The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[JB Lions]

Alejandro Villanueva, Pittsburgh Steeler and U.S. Army Ranger stands alone for the national anthem
The rest of the pathetic team cowards stayed in the locker room to avoid controversy.

Now the real story

Steelers' Villanueva: Mix-up led to anthem flap

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...x-up-led-to-anthem-flap/ar-AAsswJF?li=BBnb7Kz

Also Trump retweeted:NFLplayer PatTillman joined U.S. Army in 2002. He was killed in action 2004. He fought 4our country/freedom.

His wife said:

"The very action of self expression and the freedom to speak from one's heart -- no matter those views -- is what Pat and so many other Americans have given their lives for," Marie Tillman said. "Even if they didn't always agree with those views. It is my sincere hope that our leaders both understand and learn from the lessons of Pat's life and death, and also those of so many other brave Americans."
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...t-tillman-asks-husband-memory-not-politicized

 

[enlytend]

2) If the NFL can punish players for acknowledging police murdered by Black Live Matter on the field, they certainly stop them from protesting for Black Lives Matter.
.

However now it's gone far beyond that to the right to peacefully protest.

Push polling "Stand or kneel" email went out to his supporters yesterday soliciting campaign contributions. Using the national anthem to beg for cash. Nice.

Mean tweets of the day:

So what is he saying? Is he victim blaming them for the power grid destruction and saying they're on their own to fix it? We're talking 3.5 million of our own citizens without power. But buena suerte.

And him of all people getting on his high horse about owing money? Really?

Something I didn't know - everything costs more on Puerto Rico because of the post WWI Jones Act and it also makes it more difficult to get them things they need. It was waived for a week for areas hit by Harvey and Irma, suspending it again for Puerto Rico and USVI makes sense while they try to recover from this disaster.

"Doing well?" Over half the people on that island STILL have no access to safe drinking water. Maybe that should take priority over campaigning for 2020 re election and stupid sideshows about kneeling vs standing.

Any NPers in Puerto Rico?

 

[mr-x]

However now it's gone far beyond that to the right to peacefully protest.

Push polling email went out to his supporters yesterday soliciting campaign contributions and using the protests as a reason.

So well just argue about who's right instead of the reason for the protest. Penguins, the Stanley Cup champs will visit the white house.

Sports writers are outraged. Let that sink in... Journalist are invested in the outrage and division.

So what is he saying? Is he victim blaming them for the power grid destruction and saying they're on their own to fix it? We're talking 3.5 million of our own citizens without power. But buena suerte.

I think he's saying PR's infrastructure was run down and it will take longer to restore. PR was a liberal paradise without a tax base. They are deep in debt and have not taken care of basic needs.

TX and FL have.

And him of all people getting on his high horse about owing money? Really?

Something I didn't know - everything costs more on Puerto Rico because of the post WWI Jones Act and it also makes it more difficult to get them things they need. It was waived for a week for areas hit by Harvey and Irma, suspending it again for Puerto Rico and USVI makes sense while they try to recover from this disaster.

"Doing well?" Over half the people on that island STILL have no access to safe drinking water. Maybe that should take priority over campaigning for 2020 re election and stupid sideshows about kneeling vs standing.

Any NPers in Puerto Rico?

PR is an Island, so like HI, everything has to be imported. Wasn't aware of the Jones Act. but it's protectionist so probably ads to the difficulty, cost of goods.

 

[enlytend]

Sports writers are outraged. Let that sink in... Journalist are invested in the outrage and division.

Journalists report stories. POTUS seems rather fond of stoking outrage and division... and using it for personal gain. That and his disrespect for 1A are deserving of outrage.

The drinking water situation is very concerning - people are drinking from open pipes, that's a cholera outbreak waiting to happen .

It feels like 45 is dragging his feet on this. Because his golf course went bankrupt? Because most of them voted for Rubio in the primary? Getting it confused with Mexico? I don't know, but either he isn't getting his message out or his priorities are very wrong, and he's an expert at the former...

As of yesterday he was refusing to suspend the Jones Act for them... San Juan's mayor is among the Puerto Rican officials pleading for this. Also, from the mayor:

"We are finding dialysis patients that have not been able to contact their providers. We are having to transport them in near-death conditions. We are finding people whose oxygen tanks are running out, because our small generators now don't have any diesel, and disabled people, they live alone and can't just walk somewhere," she said.​

These are our own citizens. Let's not make this Katrina 2.0. We can do better for them.

 

[GILSAN]

Perhaps all the Hollyweird lefties + those very rich NFL + NBA players as well as the equally rich musicians that love to Take a Knee in protest, should instead waste their energies by donating $1 million each or more, then get down on both knees and make a plea to journalists or others in privileged positions to also help donate to Puerto Rico.

Right there, they could gather a few billion $ for starters and get the solidarity ball rolling. But they won't do that, because they're almost all a bunch of greedy wankers. But they are very good at getting together to demonize Trump.

BTW, if Puerto Ricans are US citizens why are they not a State? Is it because the previous American governments didn't want them to be one, or the Puerto Ricans don't want to be? I understand that they voted on two referendums (2012 and 2016 if I'm not wrong) to become part of the Union. Why no changes?

Why has PR allowed itself to get into a $75 billion debt?

Here in Madeira Island our Autonomous government also got us into a $6-7 billion debt, but at least the money was mostly well spent and is there for everyone to see. The amount of infrastructure built is really quite impressive, from hundreds of bridges, tunnels, highways, roads, marinas, airports, hospitals, Medical centers and sports complexes in every village, lots of new schools, government housing, sewage and water treatment, a very modern telecom network and an electric grid that would be the envy of most Americans, the list is endless.

And we have to pay back every single cent of that debt to Angela Merckel's German banks, at very high interest rates, while millions of invading mostly Muslim freeloaders are welcomed, housed, clothed, fed, schooled, and given more benefits than the native Germans for FREE... for doing NOTHING.

Since Puerto Rico's infrastructure was apparently in bad condition, does it mean it has squandered the $75 billion it loaned?

Enlytend keeps saying that Trump is doing nothing for PR. That's not what I read. But then again I don't get most of my news from NYT or WAPO or CNN or the rest of MSM where they don't like to mention what Trump is doing right... on purpose.

Besides, many ports and the airport were damaged, which makes it more difficult to send supplies over there at a faster pace.

 

[mr-x]

It feels like 45 is dragging his feet on this. Because his golf course went bankrupt?

"feels"

These are our own citizens. Let's not make this Katrina 2.0. We can do better for them.

Looks like you've absorbed the talking points. Well done. I don't know how anyone could provide help any faster than the US Navy and Air Force, but why don't you go give it try.

 

[enlytend]

The debt and the humanitarian issue are two different things. People come first ... or they should.

Statehood = irrelevant.

Nice ad hominem trying to disparage "talking points." If you don't like what I'm saying because you dislike other sources you heard it from, thats not a valid argument.

I'm referencing what the local officials are saying - they're likely have the most accurate perspective on the conditions there.

In any case, 45 seems to think it's more important to launch a tweetstorm to blame the victims than to express sympathy for them or hold a news conference to outline what's being done...

 

[Kate]

The goal is achieved: people are distracted by the background noise and do not focus on the things that matter. Like holding decision makers accountable.
It's so easy to manipulate people...

 

[JB Lions]

How Puerto Rico Is Becoming Trump's Katrina

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/how-puerto-rico-is-becoming-trumps-katrina-w505523

 

[E-Promote]

In any case, 45 seems to think it's more important to launch a tweetstorm to blame the victims than to express sympathy for them or hold a news conference to outline what's being done...

The pattern? It's always about him. He spends the majority of his time talking about himself. His attacks on others, his doubling down on mistakes, it's all a manifestation of his inflated insecure ego, his self absorption and his lack of real empathy. Narcissism personified.

 

[E-Promote]

Ask yourself how you should really feel about a President that is all too willing to publicly attack and criticize athletes peacefully exercising their First Amendment rights while offering little to no criticism for neo nazis and white supremacists exercising theirs.

 

[mr-x]

The debt and the humanitarian issue are two different things. People come first ... or they should.

Statehood = irrelevant.

Nice ad hominem trying to disparage "talking points." If you don't like what I'm saying because you dislike other sources you heard it from, thats not a valid argument.

I'm referencing what the local officials are saying - they're likely have the most accurate perspective on the conditions there.

In any case, 45 seems to think it's more important to launch a tweetstorm to blame the victims than to express sympathy for them or hold a news conference to outline what's being done...

@JB Lions, @enlytend
Let me know when you're going to PR to help out. Or at least how you'd do it better, instead of complaining about what other people are doing.

 

[mr-x]

PR - $70 billion in debt and crumbling infrastructure before the last two hurricanes.

1000 Nautical miles from Florida to Puerto Rico.

Currently six commercial cargo ships transporting commodities 24 hours a day.

Non-stop air bridge from FL to PR delivering over 33K meals and clean water every / day.

Personnel from three Naval bases, a half dozen more ships the Air-force, Cost Guard and 1000 federal workers all working to save PR.

That's just the federal effort. A couple hundred charities and NGO's also pitching in.

Shit bird journalist and their readers: 0.

 

[mr-x]

Who you gonna believe, the communist at Slate and Rollingstone or the Governor of PR and Mayor of it's capital.

JOHN YANG: Governor, are you getting all the aid you need or getting it fast enough from the states?

GOV. RICARDO ROSSELLO: First of all, we are very grateful for the administration. They have responded quickly. The president has been very attentive to the situation, personally calling me several times.

FEMA and the FEMA director have been here in Puerto Rico twice. As a matter of fact, they were here with us today, making sure that all the resources in FEMA were working in conjunction with the central government.

We have been working together. We have been getting results. The magnitude of this catastrophe is enormous. This is going to take a lot of help, a lot of collaboration. So, my call is to congressmen and congresswomen to take action quickly and conclusively with an aid package for Puerto Rico.

This morning, the mayor of San Juan, Carmen Yulín Cruz, echoed Rossello’s sentiments. As NBC reports, Cruz called into CNN to share “harrowing details of rescue efforts in her city,” and to “[praise] the Federal Emergency Management Agency’s ‘great job’ and ‘logistics help.’”

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/451757/white-house-not-ignoring-puerto-rico

 

[johname]

Roy Moore Wins Senate GOP Runoff in Alabama

 

[Domainace]

@JB Lions, @enlytend
Let me know when you're going to PR to help out. Or at least how you'd do it better, instead of complaining about what other people are doing.

I blocked a certain person here because (among other things) he thought it was funny to direct radiation jokes at me shortly after the Fukushima tsunami and nuclear power plant disaster. Funny ol' liberals....

 

[mr-x]

I blocked a certain person here because (among other things) he thought it was funny to direct radiation jokes at me shortly after the Fukushima tsunami and nuclear power plant disaster. Funny ol' liberals....

Consider the enormity of the task of just collecting and loading enough commodities to supply an Island of 3.5 million people over 1000 miles from the nearest port large enough for a cargo ship to dock.

Then distributing those commodities to people in the middle of the Island, where roads were bad before this disaster.

Pretty self-righteous and arrogant to complain about the people actually doing the hard work of saving people from behind a keyboard.

 

[GILSAN]

Roy Moore Wins Senate GOP Runoff in Alabama

I really hope Roy Moore wins in Alabama tomorrow... a candidate Trump should have endorsed...

GOOD!!! No horsing around from Roy

Donald should have listened to Steve Bannon instead of the Swamp...

 

[mr-x]

While DNC whines about Russia!!

China’s ‘Magic Weapons’: Influence Operations Subverting Foreign Governments
Report says Beijing sharply increases overseas efforts to sway governments under Xi Jinping

http://freebeacon.com/national-secu...ce-operations-subverting-foreign-governments/

 

[GILSAN]

PR - $70 billion in debt and crumbling infrastructure before the last two hurricanes.

1000 Nautical miles from Florida to Puerto Rico.

Currently six commercial cargo ships transporting commodities 24 hours a day.

Non-stop air bridge from FL to PR delivering over 33K meals and clean water every / day.

Personnel from three Naval bases, a half dozen more ships the Air-force, Cost Guard and 1000 federal workers all working to save PR.

That's just the federal effort. A couple hundred charities and NGO's also pitching in.

sh*t bird journalist and their readers: 0.

The MSM doesn't explain these facts or what Trump is doing to help PR. All they do is invent negative stories to demonize Trump and get their lefties all worked up.