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Who is to Blame for the Troubled US Economy?

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If you are not a criminal what are you worried about?

Seizing part of your bank account, for example, like what happened in Cyprus and could just as easily happen elsewhere in Europe or even the US. In fact recently, some German politicians as well as the Bundesbank said recently that seizing bank accounts should be done first, before bailing out a country in big debt.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/27/us-eurozone-crisis-bundesbank-idUSBREA0Q0HV20140127

So you don't have to be a criminal to worry about what criminal Politicians and Bankers are capable of doing with your money.
 
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So Republican response was to let God handle it and pray.
 
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So Republican response was to let God handle it and pray.

Felt like I was sitting through a weird, awkward, political episode of Sesame Street...
 
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Hillary Clinton - I will never ever ever support her, anyone that thinks rationaly would not either. If you think Obama is bad, wait till you see what Hillary brings.

Democrats will nominate her simply because she is a woman. They want that selling point. Having an adulterer for a husband is a nice bonus, their voting block respects that, and Lord knows Mr. Clinton is all for having more interns around the place.
 
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Democrats will nominate her simply because she is a woman. They want that selling point. Having an adulterer for a husband is a nice bonus, their voting block respects that, and Lord knows Mr. Clinton is all for having more interns around the place.

I love illogical party political statements. This is the same as saying the Republicans wanted a woman on the ballot that knew what it was like to have a "bastard" grand-child.....

oh, I guess you're right :)

I hate both parties.
 
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Who knows, she might not even run. Same problem I had with McCain, age/health. She'll be pushing 70, 2 terms would bring her to 78 for one of the most stressful jobs on the planet.

Was checking the oldest Presidents, she would be around what Reagan was when he first went in:

"The oldest president to assume office was Ronald Reagan (age 69 years, 349 days)."

Democrats will nominate her simply because she is a woman.

More that she's qualified and has the best chance to win. Of course it helps that it will also be a historical moment for the country. Every candidate mentioned for the Republicans, right now she beats:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_presidential_race.html

But things can change.
 
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how people accept "debunkers" that make a sport out of "debunking" that post on a forum more than any "conspiracy theorsit" is mind bloggling. The debunkers are by no means objective and in every way conspiracy theorists themselves, for the most part. Just because you put the name "rational" ,"debunk", or "wiki" on a forum or website doesnt help.

Theo, I find it funny you seem to hate the conspiracy theory label, when you throw out real stats, stats both parties use for Shadow Stats, or the past 9/11 conversations and Pentagon was an inside job type stuff or your recent dislike of a post I made thinking it was ridiculous this whole FEMA Camp is going to round up the homeless stuff. If that hat fits, wear it.

So FEMA camps. You think there is some big conspiracy out there or maybe what Gilsan posted, maybe one day, we'll just starting gassing them, like they did back in the day in real concentration camps? And you don't like the real stuff, the more likely stuff but rather the crazy, conspiracy stuff because it's just more interesting, is that it?
 
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More that she's qualified and has the best chance to win. Of course it helps that it will also be a historical moment for the country.

Of course it has to be an 'historical moment' for the country, that is what is important to liberals, not actual experience. It is never about experience, it is about angle. In 2024, they will probably be nominating a handicapped transgender legalized illegal alien, and won't that be 'historical'.

As for experience, under her watchful eye all foreign policy in the middle east region imploded, her phone rang, as the political ad goes, and she slept through it. I guess if you want someone who blithely goes on unawares while the world tears itself apart, she is by all means the person you want to vote for. But, most importantly, she is a woman, and it is just so 'historical' that we vote for her, I can almost visualize ( unfortunately ) Chris Matthews peeing down his leg at the thought of her inaugural.

Liberals control the democrat party, and they have the talking points down to a science, there will be chants of 'war on women' in the streets and their low information voters will follow along blindly.

Like I said before, the republicans, who expect voters to make their choice on logic and a long term sense of what is good for the country will never elect a republican to office in my lifetime, not until they change their tactics and find a handicapped conservative transgender war hero organic vegetable loving green energy hispanic CEO to nominate.
 
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You speak of logic and experience then supported a ticket with Palin on it.

"Of course it has to be an 'historical moment' for the country, that is what is important to liberals, not actual experience. It is never about experience, it is about angle."

Again, describing the Palin angle.

Hillary is qualified, has nothing to do with being a woman, that's more an issue with Republicans, no surprise there. She was there with Bill for 8 years and her time now, she knows the issues, how Washington works, has the connections etc.

"not until they change their tactics and find a handicapped conservative transgender war hero organic vegetable loving green energy hispanic CEO to nominate."

Or like I said, just find at least 1 candidate in the Republican party that has some balls and shakes up the party and is about freedom on social issues.

Stuff like gay marriage, legalization of marijuana has momentum and the Republican Party is on the losing side of those issues. It's going to have to evolve (dirty word for many of the right), adapt or die.
 
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Theo, I find it funny you seem to hate the conspiracy theory label, when you throw out real stats, stats both parties use for Shadow Stats, or the past 9/11 conversations and Pentagon was an inside job type stuff or your recent dislike of a post I made thinking it was ridiculous this whole FEMA Camp is going to round up the homeless stuff. If that hat fits, wear it.

It is quite simple, you are not allowed to even question of "that stuff" without being called a conspiracy theorist or "right wing". This is no agument but simply trying as hard as you can to put people in a compartment. This has 0 to do with the topic but it is rather a reactionary knee jerk and lends nothing to your arguments, in fact it detracts from your points. The word "conspiracy theorist" allthough it contians "theo" is an attempt to label and discredit people. "shadow stats" yes they calculate the unemployed as it was calulated in the past, that is not a conspracy. Bringing up 911 - automatic right wing conspracy no matter the content. Anything that is not shown in the mainstream media or on wiki, must be a conspiracy. RT=Bad BBC=Good These "debunkers" might just have the same vested interest in traffic to increase ad revenue, imagine that.


Criminalizing the homeless is mostly about securing property values and the "purfication" of cities to make them more suitable for commerce. No I dont have documents to back this up ,so this is in fact 100% opinon.


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= anything the mainstream media or the goverment says. It must be true.
 
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Most "facts" in this thread are just opinions presented as facts, anyway. It's easy for us to mistakenly believe our personal version of common sense to be factual (because it's just so clear to us it couldn't be any other way). So we promote and defend our beliefs as facts hoping to convince others of something they reject as disdainfully as we reject their attempts to do the same. Kind of a variant on the old tell a lie loud enough and long enough, people will believe it...and quote it as a fact. (And it's a fact that this is only my opinion . . . oh, wait, maybe it's my opinion that it's a fact that this is my opinion. Well, hmmm, maybe not.)
 
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It is quite simple, you are not allowed to even question of "that stuff" without being called a conspiracy theorist or "right wing". This is no agument but simply trying as hard as you can to put people in a compartment. This has 0 to do with the topic but it is rather a reactionary knee jerk and lends nothing to your arguments, in fact it detracts from your points. The word "conspiracy theorist" allthough it contians "theo" is an attempt to label and discredit people. "shadow stats" yes they calculate the unemployed as it was calulated in the past, that is not a conspracy. Bringing up 911 - automatic right wing conspracy no matter the content. Anything that is not shown in the mainstream media or on wiki, must be a conspiracy. RT=Bad BBC=Good These "debunkers" might just have the same vested interest in traffic to increase ad revenue, imagine that.


Criminalizing the homeless is mostly about securing property values and the "purfication" of cities to make them more suitable for commerce. No I dont have documents to back this up ,so this is in fact 100% opinon.


= anything the mainstream media or the goverment says. It must be true.

It's true, I'm always the first to cry conspiracy theory, and I do so with the intent of discrediting a viewpoint. Pretty much everything you mention here I've called a conspiracy theory.

At the same time, though, I do no listen to mainstream media or the government. The media--especially mainstream--is heavily influenced by a variety of factors, and everyone knows it. No conspiracy there; it's a pretty public matter. The government, likewise, has its own interests to protect.

Rather, I like to assess the viability of theories from the perspective of everyone who would be involved. For example, FEMA is super-confidential. If they had received orders to round up the homeless with malicious intent, what are the chances there wouldn't be multiple whistleblowers? Big ones, with real evidence: not a few guys who make a few wild claims.

I like to use the NSA nonsense as an example. Being in the IT industry, I was well aware that this was going on long before it hit mainstream media. Was it a conspiracy? Sure. Did I call it a conspiracy theory? Sure. Did everyone in my position know it was going on? Yup. There were even high profile lawsuits long before the recent shenanigans--big organizations, real evidence, etc. Nobody cared because it just wasn't a media sensation. If you had gone around trying to convince everyone that the NSA was spying on everything everyone did, I would've probably called you a conspiracy theorist--because that's just not how the people who really understood what was going on approached the problem. To this day, I still do everything online, with all my history saved, and make no attempt to cover my tracks, with full belief that the NSA has access to all of it.

It's just not realistic to breed conspiracy theory, even if it's true. There are more reliable ways to go about solving problems. Besides, it doesn't take a genius to wonder if 9/11 was an inside job: sure, it crossed our minds. We just didn't pursue it. Throw me all the evidence you want, but as long as it's all circumstantial, I can't spend my life being paranoid about every single person in power. That's just not a productive use of my time or emotions.

I don't really care if other people choose the other path and get all worked up about every possibility. Some people are just overwhelmed by the chance that someone, somewhere could be doing something evil. But even if I agree with you, I'm still going to call you a conspiracy theorist. Next time I say that, don't read it like I'm giving you the finger; just insert this post in its place. "Sure, you might be right, but I don't really feel like going there."
 
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Their are a lot of conspiracy theories that prove to be true. Unfortunately, they are primarily cover-ups. For example, the latest cover-up conspiracy theory (that may be true, don't know yet) is the lane closures in New Jersey and did Governor Christie know. He denies it, but now his chief of staff says he knew...it's a petty thing, but it had a huge impact on people. however, using that same example, some people say that there's a conspiracy to put the Governor in a bad light so he won't be nominated for the presidency. Go a step further, and it won't be long before one party accuses the other of being responsible for the whole mess. Hey look! I just created a conspiracy theory.
 
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Conspiracy theory website ft.com writes conspiracy theory piece on the US gold conspiracy. According to the US goverment everything with the Gold is fine, therefore there is nothing to worry about.It looks like they didnt use wikipedia or the goverment sites in order to see where the gold is. The offical stats that are used to check these type of things all look fine. I think ft.com and buba are paranoid conspiracy theorists that just want extra traffic to their websites. Why didnt they simply post in the debunkwikiwearelogical forum and ask them??
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/1586a7fe-84d6-11e3-a793-00144feab7de.html#axzz2s9HkwkuY
The consiparcy continues!
FT has installed a PAY WALL in oder to get the most out of the conspiracy theory and debunker traffic! But I have found PROOF that they did in fact write about the gold consipracy!
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/1586a7fe-84d6-11e3-a793-00144feab7de.html#axzz2s9HkwkuY

"High quality global journalism requires investment. Please share this article with others using the link below, do not cut & paste the article. See our Ts&Cs and Copyright Policy for more detail. Email [email protected] to buy additional rights. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1586a7fe-84d6-11e3-a793-00144feab7de.html#ixzz2s9LflG9Q

Last month Jens Weidmann, Bundesbank president, admitted that just 37 tons had arrived in Frankfurt. The original timescale, to complete the transfer by 2020, was leisurely enough, but at this rate it would take 20 years for a simple operation. Well, perhaps not so simple. While he awaits delivery, Herr Weidmann is welcome to come and look through the bars in the Federal Reserveโ€™s vaults, but the question is: whose bars are they?"
 
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Fox seemed downright proud to use the Super Bowl as a political platform. Their choice to read how the Declaration states it is the responsibility of citizens to overthrow their own government, coupled with the blame game by O'Reilly that only can loosely be called and interview, seemed like an awkward attempt to convince us that we should revolt now and not allow three more years of Obama, or something like that. Just seemed pretty strange.
 
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