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Now that's just plain funny. I don't care who you are.

A National Security Advisor, when told by the FBI director that the FBI has questions about Flynn's repeated denials of meetings with Russians during the campaign, needs to be advised to have a lawyer present and needs to be advised that he shouldn't lie?

That's just funny right there, and someone else finds it to be amusing as well:

His lawyers didn't think it was funny. The first FBI agent didn't think his lies were of consequence. I'm not a lawyer so will defer to your judgement on the the law but will wait for a judge to decide which side is telling the truth.

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https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5628464-Govt-reply-to-Flynn.html

The defendant chose to make false statements about his communications with the
Russian ambassador weeks before the FBI interview, when he lied about that topic to the media,
the incoming Vice President, and other members of the Presidential Transition Team. When
faced with the FBIโ€™s questions on January 24, during an interview that was voluntary and
cordial, the defendant repeated the same false statements.


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The defendant made his decision to lie about his communications with the Russian
ambassador two weeks before his interview with the FBI.


On January 12, 2017, The Washington Post published a story asserting that the defendant had spoken with the Russian ambassador on December 29, 2016, the day the United States announced sanctions and other measures against Russia in response to that governmentโ€™s actions intended to interfere with the 2016 election (collectively, โ€œsanctionsโ€).

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The defendant asked a subordinate member of the Presidential Transition Team to contact the Post on the morning of January 13 and convey false information about the defendantโ€™s communications with the Russian
ambassador. The โ€œUPDATEโ€ included at the end of the Post story later reported that two members of the Presidential Transition Team stated that the defendant โ€œdidnโ€™t coverโ€ sanctions in his conversation with the Russian ambassador. Id.

Over the next two weeks, the defendant repeated the same false statements to multiple
members of the Presidential Transition Team, including Vice President-Elect Michael Pence,
incoming White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus, and incoming White House Press
Secretary Sean Spicer. Those officials then repeated the defendantโ€™s false statements on national
television.


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The circumstances of the defendantโ€™s interview also show that his decision to make false
statements was voluntary and intentional. The FBI Deputy Director, Andrew McCabe, informed
the defendant about the topic of the interview. See Memorandum of Andrew McCabe dated
January 24, 2017 (โ€œMcCabe Memoโ€) (Attachment A) (McCabe called defendant to arrange the
interview and explained that the FBI needed to talk to him in light of the โ€œmedia coverage and
public discussion about his recent contacts with Russian representatives.โ€). When the defendant
asked McCabe if the questions would concern โ€œhis contact with the Russian Ambassador to the
United States,โ€ McCabe confirmed they would. Id. During the interview, the FBI agents gave
the defendant multiple opportunities to correct his false statements by revisiting key questions.


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A sitting National Security Advisor, former head of an intelligence agency, retired
Lieutenant General, and 33-year veteran of the armed forces knows he should not lie to federal
agents. He does not need to be warned it is a crime to lie to federal agents to know the
importance of telling them the truth.
The defendant undoubtedly was aware, in light of his
โ€œmany yearsโ€ working with the FBI, that lying to the FBI carries serious consequences. See Def.
Sent Mem. at 8. He, unlike Van der Zwaan and Papadapoulous, was a senior national security
official with extensive federal government experience, had led an intelligence agency, had
worked with the FBI, and was steeped in the importance of accurate information to decision
making in areas of national security.

The defendant agreed to meet with the FBI agents, without counsel, and answer their
questions. His obligation to provide truthful information came with that agreement; it did not
turn on the presence of counsel. Moreover, as the defendant has admitted, weeks after the
January 24 interview, he made materially false statements in filings he provided to another
branch of the Department of Justice pursuant to the Foreign Agents Registration Act (โ€œFARAโ€).
See Statement of Offense at ยถ 5, United States v. Flynn, No. 17-cr-232 (D.D.C. Dec. 1, 2017)
(Doc. 4). The defendant made those false statements while represented by counsel and after
receiving an explicit warning that providing false information was a federal offense.

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You are seriously going to sit there and pretend that (a) a sitting National Security Advisor needs to get the opinion of his lawyer before agreeing to a voluntary discussion with the FBI on a known topic, and (b) he would have no idea that he should tell the truth otherwise, and (c) that if he had his lawyer there he magically WOULDN'T repeat the same lie he'd been telling everyone for WEEKS?

That's just some funny sh*t right there.

I advise legal clients all god-damned day, and if there is anyone who thinks any voluntary conversation with any law enforcement officer is not subject to having your own statements in that context be used for any purpose, then you have just not been paying attention.

He was a g-damned National Security Advisor who had been working for the FBI for decades. The notion that they were coming to ask them about his statements about Russian contacts because it was just an excuse to come over and say "hello" is just absurd.

Are you going to pretend there wasn't a double standard for James Comey who was allowed to correct the record? I don't even know if the circumstances are the same but I know special treatment when I see it.
 
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I'm not a lawyer so will defer to your judgement on the the law but will wait for a judge to decide which side is telling the truth.

That's not what's happening here.

While I'm not at all surprised you obviously don't understand what is going on here, or the context of these arguments, it is not at all about whether any side is telling the truth.

These are sentencing memorandums. Obviously his lawyers are trying to minimize the offense TO WHICH HE HAS ALREADY PLEADED GUILTY.

This isn't a trial. This is a sentencing proceeding for a person who admits that he has committed multiple felonies.

Why not read the memorandum. It is written in English and I am certain your shoot from the hip response was not done after reading my excerpts, let alone the entire thing.
 
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Flynn knew better but I will wait for the judge to decide if there was entrapment.

That's not what's happening here.

While I'm not at all surprised you obviously don't understand what is going on here, or the context of these arguments, it is not at all about whether any side is telling the truth.

These are sentencing memorandums. Obviously his lawyers are trying to minimize the offense TO WHICH HE HAS ALREADY PLEADED GUILTY.

This isn't a trial. This is a sentencing proceeding for a person who admits that he has committed multiple felonies.

FBI's entrapment of General Flynn was despicable
by Quin Hillyer | December 14, 2018 01:48 PM
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/fbis-entrapment-of-general-flynn-was-despicable

Flynn has been bankrupted. I've read in Flynn's son was also threatened. People plead for a lot of different reasons. Muller isn't a saint.
 
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False, besides the Kayne West meme, which has you posting "house negro", show me even 1 thing that you think is racist. I'm not racist, so that would be impossible. You on the other hand is another story. And Sarah Palin, of course, she's an idiot. Which has what to do with racism or special needs? I've never attached that to her.

But next post, go ahead and quote me.

I guess generalizing about Christians, black conservatives, people you don't like isn't racist or bigoted if your a liberal.
 
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I guess generalizing about Christians, black conservatives, people you don't like isn't racist or bigoted if your a liberal.

I'm not seeing a quote. As an example, when I talk about Candace Owens, I'm very specific with examples. She was a fraud. I gave you my reasons, linked to another article going thru it all, posted about Kanye figuring out she was a fraud. Christians, my only issue are fundamentalist types or types like you, not the mind your own business types. With you, you want to take your beliefs into interfering with other people's lives. Like your views against gay marriage, that you think somehow harms society. Ann wanting to marry Becky, is none of your business, doesn't harm society. And those views don't go along with one of the more ridiculous things you've posted, that you were a Live and Let Live type of person.
 
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You really need me to post all of your Kanye post again?? Scroll back to yesterday when you generalized about the Christians being child molesters.

I'm not seeing a quote. As an example, when I talk about Candace Owens, I'm very specific with examples. She was a fraud. I gave you my reasons, linked to another article going thru it all, posted about Kanye figuring out she was a fraud. Christians, my only issue are fundamentalist types or types like you, not the mind your own business types. With you, you want to take your beliefs into interfering with other people's lives. Like your views against gay marriage, that you think somehow harms society. Ann wanting to marry Becky, is none of your business, doesn't harm society. And those views don't go along with one of the more ridiculous things you've posted, that you were a Live and Let Live type of person.

I don't need lessons in morality from a hypocrite like you. I can disagree with people, even disapprove of their choices and still like / love them. Facts are facts john boy.
 
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You really need me to post all of your Kanye post again?? Scroll back to yesterday when you generalized about the Christians being child molesters.

I don't need lessons in morality from a hypocrite like you. Unlike you, I can disagree with people, even disapprove of their choices and still like / love them.

Really. I didn't generalize. I posted there is a lot of child molestation cases with the Catholic church. You on the other hand, along with Gilsan like to generalize with Trans folks. Oh, that's nice, you still love gay people, even tho you think them being able to get married harms society. I'm sure they appreciate it and care what you think on the subject.
 
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Really. I didn't generalize. I posted there is a lot of child molestation cases with the Catholic church. You on the other hand, along with Gilsan like to generalize with Trans folks. Oh, that's nice, you still love gay people, even tho you think them being able to get married harms society. I'm sure they appreciate it and care what you think on the subject.
 
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Katie Hopkinsโ€Verified account @KTHopkins 9 hours ago
A 7yr old girl dies at the America border from dehydration and exhaustion This is a tragedy. But one of parental neglect. Her parents should be charged with manslaughter It is not the Border Force trying to uphold the law to blame. But the parents who did this to their child

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If it wasn't for double standards, we'd have none.
 
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Doesn't like illegal immigrants, unless they work for him.

New Jersey AG probes Trump golf club after undocumented maids claim racially-charged harassment, threats

........The women โ€” all of whom are or were undocumented immigrants โ€” also allege their supervisor at the extravagant estate set them up with fraudulent work permits and threatened to report them to federal authorities if they spoke out...................

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/na...ump-golf-maids-harassment-20181214-story.html

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6th Anniversary of Sandy Hook, or what Alex Jones called a hoax

https://twitter.com/hashtag/SandyHook?src=tren&data_id=tweet:1073579486493491201&lang=en

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Funny as hell that JBLIONS would make the comment about my OCA meme, saying:
With Special Needs next to it. Love attacking women.

While his party attacks our First Lady every damn chance they get'
Like this one:
Based on the catty comments about Melaniaโ€™s new hair shade Iโ€™ve concluded that while the left is fine with men transitioning to women and vice versa they are not so fine with PDJTโ€™s wife transitioning to blonde.
Then there is this one:
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Once FLOTUS, never to be POTUS.....
 
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Katie Hopkinsโ€Verified account @KTHopkins 9 hours ago
A 7yr old girl dies at the America border from dehydration and exhaustion This is a tragedy. But one of parental neglect. Her parents should be charged with manslaughter It is not the Border Force trying to uphold the law to blame. But the parents who did this to their child

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Agreed, also the dumb bitch that fell off the fence and is suing the US government for it.

They better be glad it is the US they are fucking with, some countries would have already imprisoned them.
 
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Funny as hell that JBLIONS would make the comment about my OCA meme

It's pathetic you guys are obsessed with her. And the Special Needs stuff is in poor taste.

 
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That's not what's happening here..... It is written in English and I am certain your shoot from the hip response was not done after reading my excerpts, let alone the entire thing.

1) I never said Flynn was innocent. I said there was a double standard. FBI Agents, Clinton aids were not charged or allowed to correct the official record.

2) Flynn's lawyers submitted a letter saying the FBI entrapped him. The judge will decide if that makes a difference.
 
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It's pathetic you guys are obsessed with her. And the Special Needs stuff is in poor taste.


It's funny John, not personal.
 
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Notice that JBLIONS is still hating on that meme....
Not a word about his party hating on the FLOTUS.
Guess it is okay to make fun of the FLOTUS, but not the dumb broad.
 
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Notice that JBLIONS is still hating on that meme....
Not a word about his party hating on the FLOTUS.
Guess it is okay to make fun of the FLOTUS, but not the dumb broad.

Didn't mention Special Needs 1 time in that post. You're the same one that posted that hate meme about somebody being beheaded, which was false.
 
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"I am pleased to announce that Mick Mulvaney, Director of the Office of Management & Budget, will be named Acting White House Chief of Staff, replacing General John Kelly, who has served our Country with distinction. Mick has done an outstanding job while in the Administration...."

....I look forward to working with him in this new capacity as we continue to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! John will be staying until the end of the year. He is a GREAT PATRIOT and I want to personally thank him for his service!

Donald J. Trumpโ€Verified account @realDonaldTrump 3m
 
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