.

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I was thinking about how the R's missed a the opportunity of a lifetime not reforming public employee laws, requiring accountability and making it easier to fire bad people.