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Disgusting. The Marxists and their brainless minions are winning. They will divide the country by race and by creed. Reading in the comments how many white people say they go out of their way to avoid black people now - because they don't want this kind of trouble.

Imagine being an employer. Would you want to hire a worker who can bring your whole business down if he becomes dissatisfied? All he has to do is shout racism and your life is over.

Her husband was fired from Oakland University as well - for defending his pregnant wife!

Completely depraved and cowardly people in charge.

Anyone who thinks a country like this will still be a leading nation in 20 years is living in dreamland.
 
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German Politician Forcibly Removed from Parliament after Slamming Left-Wing Stuttgart riots
Independent Member of Parliament Dr. Heinrich Fiechtner was forcibly removed from Stuttgart Germanyโ€™s state parliament by police on Wednesday after he slammed the left-wing parties running Germany.

Dr. Fiechtner accused them of โ€œhaving blood on their handsโ€ for flooding the country with migrants who screamed โ€œAllahu Akbarโ€ as they took part in the massive riots in Stuttgart last week. Fiechtnerโ€™s powerful speech has been widely condemned by left-wing politicians and media as โ€œhate speechโ€œ. โ€œHate speechโ€ is the Marxist version of Islamic blasphemy laws.

State Parliamentary President, Turkish Muslim Muhterem Aras from the communist Greens Party, went so far as to expel the politician during the debate over the Stuttgart riots, even calling the police to remove him. He was also suspended for five sessions of parliament.

Hilarious, the Germans try to put their Nazi past behind them but 70 years later they stop the free speech in Parliament...
 
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How Trump Could Lose the Election and Remain President

A step-by-step guide to what might happen if he refuses to concede.

At the end of his congressional testimony in February, Michael Cohen, Donald Trumpโ€™s former fixer, floated a nightmarish possibility.

โ€œGiven my experience working for Mr. Trump,โ€ Cohen said, โ€œI fear that if he loses in 2020, that there will never be a peaceful transition of power.โ€

Cohenโ€™s comments may seem hyperbolic, but they are worth taking seriously. In the aftermath of 2018, Trump told reporters, โ€œRepublicans donโ€™t win, and thatโ€™s because of potentially illegal votes.โ€ In a 2016 presidential debate, Trump refused to say whether he would accept defeat. โ€œIโ€™ll keep you in suspense,โ€ he declared. Since that election, Trump has routinely said that his popular vote defeat was the product of โ€œmillions and millionsโ€ of illegal ballots. Now, facing potential legal jeopardy from ongoing investigations into hush-money payments and any number of apparent financial crimes, he might reasonably conclude that staying in office is the only way to avoid being indicted.

So what would it look like if Trump refused to concede? Is there really a way he could stay in office? Itโ€™s unlikely. For starters, successful autocrats rarely lose elections. โ€œThey take steps to rig it well in advance,โ€ said Steven Levitsky, a comparative political scientist at Harvard University and the coauthor of How Democracies Die. They pack electoral authorities, jail opponents, and silence unfriendly media outlets. Americaโ€™s extremely decentralized electoral system and powerful, well-funded opposition makes this very difficult to pull off.

The U.S. also lacks the kind of politicized military that lets some discredited autocrats, like Venezuelaโ€™s Nicholรกs Maduro, hang on. โ€œI canโ€™t imagine the military accepting an effort to turn them into a partisan arm of the executive,โ€ said Robert Mickey, a political scientist at the University of Michigan who researches the history of authoritarianism in the American South.

But while nationwide cheating may be impossible, the Republican Party has proven more than willing to violate democratic norms where it has local control, and not every powerful institution is as neutral as the military. There is a sequence of events, each individually plausible, that would allow Trump to remain president despite losing the electionโ€”breaking American democracy in the process.

โ€œI think we know that Trump will certainly, no matter what the result is, be likely to declare that there was fraud and that he was the rightful victor,โ€ said Joseph Fishkin, a law professor at the University of Texas who studies elections.

Letโ€™s assume that Fishkin is right. Hereโ€™s what could keep Trump in power.

1. The election is close.

If Trump lost in a blowout, alleging fraud would accomplish little. Even entrenched autocrats are often forced from office when they are heftily defeated.

But that doesnโ€™t mean the race would need to be a redux of 2000, when George W. Bush won the presidency with an official margin of 537 votes, to spark a crisis. Given increasing polarization and the Republican Partyโ€™s growing impatience with democratic norms, experts told me the party might challenge even a clear defeat. โ€œI am worried now, given the reaction to 2018, that you could get a dispute over a five-digit number,โ€ said Edward Foley, a law professor and elections expert at Ohio State University.

Others suggested the margin could be even wider. When I asked Mark Tushnet, a constitutional law professor at Harvard University, just how close the election would have to be for Republicans to support Trump in disputing the results, he said, โ€œโ€‰โ€˜Closeโ€™โ€”as Trump supporters define it.โ€

However you construe the word, a close election is well within the realm of possibility. In 2016, Trump won his three pivotal statesโ€”Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsinโ€”by five-digit numbers. Indeed, most of the countryโ€™s twenty-first-century elections have hinged on a few states with narrow margins.

โ€œ[2020] will probably be a nail-biter election where the polls are mixed or indeterminate, where itโ€™s really not clear who is going to win,โ€ said Levitsky. โ€œIf itโ€™s close, just as Trump kind of did in 2018, Trump could basically claim fraud. And we donโ€™t really have mechanisms to deal with that.โ€

2. Trump claims fraud, and Republicans back him up.

It is Wednesday morning, November 4, 2020. At 7:15 a.m., after a stressful night of watching the returns trickle in, the Associated Press projects that the Democratic presidential candidate will win Pennsylvania, and, with it, the presidency. Sure enough, itโ€™s a narrow victoryโ€”279 electoral votes to 258. When all is said and done, the Democrat wins Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania by only about 77,000 votes combined, the same amount Trump won those states by in 2016.

Donald Trump, who spent the past five months warning about fraud, has been eerily silent for most of the night. But as soon as the Democrat takes the stage to give her victory speech, he unleashes a barrage of tweets claiming that over 100,000 illegal immigrants voted in Michigan and that Philadelphia kept its polls open for hours later than allowed. โ€œWithout PHONY voters, I really won!โ€ he tweets. โ€œThis is FRAUD!โ€ Needless to say, the president does not call to congratulate his opponent. At an afternoon press conference, Trumpโ€™s press secretary announces he will not concede.

What happens next?

โ€œIn the best-case scenario, key Republicans would either talk him down or defect from Trump and say, โ€˜Heโ€™s wrong,โ€™โ€‰โ€ Levitsky said. Most of the academics I spoke with also thought that this was likely. โ€œIโ€™m just having trouble wrapping my head around even this polarized and often radicalized Republican Party going along with that,โ€ said Mickey. โ€œThis is kind of the limit condition of scenarios and surprise.โ€

But they acknowledged that defections were far from guaranteed. โ€œTrump is still far and away the most popular Republican,โ€ Levitsky said. โ€œIf Sean Hannity is claiming fraud on television and Rush Limbaugh is claiming fraud and Mitch McConnell is not willing to stand up and say, โ€˜No, there was no fraud,โ€™ then we could have a real crisis.โ€

Unfortunately, thatโ€™s exactly what takes place. After forty-eight hours of silence, the Senate majority leader issues a terse press release in which he says he โ€œrecognizes the presidentโ€™s serious concernsโ€ about the electionโ€™s integrity. Some GOP representatives do break ranks and call for Trump to concede (Iโ€™m looking at you, Mitt Romney), but most stay silent or back the presidentโ€™s claims. In a monumental act of gaslighting, Lindsey Graham tells reporters that Democrats are the ones undermining democracy. โ€œThey are afraid of a thorough investigation into the fairness of this election,โ€ he declares. โ€œTheyโ€™ll stop at nothing to get this president out of office.โ€

3. Polarized courts side with the GOP.

Almost everyone I spoke with told me that, at this point, the election results would be challenged in court. The Trump campaign might sue Democratic-leaning counties for alleged โ€œirregularitiesโ€ and ask that judges toss out their results. โ€œI can imagine the litigation in Pennsylvania taking the form of saying voting booths in Philadelphia were held open an excessively long time, an unlawfully long time, or the vote counters in some Democratic-leaning county unlawfully refused to count late-filed absentee ballots,โ€ Tushnet said. Victory for Trump would โ€œmean throwing out the ballots and saying that when those are thrown out, Trump gets the stateโ€™s electoral votes.โ€ That, in turn, would allow him to remain president.

This argument, and the many others that the Trump campaign could employ, would almost certainly be specious. But Tushnet cautioned against underestimating the power of creative attorneys and motivated reasoning. The legal justification for challenging the returns would develop, he said, โ€œin some ways that we canโ€™t really anticipate now but that lawyers will come up with when it matters.โ€

The Republican Party has proven more than willing to violate democratic norms. There is a sequence of events, each individually plausible, that would allow Trump to remain president even after a clear defeat.
The academics I spoke with cited Bush v. Gore as evidence. When the U.S. Supreme Courtโ€™s Republican-appointed majority shut down the Florida recount, giving the 2000 election to George W. Bush, it did so by reading the Fourteenth Amendmentโ€™s equal protection clause in an expansive manner totally at odds with typical conservative jurisprudence. The Court even told other judges that their decision could not be used as precedent.

โ€œThe justices, along with everybody else, seemed to view disputed facts through the lens of the place where they have been ideologically,โ€ said Rick Hasen, an election law expert at the University of California Irvine School of Law.

Still, itโ€™s one thing for the courts to interfere in an election with a three-digit margin. Itโ€™s something else to invalidate a five-digit win. That would be truly extraordinary.

But it is not unthinkable. Autocrats abroad often rely on packed courts to cling to power, and while the U.S. judiciary is far more independent than that of Honduras or Venezuela, thereโ€™s no doubt that Trump has made a substantial imprint. He has appointed a historically high number of federal appeals court judges. He has added two justices to the Supreme Court. One of them, Brett Kavanaugh, has been outwardly partisan, raving during his confirmation hearings that he was the victim of an โ€œorchestrated political hitโ€ designed to function as โ€œrevenge on behalf of the Clintons,โ€ fueled by โ€œmillions of dollars in money from outside left-wing opposition groups.โ€ He obliquely warned, โ€œWhat goes around comes around.โ€

4. Alternatively, Republicans play extreme constitutional hardball.

The courts arenโ€™t the only mechanism Republicans might use to keep Trump in power. The Constitution gives state legislators free rein to decide how to select electors. Currently, most states legally require electors to vote the same way as the people. But in a state with complete Republican control over the government, the legislature and governor could, in theory, pass a bill that strips this power away from citizens between the election and the actual casting of electoral votes. (Indeed, in some instances, the state legislature alone might be able to usurp its constituents.) If this sounds far-fetched, recall that GOP governments in North Carolina, Michigan, and Wisconsin have all recently pulled lame-duck attempts to limit the power of incoming Democratic governors, with varying degrees of success.

To imagine how this would play out, consider Florida, where the GOP controls the governorship and both houses of the state legislature. If the Democratic presidential nominee narrowly won the state in 2020, Trump might cry fraud and demand an investigationโ€”as he did in the aftermath of the stateโ€™s 2018 Senate race, when it wasnโ€™t yet clear that Republican Rick Scott had won. The legislature could establish an investigatory commission stacked with partisans and designed to sow doubt about the outcome. Perhaps Kris Kobach, vice chair of Trumpโ€™s erstwhile Commission on Election Integrity (and the patron saint of franchise restrictions), would lead it.

The courts might still refuse to intervene. But Trump allies in the Florida legislature could pass a bill giving themselves direct power to appoint the stateโ€™s electors. Governor Ron DeSantis, an outspoken Trump ally, could sign it, claiming that the fraud allegations and โ€œcontroversyโ€ over the tallies make the popular vote untrustworthy, and that heโ€™s merely implementing the votersโ€™ โ€œrealโ€ will.

This might sound too cynical, but in 2000, the GOP-controlled Florida legislature considered something similar. โ€œThey were effectively saying, โ€˜Hey, if it turns out Gore wins in court, weโ€™re not going to accept that, and weโ€™re going to assert an authority to appoint the electors directly,โ€™โ€‰โ€ said Edward Foley, at Ohio State. Such a move would also invite a Fourteenth Amendment challenge, this time on behalf of Democrats. But itโ€™s unclear if the conservative Supreme Court would intervene.

Foley, for his part, is more concerned about this kind of scenario than he is about judicial manipulation. โ€œJudges are fact based and evidence based,โ€ he said. โ€œWe know that Justice Clarence Thomas is a very different person than Justice Sonia Sotomayor, but I do think that with most election results they would agree as to what the answer was.โ€ But he worries that politicians might refuse to accept the Courtโ€™s decision. โ€œThe judicial process is going to be slower than the Twitter process,โ€ Foley told me. โ€œIf the Twitter process forces or causes politicians to dig in, then can a unanimous judiciary unstick the politicians?โ€

The Twelfth Amendment of the Constitution gives Congress final say over who becomes president. In some instances, the procedures for how Congress handles election disputes are clear. If there are three or more candidates and nobody wins a majority of electors, for example, the House decides who wins. But if itโ€™s a two-way race where both candidates claim an Electoral College majority, Foley said, itโ€™s unclear which chamber has the last word.

What would happen next is anyoneโ€™s guess. But it wouldnโ€™t be pretty. โ€œI think you could have a long, drawn-out crisis in which our institutions lose credibility,โ€ Levitsky said. Even if Trump were eventually forced out, โ€œweโ€™ll be left with a situation where maybe 30, 35 percent of our population believes the election was rigged.โ€

Itโ€™s in this kind of crisis that Michael Cohenโ€™s fears are most likely to be realized. โ€œI could imagine some rioting, some civil violence,โ€ said John Carey, a political scientist at Dartmouth who studies comparative democracy and who cofounded Bright Line Watch, which monitors the health of American democracy. โ€œWe just canโ€™t imagine all the possibilities.โ€

Hopefully, we wonโ€™t have to. Trump may lose decisively, rendering his claims of foul play empty. He may win. Or he may lose a tight race and cry foul, but still ultimately accept defeat. In the aftermath of the midterms, for example, Trump groused about fraud without seriously contesting the outcome.

Trump, of course, wasnโ€™t on the ballot in 2018. Losing in 2020 would be far more personal. But even if Trump refused to concede, it doesnโ€™t mean heโ€™d manage to remain in office. John Roberts has worried publicly about the credibility of the Supreme Court. It seems unlikely that he would โ€œsaveโ€ Trump from a less-than-ambiguous electoral defeat. Democratic governors in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin form a formidable roadblock against local Republican power grabs. Faced with incontrovertible evidence that Trump lostโ€”and no plausible pathway to mess with the outcomeโ€”Mitch McConnell, Kevin McCarthy, and Mike Pence would probably tell Trump to pack his bags.

And if Trump still refused to go?

โ€œIโ€™m not sure which branch it would be, but it must be the case that somebody would be responsible for taking one elbow and somebody would be responsible for taking the other elbow,โ€ Carey said. โ€œI can imagine the feet going kind of crazy. But I like to think that it would be without too much damage to anyone.โ€

https://washingtonmonthly.com/magaz...could-lose-the-election-and-remain-president/


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lmao, like there is any chance he is going to lose. Leftist activists will cheat any way they can and he will still win.
 
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Just Bulldoze and crush the vans, then let them walk home...

I'm pretty sure our 5th Amendment precludes them from doing that kind of thing.*

Sorry boys, better luck next time!

(* At least without writing them a check for the vehicles they just crushed. Would still suck to have to walk home...)
 
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I'm pretty sure our 5th Amendment precludes them from doing that kind of thing.*

Sorry boys, better luck next time!

(* At least without writing them a check for the vehicles they just crushed. Would still suck to have to walk home...)
Bring in the old tanks and lets have some fun...
 
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I fail to see how the Democrats look as good to others, as they do to themselves.

It's a bit contrarian and I may underestimate them but surely none of this bodes well for DNC?
 
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Generally speaking, people dislike chaos. Most people want to get by in life, raise a family, and have some security. Can't do that unless there is some semblance of order. Riots always lead to people flocking to the politician who promises order. Trump isn't looking great, but since the Dems (and many RINOs) are trying to appease the violent mobs, there isn't an alternative to 4 more years of orange-man-bad.

Anyone counting on the polls really has no idea how they work, and learned nothing 4 years ago.
 
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The sad part of this video is where the white women tells the crazy black women yelling at her, she cares about her but the black women calls her racist.

White women tries to apologize but the black antagonist keep escalating the situation, pretending to be hit by the car and blocking the driver from leaving.

The white women should have stayed in the car and called the police.

The racist black women felt empowered to try and cause an incident because the white women allegedly bumped into her teenage daughter.

What kind of people make a scene like this over a simple incident that should have ended when the white women apologize for something she didn't do.

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I fail to see how the Democrats look as good to others, as they do to themselves.

It's a bit contrarian and I may underestimate them but surely none of this bodes well for DNC?

Choice is clear. A semblance of normalcy, law and order or anarchy and marxism. The democrats are being pushed farther left, embracing crazy ideology.
 
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The sad part of this video is where the white women tells the crazy black women yelling at her, she cares about her but the black women calls her racist.

White women tries to apologize but the black antagonist keep escalating the situation, pretending to be hit by the car and blocking the driver from leaving.

The white women should have stayed in the car and called the police.

The racist black women felt empowered to try and cause an incident because the white women allegedly bumped into her teenage daughter.

What kind of people make a scene like this over a simple incident that should have ended when the white women apologize for something she didn't do.

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Well done for speaking up. It's never fun to talk about this stuff but some of the goldfish bowls are so small, everyone needs to hear different things imo.
 
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The racist black women felt empowered to try and cause an incident because the white women allegedly bumped into her teenage daughter.

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The black women felt empowered to cause a scene for the slightest offense by the current political climate. BLM isn't a civil right right movement; it's a marxist political group that exploits racial tension and liberal victimomology.
 
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You posted two different versions of a paranoid scenario where Trump stays in office even if he losses the election.
The crooks are working on normalizing the fraud that's going to take place. And their modus operandi is to make up scenarios and follow up on them, like the friggin lockstep.

Recent fraud example, this one in New Jersey, AG Grewal Announces Voting Fraud Charges Against [...]
All four men are charged with criminal conduct involving mail-in ballots during the election. The investigation by the Attorney Generalโ€™s Office of Public Integrity & Accountability (OPIA) began when the U.S. Postal Inspection Service alerted the Attorney Generalโ€™s Office that hundreds of mail-in ballots were found in a mailbox in Paterson. Numerous additional ballots were found in a mailbox in nearby Haledon. Due to the COVID-19 pandemic, all voting in May 12 elections in New Jersey was done by mail-in ballots.

Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick (R) sounds the alarm over vote-by-mail
โ€œIn my view, the only way Trump loses in November, is if you have a proliferation of voting by mail in state after state, particularly the swing states,โ€ Patrick said in a clip played during the show, adding that Trumpโ€™s campaign team is โ€œon top of it.โ€
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The lieutenant governor cited the recent appearance of Greater New York Black Lives Matter President Hawk Newsome on Fox News, who said, โ€œif this country doesnโ€™t give us what we want, then we will burn down this system and replace it.โ€

โ€œIf theyโ€™re willing to burn the country down, tear a statue down, you donโ€™t think theyโ€™re going to go steal some ballots out of a mailbox?โ€ Patrick said.

Barr: an election conducted primarily by mail can't be secure
During a portion of an interview with NPR released on Friday, Attorney General William Barr said he isnโ€™t concerned about having mail-in ballots for a โ€œlimitedโ€ amount of people who canโ€™t vote in person, but he is concerned about โ€œa comprehensive rule where all the ballots are essentially mail-in,โ€ and doesnโ€™t believe an election that is mainly conducted by mail can be secure.
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He later added, โ€œI have specific reason to believe that there are a number of foreign countries that do want to sow discord in the United States by undermining confidence in the results of the election. And I think if we do adopt programs of mail-in, that will be an area which they will exploit.โ€

US Postal Worker Caught on Video Throwing Stack of GOP Congressional Candidate Campaign Mailers in Dumpster

VOTE FRAUD: Can Democrats 'mail in' Joe Biden's election?
They plan to impose nationwide voting by mail, and more than 93 percent of those mail-in ballots would be carried, unsupervised, to the counting place by a member of the National Association of Letter Carriers (NALC), AFL-CIO, which represents 277,000 active and retired letter carriers.

This labor union in 2018 made political contributions to federal candidates of $1,342,000, of which 77 percent went to Democrats.
 
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