The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[.X.]

All aspiring despots, dictators and cult leaders have to eliminate any competition of ideas to succeed. They always start with the family and religion. Break down the family, and let the govt/cult take up the slack. Eliminate religion and let the govt/cult tell you what's right and wrong. Finally, to eliminate any vestiges of common sense, implement extreme and forced changes in the culture. There are no longer men and women, for example. Or, as Orwell would say, war is peace. This will cause people to deny even what they know to be common sense, and open the doors to the acceptance of even crazier ideas, like genocide. (Though, for that, one has to create a social divide...)

All the boxes are being checked, and I fear the only way the US will come out of this is through massive destruction - the way Japan ended World War 2. But the US will probably take the rest of the world with it.

People who find this to be crazy conjecture are already primed and loaded for their eventual masters.

Very well said IMO, we have many many many if and or buts, I don’t feel it will take any war, we keep up what we are doing and we will do ourselves in.

Every passing day that we remain in denial, is a day closer to China becoming the super power of the world, if we continue as we are, we will relinquish our super power voluntarily, that to just keep the country running, there will come a point in time when it becomes self preservation.

 

[mr-x]

I think you get upset when people talk about homosexuals in a negative way because like most liberals, you believe they need to be protected and anyone who talks about them without reverence must be a bigot.

When you critizied the church and boy scouts for having a culture that allowed widespread sex crimes against children, I pointed out the majority of people commuting those crimes were homosexuals; you tried to deny with a fake study from UCLA.

When current events included a horrible story about a young boy being exploited sexually by a gay porn store / magazine, you were upset at me for talking about it.

I talked about those subjects because you posted about them or were current events. I don't know why you feel the need to complain about what I or anyone else post about but it's getting old.

I'm not screaming the world is ending, you guys literally are because of diversity training, trans etc. I just went over that.

The word "destruction" used by 2 different people.

"campaign of horrific death and destruction which is beyond our ability to comprehend"

"All the boxes are being checked, and I fear the only way the US will come out of this is through massive destruction"

Do you agree with that?

 

[Domainace]

Very well said IMO, we have many many many if and or buts, I don’t feel it will take any war, we keep up what we are doing and we will do ourselves in.

Every passing day that we remain in denial, is a day closer to China becoming the super power of the world,

Yes, but doing yourselves in could take many forms. With the deranged sort of patriotism that means Russia is Dr. Evil and the US must force other countries to obey US laws, war is not unlikely. Heck, war is already the default mode for the US - just not on US shores.

China will not be a super-power, nor will any other state. It will be a large power though. But they will have their problems. Unlike Americans, Chinese are suspicious of their government. Also, they haven't devolved into teaching school kids that boys can have periods too. They still operate on some semblance of common sense. With China, I am rather more worried that they will have civil chaos, followed by a loony despot who wants war.

 

[offthehandle]

US pledges $10.6B aid for Central America, southern Mexico

Hope it is managed and spent wisely. I don't like seeing wire transfers without any oversight. Hopefully, an North American business person is on the ground to manage this.

"Newly inaugurated President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador waxed poetic about the plan to provide jobs so people won’t have to emigrate.

“I have a dream that I want to see become a reality ... that nobody will want to go work in the United States anymore,” Lopez Obrador said at a morning news conference before the announcement.

The combination of public and private investment for the stay-at-home effort doesn’t require congressional approval, unlike Trump’s signature project to stem illegal immigration — a border wall.

The U.S. State Department issued a simultaneous statement saying “The United States is committing $5.8 billion through public and private investment to promote institutional reforms and development in the Northern Triangle,” a term that refers to Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador."

https://apnews.com/0fcda32812024680ad98676379c47233

 

[mr-x]

( Judge ) Sullivan also asked a prosecutor with the special counsel’s office whether Flynn could be charged with “treason.”

Doesn't look good for Flynn. Would like to see all the documents made public.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...d3874f1ac36_story.html?utm_term=.44a5cf70c58c

 

[JB Lions]

I think you get upset when people talk about homosexuals in a negative way because like most liberals, you believe they need to be protected and anyone who talks about them without reverence must be a bigot.

You are anti-gay, this is pretty well known.

When you critizied the church and boy scouts for having a culture that allowed widespread sex crimes against children, I pointed out the majority of people commuting those crimes were homosexuals; you tried to deny with a fake study from UCLA.

Pedophile is the word you're looking for. I understand you don't like facts, legit studies, science on this issue because you put the church, your own Christianity above the welfare of children. You put a bunch of altar girls instead of altar boys in front of a pedophile, most of the victims would be girls. Until you guys handle your pedo problem, nothing is going to change. Until you get your priorities straight, nothing will change.

 

[offthehandle]

Facebook's Sheryl Sandberg says the company needs to do more to protect civil rights of users
Sheryl Sandberg's comments come on the same day the NAACP is launching a week-long boycott of the service, and amid growing calls to clean up the platform

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/18/facebooks-sheryl-sandberg-on-civil-right-abuses.html


#deletefacebook Like what about PRIVACY rights, and Fake News, and Election Fraud aid?, The priorities of Facebook are always this sort of crap.

 

[mr-x]

Hope it helps but I'm not too optimistic. Hopefully they build some schools, free trade zones.

US pledges $10.6B aid for Central America, southern Mexico

 

[mr-x]

Like most liberals liars you respond with rank accusations when confronted with facts.

You are anti-gay, this is pretty well known.



Pedophile is the word you're looking for. I understand you don't like facts, legit studies on this issue because you put the church, your own Christianity above the welfare of children. You put a bunch of altar girls instead of altar boys in front of a pedophile, most of the victims would be girls.

 

[.X.]

US pledges $10.6B aid for Central America, southern Mexico

Hope it is managed and spent wisely. I don't like seeing wire transfers without any oversight. Hopefully, an North American business person is on the ground to manage this.

"Newly inaugurated President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador waxed poetic about the plan to provide jobs so people won’t have to emigrate.

“I have a dream that I want to see become a reality ... that nobody will want to go work in the United States anymore,” Lopez Obrador said at a morning news conference before the announcement.

The combination of public and private investment for the stay-at-home effort doesn’t require congressional approval, unlike Trump’s signature project to stem illegal immigration — a border wall.

The U.S. State Department issued a simultaneous statement saying “The United States is committing $5.8 billion through public and private investment to promote institutional reforms and development in the Northern Triangle,” a term that refers to Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador."

https://apnews.com/0fcda32812024680ad98676379c47233

But we can not take care of our homeless, our mentally ill, our elderly, our terminally ill , we can not fund to get the violent gangs out of our cities.

But we can fund 10.6B to other countries.

 

[mr-x]

But we can not take care of our homeless, our mentally ill, our elderly, our terminally ill , we can not fund to get the violent gangs out of our cities.

But we can fund 10.6B to other countries.

Yes. Because we don't want to take care of them here. It's a bribe to their Gov. to do more for their people so they don't immigrate.

 

[enlytend]

I am a lifelong learner, that's my goal, education my entire life. Though, not for everyone. Most of the Tech stuff you know about the Web, SEO, etc. that you post I am sure was self taught, not classes.

Yup although I did graduate college, I’m a lifelong self-learner also. My parents and grandparents were too, big readers, houses floor to ceiling with books. They would have loved the internet! My current career was built and bootstrapped completely on my own after a merger and subsequent lay-off from my corporate career right before 9/11 (and the subsequent crash of the tech job market.) I speak 4 additional languages to varying degrees (learned Spanish and German as a kid so those are my strongest after English), and am always finding something else I want to know more about and setting about to learn it. I find most classes too slow to hold my attention, so anything self paced works for me.

The odds of someone living for 3 months... that’s a tough issue. Where do you draw the line? And what about the ones who beat the odds? And why are chemo drugs so outrageously expensive here in the first place? Very complex issue, both financially and morally. Personally if I was certain my life was toast I would probably opt for quality of life for a shorter time than be tortured with chemo to the bitter end, but I don’t pretend to walk in anyone else’s shoes and I can understand how others might have other priorities.

 

[offthehandle]

But we can not take care of our homeless, our mentally ill, our elderly, our terminally ill , we can not fund to get the violent gangs out of our cities.

But we can fund 10.6B to other countries.

The war on drugs is a huge state funded failure, I am in the minority but believe legalize it all, and let those who want help get it. Those who don't- poof they are gone.

The border security issue is only partial success- employer sanctions on hiring would be the only way, but it isn't politically popular or correct.

The gang issue- is a multi-facted complex issue- as complex as health care. Remember, every law enforcement officer would lose his job in the prison system or on the street if the problem went away, there is big dollars in that sacred cow of increased law enforcement expeditures.

Actually it isn't so much funding, but allowing the problems to fester with no political will on either side. The Rep and Democrats in congress are more focused on pet projects in their home states. Yep, don't disagree. What about this endless mess in the ME? idiotic. Troops forever in Syria. Unbelievable.

 

[enlytend]

Someone in Iowa is going on my block list for being unable to hold a civilized and respectful conversation.

Personal insults are a waste of time. We’re colleagues here, doesn’t seem like too much to ask...

 

[offthehandle]

It's a bribe to their Gov. to do more for their people so they don't immigrate.

That's the traditional issue and problem without any oversight. If the money is sent, then a bunch of bureaucrats spend the money working on program administration jobs doing little but growing their own departments and it never gets to the individual people.

There should be unique ideas- contests, entrepreneurial investment seminars, and a lottery to receive start-up funding. But, I don't see that happening, I have no idea how bloated their gov't are up north but know that the goal of many latinos are to work for the cushy govt job- they trade economic reward and uncertainty for a lifetime, cannot-be-fired job working in the Govt.

 

[mr-x]

DOJ reclassified bump stocks as automatic weapons. All are illegal now.

 

[mr-x]

That's the traditional issue and problem without any oversight. If the money is sent, then a bunch of bureaucrats spend the money working on program administration jobs doing little but growing their own departments and it never gets to the individual people.

There should be unique ideas- contests, entrepreneurial investment seminars, and a lottery to receive start-up funding. But, I don't see that happening, I have no idea how bloated their gov't are up north but know that the goal of many latinos are to work for the cushy govt job- they trade economic reward and uncertainty for a lifetime, cannot-be-fired job working in the Govt.

I agree. Would have been better to arrange a summit with business leaders from the southern Triangle and the USA. There people are as smart and resource full as anyone else, just bad Gov holding people back.

 

[mr-x]

@wormfood

Big Win for Churches as Judge Rules Wisconsin Ordinance Violates Religious Freedom
http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/2018/de...isconsin-ordinance-violates-religious-freedom

The ordinance, which was approved last year by the city council, labeled religious organizations as places of public accommodation. That means churches would have been in danger of discriminating against transgender and gay individuals if they preached that God determines gender and prohibits homosexuality.

Alarmed by the decree, five churches and a faith-based radio station filed a lawsuit seeking an exemption, noting that the ordinance is so broad that it undermines their constitutionally protected right to freely exercise their faith.

 

[offthehandle]

Yup although I did graduate college, I’m a lifelong self-learner also. My parents and grandparents were too, big readers, houses floor to ceiling with books. They would have loved the internet! My current career was built and bootstrapped completely on my own after a merger and subsequent lay-off from my corporate career right before 9/11 (and the subsequent crash of the tech job market.) I speak 4 additional languages to varying degrees (learned Spanish and German as a kid so those are my strongest after English), and am always finding something else I want to know more about and setting about to learn it. I find most classes too slow to hold my attention, so anything self paced works for me.

The odds of someone living for 3 months... that’s a tough issue. Where do you draw the line? And what about the ones who beat the odds? And why are chemo drugs so outrageously expensive here in the first place? Very complex issue, both financially and morally. Personally if I was certain my life was toast I would probably opt for quality of life for a shorter time than be tortured with chemo to the bitter end, but I don’t pretend to walk in anyone else’s shoes and I can understand how others might have other priorities.

You were lucky to have met your grandparents and knew them, 3 generations of learners. Nice. It's something that nobody can take away from you is knowledge and only increases value for the world is education and "doing things" instead of just studying them. I was fortunate enough to raised into technical stuff as a kid then great jobs I enjoyed and involved with technical support of customers in aerospace/space/defense programs. Computers, Robotics, Imaging, Data acquisition, etc. all in early 80's. The best part was later going self employed of course.

Being bootstrapped by force is great actually, I think everybody should have to face it and be independent small businesses, that's the way it was until the early 1900's. No real large corporations like now. Farmers who didn't produce, starved. Or if failed, due to unforeseen circumstances like bad weather their neighbors assisted in a coop. People helping people, without gov't "programs". This is why I don't see Amazon being a good thing, it is shrinking an entire industry of retailing and cuts out small local stocking distributors. But the marketplace is voting for that model, like I see people gobble up cheap chinese crap here because it's cheaper, no long term thinking.

I will never have chemo, it's my choice and probability is high to someday get the news. Morphine drip and poof, lol. Common sense is the line. Been there and seen that Chemo thing personally in my family and not on me but someone close to me, so I just think it's ridiculous. I watched the system get used up by borderline "fraudulent" doctors arriving daily to say "I am your new doctor", get their questionaire out of the same drivel and write up a bill to medicare and get their piece of the pie- it's disgusting. In Children and those people with fixable things that make sense.

The worse is here though. I personally know an Oncologist who when I was discussing this with, after a long discussion, he even actually reluctantly admitted to me with a hushed low tone voice, that it was mostly a scam- that it was in most cases a waste of money, imagine that. ha. He is millionaire several times over. Tax dollars at work. Increased insurance premiums too for the rest.

 

[JB Lions]

Being bootstrapped by force is great actually, I think everybody should have to face it and be independent small businesses, that's the way it was until the early 1900's. No real large corporations like now. Farmers who didn't produce, starved. Or if failed, due to unforeseen circumstances like bad weather their neighbors assisted in a coop. People helping people, without gov't "programs". This is why I don't see Amazon being a good thing, it is shrinking an entire industry of retailing and cuts out small local stocking distributors. But the marketplace is voting for that model, like I see people gobble up cheap chinese crap here because it's cheaper, no long term thinking.

Just out of curiosity. Do you like small businesses to stay small? What if people liked them and they got big, would you be ok with that?

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Asked why Trump is trying to make taxpayers pay for his wall after promising Mexico would, Sarah Sanders just said, "We're not asking American taxpayers for that, we are looking at existing funding through other agencies right now..."

"We’re not asking American taxpayers for that." -- Sarah Sanders on looking for funding for the wall through various agencies. Turns out all the federal agencies are funded by taxpayers. Also, she seems to think that money from private trade goes into the federal treasury.

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Mnuchin Backs Off Trump's Promise of 10% Middle-Class Tax Cut

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ff-trump-s-promise-of-10-middle-class-tax-cut