The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[JB Lions]

40 minutes till debate.

3 Bill Clinton accusers will be in the audience tonight as Trump's guests.

This is going to be crazy, what a mess.

Said this back in March, now it's happening.

So R.I.P. the GOP. I think we need more competitive parties instead of the 2 main ones.

Have to decide to support Trump or go against will of people. Lose either way.

One last before and after for historical purposes, see what kind of affect this debate has on the numbers

Hillary 80.3%
https://electionbettingodds.com/

Hillary 81.5%
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

Hillary +4.5%
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...s/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

 

[GILSAN]

 

[MasterOfMyDomains]

http://thechronicleherald.ca/editorial-cartoon/2016-03-11-editorial-cartoon

 

[baseballworld]

 

[baseballworld]

 

[baseballworld]

 

[AGermanGuy]

You have Aldi in the USA?

In upstate NY where I live there are 5 stores within 20 miles of me, I do most of our grocery shopping there.

We can agree to disagree on Europe, if the US and its allies didn't win in Africa,then Italy and land in Normandy then most of the German forces could have been moved to the Russian front,creating a stalemate and dragging the war on for years.

on a side note General Rommels son was our mayor back then, from my understanding his father tried to stop the madness and was forced to commit suicide.[/QUOTE]
And again, I disagree. Without the americans the British still would have been able to defeat Germany in Africa, it just would have taken longer. And even if Germany would have sent most of his troops in the west to the east, it wouldnt have been enough to defeat Russia or make a stalemate. Germany would have lost, no matter if the Americans are in it or not. The Americans just shortened the war by about 2 years I would guess.

 

[JB Lions]

The Americans just shortened the war by about 2 years I would guess.

Well, that's kind of a big deal. 2 years of war is major stuff. Also, are you aware of the Marshall Plan? You're trying to downplay the impact the U.S. has, it just doesn't match history tho.

"The Marshall Plan (officially the European Recovery Program, ERP) was an American initiative to aid Western Europe, in which the United States gave over $12 billion (approximately $120 billion in current dollar value as of June 2016) in economic support to help rebuild Western European economies after the end of World War II. The plan was in operation for four years beginning April 8, 1948. The goals of the United States were to rebuild war-devastated regions, remove trade barriers, modernize industry, make Europe prosperous again, and prevent the spread of communism. The Marshall Plan required a lessening of interstate barriers, a dropping of many regulations, and encouraged an increase in productivity, labour union membership, as well as the adoption of modern business procedures."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan

Then revisit your comment:
"You know why we can have healthcare and a good economy AND an army? Because we are not as insance as you and spent trillions on our military. Btw, youre not protecting the free world. You are an empire and when you intervene somewhere its in your own interest."

Even tho I don't always agree with what we do, when we intervene it's usually mutual interest or somebody asking for help. Euros aren't going to do anything, so somebody has to step up.

Latest NBC Poll, Clinton +14

Debate was crazy, pathetic but gave Hillary yet another bump. Both Election Betting Odds and FiveThirtyEight went up for Hillary, now 81% and 83.%.

 

[enlytend]

That's such a stupid comparison... 50 shades = a consensual relationship.

Nobody objects to the "P" word. The offensive word is "grab." Being a celebrity doesn't entitle anyone to assault others. Forcing yourself on someone without consent, whether its sticking your tongue in their mouth or grabbing genitalia, is assault.

Admiring is fine. Using naughty words is fine. Grabbing and forcing yourself on someone is not. And whether or not someone ELSE has behaved badly with women, it doesn't make it acceptable.

Bet it's been pretty cold in the Trump bedroom since Friday.

 

[baseballworld]

In upstate NY where I live there are 5 stores within 20 miles of me, I do most of our grocery shopping there.

We can agree to disagree on Europe, if the US and its allies didn't win in Africa,then Italy and land in Normandy then most of the German forces could have been moved to the Russian front,creating a stalemate and dragging the war on for years.

on a side note General Rommels son was our mayor back then, from my understanding his father tried to stop the madness and was forced to commit suicide.

And again, I disagree. Without the americans the British still would have been able to defeat Germany in Africa, it just would have taken longer. And even if Germany would have sent most of his troops in the west to the east, it wouldnt have been enough to defeat Russia or make a stalemate. Germany would have lost, no matter if the Americans are in it or not. The Americans just shortened the war by about 2 years I would guess.[/QUOTE]
Im from uptstate ny too. North of syracuse

 

[GILSAN]

Nobody objects to the "P" word. The offensive word is "grab." Being a celebrity doesn't entitle anyone to assault others. Forcing yourself on someone without consent, whether its sticking your tongue in their mouth or grabbing genitalia, is assault.

And who did Trump force himself on without consent?
The Liberal Media is making a mountain out of a molehill, and now all liberals are screaming "How offensive, how disgusting".

Disgusting is all the foul mouthed crap that comes out of late night shows or MTV or American movies, where every conversation comes with a barrage of the worst swear words around. Nobody swears more than Americans.

So I just LOL when I hear all these so called reporters, pretending to feel offended by what Trump said, but will laugh their asses off with all the filth that comes out of Hollywood or some late night shows, just to name a few examples.

HYPOCRITES

Hillary is carrying so much negative baggage, yet the super biased MSM only investigates Trump. And so it will carry on like this till election day. A corrupt and biased Liberal media helping elect a corrupt Hillary, with a little help from some corrupt Republicans.

 

[enlytend]

And who did Trump force himself on without consent?

Anyone to whom he did what he boasted about doing. Like this woman - http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-words-echo-womans-allegations-507763 or maybe one of these - https://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/th...d-alleging-inappropriate-contact-by-mr-trump/

As I said, it's not about the language. And those other people you spoke of aren't running for president.

It's amazing how much trumps self-marketing has shifted the moral compass of his followers. If footage like that had come out about Obama or anyone else running for president 4 or 8 years ago can you imagine the uproar?

I was talking to someone I know who's a christian person, trump supporter and a father - asked him: If Howard stern wanted to call his daughter a piece of a** on air would he say "sure go ahead" or "dude -not appropriate."
He is now perfectly ok with someone talking about his daughter like that - or so he says.. 5 years ago no way he would have allowed it.

 

[GILSAN]

Anyone to whom he did what he boasted about doing. Like this woman - http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-words-echo-womans-allegations-507763 or maybe one of these - https://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/th...d-alleging-inappropriate-contact-by-mr-trump/

Gloria Allred? LOL... You couldn't have found a worst example of an opportunistic "vulture like" lawyer, who, for some reason, hates men.
She is an advocate for her bank balance, not for rape victims,” The day she leaves this world is the day that society will instantly improve.

It's amazing how much trumps self-marketing has shifted the moral compass of his followers. If footage like that had come out about Obama or anyone else running for president 4 or 8 years ago can you imagine the uproar?

That would never happen, because the Obama Kiss Ass Liberal Media would hide it.

I was talking to someone I know who's a christian person, trump supporter and a father - asked him: If Howard stern wanted to call his daughter a piece of a** on air would he say "sure go ahead" or "dude -not appropriate."
He is now perfectly ok with someone talking about his daughter like that - or so he says.. 5 years ago no way he would have allowed it.

So now it's Trump's fault for changing the moral compass of conservatives?

IMO, America's moral compass has been going down the drain for the last 50 years, especially in the last 30, and we can especially thank Hollywood, Liberals and the MSM for that. They are the main culprits.

 

[GILSAN]

"End Women's Suffrage" Before the Election! Say These Women! I'll bet they are Hillary supporters.

 

[enlytend]

You're entitled to your opinions, that doesn't make them facts. Women are coming forward about these incidents. Maybe they feel safe going to someone they know will advocate for them.

Basic human decency has definitely taken a nosedive since trump came on the scene. He sells it as "politically incorrect" but it's just a lack of respect and basic decency towards anyone who disagrees with you.

Trump is a con man and you're being played. If trump told his followers a blue sky was really orange with green polka dots, half of them would agree with him even if they were looking right at it.

If you believe this boorish, hate-filled, no-substance reality tv huckster will make a great president, I know an exiled prince who wants to give you a million dollars.

Oh and if he gets elected? Brush up on your Russian ...http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-pu...-clinton-donald-trump-benghazi-sputnik-508635

 

[RogueWriter]

That's such a stupid comparison... 50 shades = a consensual relationship.

I wonder if sticking a cigar inside your young intern is considered part of a healthy, consensual relationship by the libtards.

 

[GILSAN]

You're entitled to your opinions, that doesn't make them facts. Women are coming forward about these incidents. Maybe they feel safe going to someone they know will advocate for them.

Basic human decency has definitely taken a nosedive since trump came on the scene. He sells it as "politically incorrect" but it's just a lack of respect and basic decency towards anyone who disagrees with you.

Lack of respect is what the Liberal Media and Hollywood celebrities are saying about Trump and the "Deplorables". Their viciousness pales in comparison to what Trump says. Lets not forget that in 99% of the time Trump gets attacked first and since he counter attacks back, all the Liberal virgins get offended.

About time someone fights back against the MSM. They are the ones that have no respect for anyone that disagrees with them. The MSM is supposed to report the news, NOT defend the Democrats and constantly attack Trump. PC can go to hell as far as I'm concerned. We have enough of that crap here in Europe as well.

Good for you Trump... Give them hell and build that wall.

Oh and if he gets elected? Brush up on your Russian ...http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-pu...-clinton-donald-trump-benghazi-sputnik-508635

I'm not worried about the Russians. That's just a diversion by Hillary and her Media Lapdogs to brainwash their followers and others. I'm worried about the Muslim invasion of Europe that our POS politicians, especially Angela Merkel (Hillary's favorite foreign leader) are pushing with their open border policies, that allows millions of unvetted people that are not interested in integrating in our western society, but instead are interested in the free benefits they get once they land in Europe.

And amongst those millions there are dozens of thousands that are terrorists, criminals or mentally ill or sick with various types of diseases that had been eradicated from Europe a long time ago and are now reappearing thanks to these invaders.

These people have already started disrupting our lifestyle with all the terrorism going on and it's getting worse by the day. These are the ones I'm worried about.... not the Russians

 

[GILSAN]

 

[GILSAN]

Could this be true? MSM won't show this.
BANISHED - The Untold Story of Danney Williams

 

[AGermanGuy]

Well, that's kind of a big deal. 2 years of war is major stuff. Also, are you aware of the Marshall Plan? You're trying to downplay the impact the U.S. has, it just doesn't match history tho.

"The Marshall Plan (officially the European Recovery Program, ERP) was an American initiative to aid Western Europe, in which the United States gave over $12 billion (approximately $120 billion in current dollar value as of June 2016) in economic support to help rebuild Western European economies after the end of World War II. The plan was in operation for four years beginning April 8, 1948. The goals of the United States were to rebuild war-devastated regions, remove trade barriers, modernize industry, make Europe prosperous again, and prevent the spread of communism. The Marshall Plan required a lessening of interstate barriers, a dropping of many regulations, and encouraged an increase in productivity, labour union membership, as well as the adoption of modern business procedures."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan

Then revisit your comment:
"You know why we can have healthcare and a good economy AND an army? Because we are not as insance as you and spent trillions on our military. Btw, youre not protecting the free world. You are an empire and when you intervene somewhere its in your own interest."

Even tho I don't always agree with what we do, when we intervene it's usually mutual interest or somebody asking for help. Euros aren't going to do anything, so somebody has to step up.

Latest NBC Poll, Clinton +14

Debate was crazy, pathetic but gave Hillary yet another bump. Both Election Betting Odds and FiveThirtyEight went up for Hillary, now 81% and 83.%.

You dont need to teach me history, we have school, too^^

The marshall plan helped greatly and is the reason why erurope is so good right now. BUT it wasnt for the sake of helping europe. It was because America wanted a strong europe as a barrier to Russia.

We are not doing anything because we dont like invading countries like you. Nobody asked you to invade Iraq, nobody asked you to invade Afghanistan, I can go on with this but you know what I mean. You didnt help those countries. You made these countries worse.

Now, lets just end it here. This discussion is endless^^

And again, I disagree. Without the americans the British still would have been able to defeat Germany in Africa, it just would have taken longer. And even if Germany would have sent most of his troops in the west to the east, it wouldnt have been enough to defeat Russia or make a stalemate. Germany would have lost, no matter if the Americans are in it or not. The Americans just shortened the war by about 2 years I would guess.

Im from uptstate ny too. North of syracuse[/QUOTE]
I think you quoted the wrong one :P