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So, by electing Donald Trump, the people who voted him get tagged as "racists and intolerant"?
I would say yes.
Because they voted for him, they know exactly about his ideas, his background, what he represents and they can't say that 'they didn't know'.
Even if they didn't vote for DT's ideas or don't endorse them - they gave him a mandate to implement them, which is the same thing. It's just too easy to skirt responsibility.
Voting is a right, a civic duty but also a tremendous responsibility. Unfortunately the idea of personal responsibility no longer takes hold in the poll booths it seems.
Voters had a choice, it didn't have to be DT or HC. They need to take responsibility for their choices.

And in what way is Trump going to affect "You" in your life?
Let me ask this: what is the point of voting if it's not going to have an influence on your everyday life ? Of course, the elections are important and the outcome affects all of us one way or the other.

I wasn't happy when GWB was elected but I was willing to give a chance. He messed up miserably and he's been a total disaster to this country. (You would think that the country that brought us GWB would be more cautious in the future in light of the recent experience, but no...)

So I am not optimistic about DT. I think that even if DT and his team were to stick to a more 'moderate' and conciliatory line, they are still going to do a lot of damage.

You should be very much concerned when positions are filled in the state apparatus by people who have shown their contempt for the rule of law and civil rights. They are here to push an agenda, that is what they are for and they have been elected for that purpose.

This is what I expect:
  • The surveillance state will be expended dramatically, Big Brother will not be pushed back (sorry Snowden, you're stuck). Say goodbye to the remnants of your freedoms.
  • Guantanamo will not close down, instead the experiment could even be replicated elsewhere, that is on US soil proper. We will see internment camps, generalization of martial rule. The military is already on the streets and people are used to it. It's like living on the battlefield, during a ceasefire. But the idea behind mass surveillance is that everybody is an Enemy of the State. If you don't like the current social order, you will be the target.
  • The erosion of democracy will continue (what's left of it). Unlike other countries, the US has strong institutions that act as a balance and make American democracy more resilient against ill-inspired leaders. But that doesn't suffice. Over the last 15 years America has been quietly sliding into tyranny at a breath-taking pace.
  • In terms of foreign policy: IMO this is going to be the biggest casualty. DT will probably focus more on national issues and neglect international affairs. Like his predecessor, he will attempt a 'reset' of relations with Russia and turn a blind eye on the multiple destabilization efforts of Putin. Then when it's too late he will realize the 'reset' doesn't work because Putin doesn't play by our rules anyway.
Biggest loser: the rest of the world.
 
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I take responsibility for my vote, I don't want to have to answer one day for participating in the killing of more babies then the Nazi.s killed people in WW11 .

In my opinion anyone who votes Democratic is directly responsible for the continuation of these autrocities, yes there is forgiveness, but by continuing to do the same thing obviously there isn't repentance
 
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I have a good laugh when I hear Democrats talking about democracy, yet they don't accept the election results in the US and in the UK (Bexit).

2016 has been a great year for conservatives as shown by the UK and US elections. Next year I hope to see Marine Le Pen kick ass in France and see Angela Merkel get her ass kicked in Germany. Also hoping to see Austria, Italy, Netherlands turn right.

looking forward to see more Liberals squealing and bitching in 2017...
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Who is deplorable now? Gang of four are charged after 'beating' Trump supporter in horrific attack caught on camera
  • Four people have been charged in the videotaped beating of a man as bystanders yelled 'Don't vote Trump,' Chicago police say
  • Julian Christian, Rajane Lewis, Dejuan Collins and a 17-year-old girl who wasn't identified were each charged with vehicular hijacking
  • David Wilcox, 49, says he was attacked after another car scraped his
  • He says he was beaten after parking and asking the other driver if they had insurance
Read more:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-man-yell-anti-Trump-words.html#ixzz4QUEdevLh

LOL... They were charged with "vehicular hijacking"

Had it been whites beating a black guy, the charge would have been a "hate crime"

Double Standards
 
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With your wording, you make it seem like I support abortion.

A vasectomy doesn't eliminate human life; it prevents the conception of human life. Anyone willing and desperate enough to give this up for $1000, most likely, and I'm turly generalizing here, shouldn't conceive as the child will most likely end up being a child of the state even if they are "good parents". By that, I mean that the parents will get increased welfare, EBT, earned income credit, etc., etc. for that child. This of course, is a burden on everyone external to the family.

Again, generalizing.

But, it doesn't go without saying, $1000 now saves $thousands more later.

I think this is a terrible idea. The Gov shouldn't be in the business of paying people not to have children. You can make it available at free or low cost but Gov incentives will spin out of control in ways we can't see.
 
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Go over what you have posted and think with open mind and with understanding. Remember, you don't have to be specifically point out on specific things; but the things of what you trying to accomplished to.

If I said something racist, point it out. More likely, your own bias interprets a statement of fact as generalization.
 
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Trump said that was rude and should apologize to the VP. This mean trump had disagreed such behavior. When trump's advisor said to the world that Hillary should be killed firing squad? What did trump reaction of his advisor statement towards Hillary? Did trump said to his advisor this is rude and you should apologize? If trump didn't say these, my observation was he said it too.

I think we can all come together over the fact Trump is brash, rude and hypocritical. Did I mention petty?

Mike Pence is not. He's a thoughtful and effective Governor.
 
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Fact check: More than 50% of American voters peacefully voted for HRC. So far, I believe the count is approx. 1.5 million more.

I don't condone violence, but a lot of people fear this country turning into an authoritarian kleptocracy and are expressing their opinion, as allowed by our 1st amendment.

Fact Check: Neither candidate hit 50%. Massive voter fraud in North Carolina by Democrats. Would not be surprised if actual count for HRC was 200K less

What do you base your estimate of 1.5mm more votes on ?
 
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I would say yes.
Because they voted for him, they know exactly about his ideas, his background, what he represents and they can't say that 'they didn't know'.
Even if they didn't vote for DT's ideas or don't endorse them - they gave him a mandate to implement them, which is the same thing. It's just too easy to skirt responsibility.
Voting is a right, a civic duty but also a tremendous responsibility. Unfortunately the idea of personal responsibility no longer takes hold in the poll booths it seems.
Voters had a choice, it didn't have to be DT or HC. They need to take responsibility for their choices.

1) What did DT promise to do that's racist? If you can't point to a specific policy you're just a bigot, generalizing about people you don't agree with.

2) HRC would have gutted the balance on the Supreme Court.

When that happens, we get BAD laws. It doesn't matter what ideology the judge is.. as long as they understand the Constitution and are true to it's obvious historical meaning.

HRC promised to gut the #1A and #2A. Without those, the rest don't matter.


3) Hillary has no problem generalizing about almost half of America, calling them deplorable. Just like she called young black men "super predators" and we needed to "bring them to heel"

Apparently, that's not racist or bigoted b/c she a democrat with a vagina.

Let me ask this: what is the point of voting if it's not going to have an influence on your everyday life ? Of course, the elections are important and the outcome affects all of us one way or the other.

America is bigger then the President. Pres. Obama's economic policy has been terrible for business. He militarized federal agencies like the FDA and EPA. Thousands of pages of regulations.. no one has even read.

I wasn't happy when GWB was elected but I was willing to give a chance. He messed up miserably and he's been a total disaster to this country. (You would think that the country that brought us GWB would be more cautious in the future in light of the recent experience, but no...)

GWB was a terrible President. He was a big Gov liberal in Republican clothing just like his father.

So I am not optimistic about DT. I think that even if DT and his team were to stick to a more 'moderate' and conciliatory line, they are still going to do a lot of damage.

I think the media will express so much bias, people will tune them out. I've already stopped watching cable news.. it's nuts. Depending on the channel, Trump is an Angel or Demon.

It's up to US to keep DT from turning America upside down. WE need to drain the swamp. From the DOJ to the VA.

You should be very much concerned when positions are filled in the state apparatus by people who have shown their contempt for the rule of law and civil rights. They are here to push an agenda, that is what they are for and they have been elected for that purpose.

How would that be any diff then GWB or BHO? Local elections matter more then national one.

All we need is for the Fed's to leave us alone. The states lifted our economy out of recession in spite of the federal Gov.



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I don't condone violence, but a lot of people fear this country turning into an authoritarian kleptocracy and are expressing their opinion, as allowed by our 1st amendment.

Blocking transit, breaking car windows, rioting are not protected under the #1A.
 
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I believe public figures even movie stars have a right to enjoy a public event without being harassed, I have a friend who was at the theater behind Robert dinero, his wife said get his autograph, he said to her no, let him and his family enjoy a night out, Mr dinero thanked him after the show for understanding this, I see quiete a few celebraties in Lowes because we are right next to OC choppers and treat them like every other customer. I don't approve of what went down, it actually defeats the purpose of the show which is a depiction how politics can get out of hand.
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Out of control and zero direction. Not good.
 
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Now here's a Liberal I can respect, even though he disagrees with virtually all of Trump's policies.

This guy (Pie) thinks he knows who is to blame for the rise of Trump...and you're not going to like it!
 
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I take responsibility for my vote, I don't want to have to answer one day for participating in the killing of more babies then the Nazi.s killed people in WW11 .

In my opinion anyone who votes Democratic is directly responsible for the continuation of these autrocities, yes there is forgiveness, but by continuing to do the same thing obviously there isn't repentance

Abortions will happen regardless, so you haven't done anything but maybe make yourself feel good, while neglecting all the other real issues out there.

HRC promised to gut the #1A and #2A. Without those, the rest don't matter.

Links?

What do you base your estimate of 1.5mm more votes on ?

Vote count - http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clintons-popular-vote-lead-donald-trump-now/story?id=43667918

Blocking transit, breaking car windows, rioting are not protected under the #1A.

I don't see anybody condoning that, but you guys would rather focus on the very small percentage doing that, instead of the mostly peaceful protests that are happening. I see you guys skipped over Trump's tweets about that kind of thing. From last election - "Trump tweeted that US citizens should โ€œmarch on Washington and stop this travesty,โ€ and that the country needed to โ€œfight like hell and stop this great and disgusting injustice.โ€ and this one where he said it was rigged, over and over again. So he's ok with marching, protesting and he helped fire the people up. Now you guys are crying about it.
 
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Abortions will happen regardless, so you haven't done anything but maybe make yourself feel good, while neglecting all the other real issues out there.

Links?

http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf...ut-first-amendment-within-first-30-days-term/

http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/19...upreme-courts-heller-decision-wasnt-toddlers/

Please don't pretend she's pro #2A.

I don't see anybody condoning that, but you guys would rather focus on the very small percentage doing that, instead of the mostly peaceful protests that are happening. I see you guys skipped over Trump's tweets about that kind of thing. From last election - "Trump tweeted that US citizens should โ€œmarch on Washington and stop this travesty,โ€ and that the country needed to โ€œfight like hell and stop this great and disgusting injustice.โ€ and this one where he said it was rigged, over and over again. So he's ok with marching, protesting and he helped fire the people up. Now you guys are crying about it.

It was a LARGE number of people trashing Portland and blocking the 1-5. National news was pretty silent about it, even local news barely covered it. Most of the reporting done by local Portland media.

I've never, ever, ever, never suggested people should march on WA if Trump lost. Lots of media saying Trump people would march and or riot.

Alt-right probably would have had a hey-day.. I don't think they're as organized as the Democrats though.
 
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The Red State link actually says Trump is worse:
"Of course, Hillary Clinton isnโ€™t even the worst candidate in the race on the First Amendment, an honor that belongs to Donald Trump by a mile:"

"As awful as Clinton is on this issue, at least she doesnโ€™t openly advocate for using the court system to bully journalists who write critical articles about the sitting President, an attitude that you would expect from Vladimir Putin but not from someone who is running for President, ostensibly as a Republican."

http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf...ut-first-amendment-within-first-30-days-term/

And no, Hillary isn't trying to ban guns. Just reasonable regulations the majority of Americans support, even most Republicans. Already went over that earlier.

I've never, ever, ever, never suggested people should march on WA if Trump lost. Lots of media saying Trump people would march and or riot.

I never said you, I said Trump is ok with protesting and marching, straight from his mouth.

It's funny hearing you guys that support Trump, talking about freedoms. As if you're completely oblivious to the candidate you supported.
 
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The Red State link actually says Trump is worse:
"Of course, Hillary Clinton isnโ€™t even the worst candidate in the race on the First Amendment, an honor that belongs to Donald Trump by a mile:"

And no, Hillary isn't trying to ban guns. Just reasonable regulations the majority of Americans support, even most Republicans. Already went over that earlier.



I never said you, I said Trump is ok with protesting and marching, straight from his mouth.

It's funny hearing you guys that support Trump, talking about freedoms. As if you're completely oblivious to the candidate you supported.

Yep - I never said Trump was honest or capable of being Pres. I said he'd get impeached and Mick Pence would be a great president. :)
 
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And no, Hillary isn't trying to ban guns. Just reasonable regulations the majority of Americans support, even most Republicans. Already went over that earlier.

Majority of people who support Hillary.. not the majority of Americans. #fakenews
 
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Majority of people who support Hillary.. not the majority of Americans. #fakenews

No, go back and read. Or check the polls yourself.
 
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