The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[mr-x]

Trump is a Traitor.

I have No Doubt about that.

If the Durham report sees the light of day, I expect you'll be proven wrong.

Joe Biden violated his oath of office and was paid to modify US foreign policy. The proof has been made public.

 

[Joe N]

If the Durham report sees the light of day, I expect you'll be proven wrong.

Joe Biden violated his oath of office and was paid to modify US foreign policy. The proof has been made public.

Has there ever been a politician who wasn't crooked in some way?

 

[mr-x]

Oh sorry, I thought you could Google them:

https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2...stody-as-police-investigate-threat-of-attack/

https://www.foxnews.com/us/philly-police-threat-to-pennsylvania-convention-center-votes-report

https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/new...-get-tip-of-convention-center-threat/2587411/

Looks interesting! I'll check it out. It's good to ingest media on both sides of a position to keep from only feeding our already existing biases. Do you do that too?

Thank you. Don't be offended or put off because I demand proof. The US media is corrupt and has lied to Americans for 12 years.

 

[mr-x]

Has there ever been a politician who wasn't crooked in some way?

George Washington, John Adams, Abraham Lincoln, Jimmy Carter come to mind.

 

[Keith]

You are hopeless. I don't if you have a reading comprehension issue or you just don't read. I literally just went over all that.

Let’s simplify this.

There are 50 states, all of which offered some form of mail in ballot. You’re suggesting that 70% or more of people that requested these mail ins were democratic. The math and probability doesn’t work that way. It would be more closer to 50/50. And you go further to say that it’s somehow tracked, as if Joe requests a ballot for mail in and the powers that be already know how he will vote.

So yes, when basically all the mail in votes go for one guy, well, it’s an obvious red flag.

 

[GILSAN]

Wasnt Kathy Griffin the never funny comedian one showing fake Trump ISIS-style behead?

Were any actions taken on her account (That re-tweeted it?) got her fired from CNN after all;

Nothing from Twitter; Same Censor bulll***** Cant have best of both prevent others share

Why would Twitter ban that bitch? She's a Trump hating Liberal after all. Here's her re-tweet from yesterday:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1324400472866709504

And her re-tweet from today:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1324483821648056320

Time to clip Twitter's wings... should have been done a few years ago!

 

[Joe N]

George Washington, John Adams, Abraham Lincoln, Jimmy Carter come to mind.

I know their historical reputations are great, but I doubt anyone could ever attain that level of political success without playing dirty along the way.

This guy seems to think Lincoln wasn't as great as we think:

https://www.amazon.com/Lincoln-Unmasked-Youre-Supposed-Dishonest/dp/0307338428

 

[Joe N]

Let’s simplify this.

There are 50 states, all of which offered some form of mail in ballot. You’re suggesting that 70% or more of people that requested these mail ins were democratic. The math and probability doesn’t work that way. It would be more closer to 50/50. And you go further to say that it’s somehow tracked, as if Joe requests a ballot for mail in and the powers that be already know how he will vote.

So yes, when basically all the mail in votes go for one guy, well, it’s an obvious red flag.

Didn't Trump encourage all his supporters to avoid mail-in ballots because he didn't trust them?

It's Marketing 101, right? Biden encouraged mail-in. Trump discouraged it. Is it crazy to think that people listened to their leaders?

 

[lennco]

Let’s simplify this.

There are 50 states, all of which offered some form of mail in ballot. You’re suggesting that 70% or more of people that requested these mail ins were democratic. The math and probability doesn’t work that way. It would be more closer to 50/50. And you go further to say that it’s somehow tracked, as if Joe requests a ballot for mail in and the powers that be already know how he will vote.

So yes, when basically all the mail in votes go for one guy, well, it’s an obvious red flag.

Normally yes but Trump convinced his "People" not to use mail in voting so there's that.

 

[GILSAN]

I was fine in my state.... In San Diego Cali .... i had 4 dudes want to fight me because i had a MAGA T-Shirt on ..... In Chicago i damn near got killed because i was asked if i was a Trump follower ... In Minneapolis Minnesota i was shoved to the ground by? for wearing a MAGA T-shirt ...

It's gonna get worse for you and any Conservative that shows up wearing anything MAGA from now on, regardless of whether Trump or Biden wins.

But you are right... it's gonna have to be an eye for an eye... do back to them what they've been doing to you!

 

[Keith]

Didn't Trump encourage all his supporters to avoid mail-in ballots because he didn't trust them?

It's Marketing 101, right? Biden encouraged mail-in. Trump discouraged it. Is it crazy to think that people listened to their leaders?

One, the mail in was used as a safe way for people to vote because of Covid. I doubt there was persuasion either way.

But you make a good point. One side had to push for mail in because the potential for disruption and fraud is much higher. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/10/27/kentucky-postal-worker-charged-for-throwing-111-ballots-in-dumpster/amp/
You also have to question states like Pennsylvania who refused to let ballot watchers near the counters. Can you give one good reason why that would be? I’ll tell you why. Shady shit is going on!

 

[mr-x]

Our media.

 

[mr-x]

Normally yes but Trump convinced his "People" not to use mail in voting so there's that.

Trump encouraged people to use absentee ballots that can be tracked or vote in person

 

[Joe N]

One, the mail in was used as a safe way for people to vote because of Covid. I doubt there was persuasion either way.

But you make a good point. One side had to push for mail in because the potential for disruption and fraud is much higher. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...ged-for-throwing-111-ballots-in-dumpster/amp/
You also have to question states like Pennsylvania who refused to let ballot watchers near the counters. Can you give one good reason why that would be? I’ll tell you why. Shady shit is going on!

There was persuasion both ways. Trump discouraged the use of mail-in. Biden encouraged it to keep voters safe in the midst of a pandemic.

There's never been any evidence to support the assertion that mail-in ballots are a major (or even minor) source of election fraud.

By "ballot watchers", do you mean Trump supporters who showed up and wanted to be allowed access to a secure site? Yes, I should hope any such people would be denied access. Partisan ballot watchers are identified ahead of time and are present during the entirety of the counting process.

 

[Keith]

The cool thing is that blockchain will eventually be used as the only way to vote, or the majority way at least. Quick count, accurate, fool proof.

 

[jberryhill]

To lazy to check the facts about a car load of people heading to Philly with evil intentions?? Not a car load of men, only one person, taken in to custody but not charged with a crime. Source of story was Reuters.

Wow. Such hostility.

This thing is really easy to figure out.

The paper of record in Philadelphia is the Philadelphia Inquirer:

https://www.inquirer.com/news/qanon-arrest-philadelphia-plot-election-2020-20201106.html

Now, one of the reasons we know it was two men is that there is both ground footage and helicopter footage of the arrests, which you can watch at any of the local Philly TV News stations, e.g.:

https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/new...-get-tip-of-convention-center-threat/2587411/

Their vehicle has even received a parking ticket:

From the ground footage and the vehicle details, it is pretty easy to identify one of the guys they arrested:

He is Antonio La Motta who, until quite recently, was proud of having his Hummer in social media:

Among other things, he acted as a bodyguard for Qanon-supporting VA State Senator Amanda Chase when she ran for governor:

And, no, no police department immediately releases the names of arrestees when there is an active investigation going on. They were taken into custody on probable cause of weapons violations, and will likely be booked in the next 12 to 24 hours. Watch for La Motta - who is quite a real person - to come up.

 

[Keith]

There was persuasion both ways. Trump discouraged the use of mail-in. Biden encouraged it to keep voters safe in the midst of a pandemic.

There's never been any evidence to support the assertion that mail-in ballots are a major (or even minor) source of election fraud.

By "ballot watchers", do you mean Trump supporters who showed up and wanted to be allowed access to a secure site? Yes, I should hope any such people would be denied access. Partisan ballot watchers are identified ahead of time and are present during the entirety of the counting process.

Umm, they had a court order and were denied access. What’s to hide?

 

[Joe N]

Trump encouraged people to use absentee ballots that can be tracked or vote in person

Those are different from mail-in ballots. You need pre-approval and a valid reason to obtain an absentee ballot, so there are way fewer of those than there are mail-in ballots.

Great explanation of the difference here:

https://www.dictionary.com/e/absentee-ballot-vs-mail-in-ballot/

Some handy information about fraud and voting by mail as well:

Misinformation about voting by mail
Since we’re here, let’s put to bed some myths and misinformation about voting by mail:

• Voting fraud is extremely rare in the US, and voting by mail is no exception. In the past 20 years, over 250,000,000 votes have been cast by mail, and according to data from the Heritage Foundation, there have been only 1,285 proven cases of voter fraud resulting in 1,100 convictions.
• Studies done by such organizations as Stanford University have found that voting by mail does not favor voter share or turnout of either major political party. Expanding access to voting by mail is generally considered great for all voters and their ability to exercise their right to vote.

 

[GILSAN]

we don't see it that way.... many states don't have just mail in voting.... they have absentee voting for those that are out of the state and for those incapacitated ... aside from those two.. they don't offer just mail in ballots.

none the less you and i will disagree on mail in ballots... we will just have to see how it all plays out and ect

In Europe, only the UK uses mail-in voting. All other countries don't trust it for obvious reasons.

Around the world I imagine it would be the same. Does Canada use mail-in?

Mail-in voting is easily manipulated!

 

[Joe N]

Umm, they had a court order and were denied access. What’s to hide?

Can you link me to a story with some verified details?