The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

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European Court Outlaws Insults to Islam

The EU Braintrust of politically correct nonsense.

 

[Kate]

You bet I'm a big supporter of Israel... Now tell me, since when is Marine Le Pen an Anti Semite? Show it to me! Your stupidity is only surpassed by your ignorance of facts.

If we are talking about Le Pen the father he is very well know for being a holocaust denier. It is something that should offend you as a great supporter of Israel.
I don't think you can possibly ignore this, unless of course you choose to ignore stuff you don't like.
He is not the only one, other members of the party like Jean-François Jalkh entertain similar views.
You should also check up the party #2 Bruno Gollnisch. That should keep you busy for a while.

As for the daughter (Marine) she is surrounded with people like Axel Loustau who is an avowed neonazi, big fan of Legrelle (a member of the Waffen-SS). This guy is not just a personal friend of hers, he has been treasurer of her own micro-party and also a candidate for the front national. He really is a core part of the apparatus. Another interesting name is Frédéric Chatillon, with a similar background. He is a friend of Marine and service provider for the front national.
Just look up these names and tell me who is the idiot.

Several members of the party like Lœillet have been selling revisionist books, and were expelled from the party only after media exposure. But not the people like Chatillon, Loustau or the bigwigs like Gollnisch. Only the small fry is sacrificed to pretend the front national is serious about de-demonization - it isn't.

It's not an isolated case at all, and it is not surprising that fringe parties always attract fringe people

Now I did not say Marine Le Pen is personally antisemite, but she is effectively helping the cause of antisemites. Her track record and that of the party speak for themselves. Cross-check, fact-check and decide for yourself if the Le Pen (both of them) can possibly friends of Israel and whether you should support them.

But why am I even arguing since you don't read, brush the evidence aside and discard inconvenient facts. You will always come up with an excuse, but it's your problem.

 

[GILSAN]

If we are talking about Le Pen the father he is very well know for being a holocaust denier. It is something that should offend you as a great supporter of Israel.
I don't think you can possibly ignore this, unless of course you choose to ignore stuff you don't like.
He is not the only one, other members of the party like Jean-François Jalkh entertain similar views.
You should also check up the party #2 Bruno Gollnisch. That should keep you busy for a while.

As for the daughter (Marine) she is surrounded with people like Axel Loustau who is an avowed neonazi, big fan of Legrelle (a member of the Waffen-SS). This guy is not just a personal friend of hers, he has been treasurer of her own micro-party and also a candidate for the front national. He really is a core part of the apparatus. Another interesting name is Frédéric Chatillon, with a similar background. He is a friend of Marine and service provider for the front national.
Just look up these names and tell me who is the idiot.

Several members of the party like Lœillet have been selling revisionist books, and were expelled from the party only after media exposure. But not the people like Chatillon, Loustau or the bigwigs like Gollnisch. Only the small fry is sacrificed to pretend the front national is serious about de-demonization - it isn't.

It's not an isolated case at all, and it is not surprising that fringe parties always attract fringe people

Now I did not say Marine Le Pen is personally antisemite, but she is effectively helping the cause of antisemites. Her track record and that of the party speak for themselves. Cross-check, fact-check and decide for yourself if the Le Pen (both of them) can possibly friends of Israel and whether you should support them.

But why am I even arguing since you don't read, brush the evidence aside and discard inconvenient facts. You will always come up with an excuse, but it's your problem.

Don't try and get things that I say mixed up. I'm a fan of Marine Le Pen, NOT of her father Jean-Marie Le Pen. I don't like her father for the simple reason that he was/is anti-semitic. I detest people that hate Jews and that's why I detest so many Lefties, because they are Jew haters... Any group that hates Jews is on my black list... that's why Muslims are on top of that list...

All that crap about Marine Le Pen and who she's friends with etc. means nothing to me, because after all, I can always bring this picture up.... which is NOT a fake picture as you would love to believe...

 

[Kate]

OK then, focus on Marine. I gave you enough disturbing evidence.
It's still the same party (more a family business actually). Like they say, a leopard cannot change its spots.

 

[JB Lions]

Don't try and get things that I say mixed up. I'm a fan of Marine Le Pen, NOT of her father Jean-Marie Le Pen. I don't like her father for the simple reason that he was/is anti-semitic. I detest people that hate Jews and that's why I detest so many Lefties, because they are Jew haters... Any group that hates Jews is on my black list... that's why Muslims are on top of that list...

All that crap about Marine Le Pen and who she's friends with etc. means nothing to me, because after all, I can always bring this picture up.... which is NOT a fake picture as you would love to believe...

You could always bring that picture up but you'll always look like an idiot when you do. And of course, the 2nd pic is fake.

The first is real:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/clinton-byrd-photo-klan/

NAACP even released a statement honoring Byrd:

The NAACP is saddened by the passing of United States Senator Robert Byrd. Byrd, the longest serving member of congress was first elected to the U.S. House from [West Virginia] in 1952 and was elected Senator in 1958. Byrd passed away this morning at the age of 92.

“Senator Byrd reflects the transformative power of this nation,” stated NAACP President and CEO Benjamin Todd Jealous. “Senator Byrd went from being an active member of the KKK to a being a stalwart supporter of the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act and many other pieces of seminal legislation that advanced the civil rights and liberties of our country.

“Senator Byrd came to consistently support the NAACP civil rights agenda, doing well on the NAACP Annual Civil Rights Report Card. He stood with us on many issues of crucial importance to our members from the reauthorization of the Voting Rights Act, the historic health care legislation of 2010 and his support for the Hate Crimes Prevention legislation,” stated Hilary O. Shelton, Director of the NAACP Washington Bureau and Senior Vice President for Advocacy and Policy. “Senator Byrd was a master of the Senate Rules, and helped strategize passage of legislation that helped millions of Americans. He will be sorely missed.”

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"Any group that hates Jews is on my black list"

Really? Trump's very fine people. "Jews will not replace us"

 

[offthehandle]

Here is one mouthpiece out of Los Angeles. NILC.org, Calling names, playing the Racism card.

I see she is from Medellin one of 10 kids. Wonder if she arrived illegally also?
https://www.180.com.uy/articulo/76700_trump-sugiere-que-podria-actuar-por-decreto-en-inmigracion

In social networks, the possibility of this prohibition coming out was harshly criticized under the hashtag #latinoban.

"This is one of the most disturbing and dangerous developments in a series of xenophobic attacks on immigrant communities," Marielena Hincapié, director of the National Legal Center for Immigrants (NILC), said in a statement.

"Trump está mostrando una vez más que su crueldad que nace del racismo no tiene límites, tal y como hizo con la implementación de la prohibición para los musulmanes y la separación de las familias en la frontera".

To emphasize this threat, "Trump is showing once again that his cruelty born of racism has no limits, just as he did with the implementation of the prohibition for Muslims and the separation of families on the border."


Part of an Anti-Trump, Left wing coalition.

http://www.shadowingtrump.org/2017/04/26/marielena-hincapie/
http://www.shadowingtrump.org/the-shadow-cabinet/
http://www.shadowingtrump.org/impeachment-papers/

4. If Democrats win the House majority in mid-terms, will he be impeached…and then convicted? November 6, 2018. An anti-Trump wave election elevates the 198 House Democratic Caucus to 230 seats and the majority. On January 9, Speaker Pelosi announces that the Judiciary Committee under chair Jerry Nadler – a brainy and un-flamboyant House veteran — will initiate impeachment proceedings. After four weeks of revealing hearings, the panel votes 24-17 – and the full House later concurs 250-188 – to charge Trump with three Articles of Impeachment:

According to Chairman Nadler: “First, it’s beyond doubt that Trump did try to ‘Obstruct Justice’ by his own incriminating statements, actions, tweets and pardons – especially the firings of five prosecutors overseeing investigations into him [Bharara, Yates, Comey, Rosenstein, Mueller].”

“Second, he did profit from foreign emoluments by publicizing and maintaining ownership in properties run by his children that kept receiving discretionary benefits from foreign entities. His defense that ‘my sons are brilliant’ wasn’t taken literally by the Committee.”

“Third, it was ‘Dereliction-of-duty- and Abuse-of-power” when his administration failed to do anything significant after Russia interfered with the 2016 election – or even admit that it had; actively sabotaged Obamacare; persisted in undermining respect for major American institutions like the Judiciary and – consistently demeaning the First Amendment — the Media; lying voluminously on major issues; and ignored settled science on global warming, with catastrophic consequences.”

The Senate – which is split 50-50 and has never convicted an impeached president – fails to convict by 62-38 (2/3 being required) as 12 Republicans vote yes due to ”a Niagara of damning evidence,” says Sen. Corker. Headlines everywhere blare “Pyrrhic Victory.”

Regarding shutting down the border:

"This is going to impact a large range of people coming through who may or may not be part of the caravan, other people who are seeking asylum, or other forms of visas," said Marielena Hincapie, executive director of the National Immigration Law Center. "A lot of people are simply coming over to do business."

http://www.hispaniclifestyle.com/topics/community/latina-of-influence-marielena-hincapie/

 

[Kate]

All that crap about Marine Le Pen and who she's friends with etc. means nothing to me

Just what I thought. Sad. Zero interest for facts whatsoever. Don't believe me, fact-check what I posted. But stop pretending you are friend of Israel while supporting their enemies. This is not rational at all.

 

[GILSAN]

OK then, focus on Marine. I gave you enough disturbing evidence.
It's still the same party (more a family business actually). Like they say, a leopard cannot change its spots.

BS... for me it's NOT disturbing evidence... I have no fu*king problems with Marine Le Pen. You're the one that does!

Why do fu*king Liberals insist on trying to make conservatives feel guilty about something or someone that we like? Why should I have to be forced to take as the only truth opinions from BBC, The Guardian, Sky News, CNN, MSNBC, NYT, WaPO when they are so blatantly biased against Conservatives in all their reporting, especially in the last 10-15 years?

How about this: and it's not just the BBC doing it...
BBC bans white people from job - but workforce already reflects country's ethnic make-up
THE BBC said it aimed to target “under-represented” parts of Britain with an internship white people cannot apply for - despite figures showing the corporation is already scoring ABOVE what is expected of them.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/6...e-people-ethnic-equality-staff-job-internship

Don't waste your time with your attempts at distorting facts or trying to convince me to think like you. It ain't gonna work... Understood? Capiche? Entendido? Verstanden? Понял?

 

[GILSAN]

Just what I thought. Sad. Zero interest for facts whatsoever. Don't believe me, fact-check what I posted. But stop pretending you are friend of Israel while supporting their enemies. This is not rational at all.

NO... you are full of bull... You assumed I was a fan of Le Pen (the father) when on several previous posts I've always mentioned his daughter Marine. Now you come with some cockamamie story that you picked up from the Fake Liberal Media about her being anti-semite and expect me to believe it? And then you say I'm pretending to be a friend of Israel? What are you, a clairvoyant?

And to top it all you feel SAD? Sad for what? For me? Don't waste your time feeling sad for me. Go get your "Refugees are Welcome" sign, place it in front of your house, leave the door open day and night and invite them to stay there forever... See if I care...

 

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[johname]

Turns out he has as much Native American ancestry as Elizabeth Warren.

"The van Lowy remembers was covered in Native American imagery even though Sayoc's has no Native American ancestry. His mother is Italian and his father is Filipino."

https://www.npr.org/2018/10/26/6611...riminal-history-regularly-attacked-dems-onlin

 

[GILSAN]

The Seminole Tribe in Florida said in a statement that there are no records that Cesar Sayoc was a member...

His long rap sheet includes convictions for retail theft and possession of illegal steroids with intent to distribute and the only Republican I know who follows Lena Dunham and Barack Obama on Twitter.

 

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[johname]

Bomb suspect threatened people on Twitter, and Twitter didn't act

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/26/tech/cesar-sayoc-twitter-response/index.html

 

[JB Lions]

If they acted, Conservatives would have started a GoFundMe and complained all over social media how they were being targeted by big bad Twitter. See Alex Jones.

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Another House Map - Dems 84.8% chance of control
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2018-midterm-election-forecast/house/?ex_cid=midterms-header

 

[offthehandle]

Here we go again. The anti gun people use every nutcase and a terrible tragedy to tuen to politics. Why didnt they ask to ban manila envelopes, pipes, and other hardware yesterday? The victims havent even been identified yet this rhetoric is used immediately.

We must all pray and hope for no more loss of life. But we have been saying “this one is too many” for far too long. Dangerous weapons are putting our citizens in harm’s way.

https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2018/10/27/heavy-police-presence-near-synagogue-in-squirrel-hill/

 

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https://mobile.twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1056209742442287107

Did Twitter erase his profile? FBI Govt request to erase?

 

[Kate]

Excuse me, but in a country where 30K people die every year from firearms it's hard to deny there is a problem. And I am rather pro-gun ownership.
The majority of shootings do not make it to the national headlines but they are nonetheless devastating.

It's not rational to say let's do nothing about gun violence while fostering the hysteria about terrorism that makes 100 times fewer victims, and spending tens of billions of dollars on wasteful mass surveillance in the name of fighting terrorism. How much money is devoted to violence prevention and worthy causes toward containing gun violence ?

Maybe we (you) could do something to build a more tolerant and inclusive nation, where people do not live in hate of Jews, Muslims or LGBT and entertain murder thoughts.
Surely, we have enlightened leadership and voters who are driving us on the right track now ?