The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[johname]

I thought the Secret Service shot people that attacked the president.

Reminds me of microguy planking on a big guy.

Now people are giving his restaurant bad reviews on yelp. Because he is hugging someone that perceived as not being supportive to small business.

But I think hes hugging him because he thinks the camera crews will order a footlong.

 

[GILSAN]

I thought the Secret Service shot people that attacked the president.

Reminds me of microguy planking on a big guy.

Now people are giving his restaurant bad reviews on yelp. Because he is hugging someone that perceived as not being supportive to small business.

But I think hes hugging him because he thinks the camera crews will order a footlong.

The guy said on the interview that he's a Republican who voted for Obama in 2008 and will again vote for the "Empty Chair" in November. From the picture it sure looks like he's got a hard-on for Obummer :O

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Are you talking about that 1 isolated incident? When you use an exception to make an argument, you never had a good argument in the first place.

That isolated incident just happened to have been filmed. I wonder how many other isolated incidents where not captured on camera.

Like Raider Girl asks: Why are the Democrats fighting tooth and nail against Voter ID? What do they fear? Why do they want felons and ex-cons to vote? I certainly know why

 

[JB Lions]

"That isolated incident just happened to have been filmed. I wonder how many other isolated incidents where not captured on camera."

haha, right, because phones today don't have cameras on them. Everything gets filmed today.

"Why are the Democrats fighting tooth and nail against Voter ID? What do they fear? Why do they want felons and ex-cons to vote? I certainly know why"

Went over that some. The scant evidence of voter fraud. Let's reverse it, in regards to the Texas Voter ID law. What do the Republicans fear? Students voting? You know the ones with id with pictures on it. But NRA ID without picture, ok with that. Even RaiderGirl wasn't ok with that.

 

[GILSAN]

haha, right, because phones today don't have cameras on them. Everything gets filmed today.

Everything? If that were true then most bankers and politicians would probably be behind bars, which would be the best thing that could happen to most countries except for Iceland (they've done that already) :tu:

 

[RaiderGirl]

Did you miss the link I posted above?

Not at all, I tend to shy away from reading articles from one of the most liberal newspapers in the Country, It was interesting they had the integrity and honesty to write; "Most of those charged have been Democrats"

The article noted;

"no evidence of any organized effort"

Were not talking about "organized", were talking about individual voter fraud as I noted in the example of absentee voting, You cant tell me it doesn't exist, Absentee ballot fraud has always been a problem, especially in swing states like Florida. Spouses voting for other spouses, parents voting for their children, Relatives voting for the dead, Felons voting because their too stupid to know they cant, the list is endless.

Great, so we agree on that, that the Texas Voter ID law had some issues. You don't think NRA members lean to the Right?

The law was blocked by an upper court was it not?, And as a former NRA member and shooter, I would agree that most NRA members are conservative. Really no different than members of the ACLU or Environmental groups leaning Liberal.

I don't agree with every law Republicans pass and I don't agree with everything they do, When they do something boneheaded like they did with TARP and the Stimulus, I spoke out against it... I hope this clears it up.

 

[JB Lions]

Were not talking about "organized", were talking about individual voter fraud as I noted in the example of absentee voting, You cant tell me it doesn't exist, Absentee ballot fraud has always been a problem, especially in swing states like Florida. Spouses voting for other spouses, parents voting for their children, Relatives voting for the dead, Felons voting because their too stupid to know they cant, the list is endless.

Yes, and above you're talking about it as if it favors Democrats somehow and mentioning Obama, and when I Googled it, this was the first result:

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-b...ntee-ballot-fraud-centered-nursing-homes-alfs

Where this fraud actually helped out the Republican. Fraud knows no boundaries.

 

[GILSAN]

BREAKING NEWS about voter fraud. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. They caught a big Democrat fish. I do a Google search for "voter fraud" and look what I came up with on top of page 1. :lol:

No Such Thing As Voter Fraud? What About Democrat Wendy Rosen of Maryland?

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/49426


Maryland Democrat quits congressional race amid vote fraud allegations
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-b2af-1f7d12fe907a_blog.html?tid=pm_local_pop

Actually when you really think about it, the "God" and Jerusalem" fiasco at the DNC that transformed a very noisy NEY into a 2/3 majority AYE was no more no less than a massive voter fraud witnessed by a world wide audience.

 

[JB Lions]

Deep investigative reporting, 1 vote. And then the DNC voice vote as an example of voter fraud, lol. I don't think any us are naive enough to think there isn't some of that out there.

 

[Theo Goodman]

Both parties use voter fraud.
Shocking!

The ammount of the budget that is used for food stamps is extreme, right?

Where do all of these numbers come from? Its so easy to come up with this or that number. Again, it seems that racism is a constuct and does not exsit anymore, is that the point?
Really?

However if I wanted to get elected, get votes, it would be easy to play to their fears, these fears -might- maybe- could- perhaps be somewhat racist, so all I need to do is poke around there to rally the troops, and Ive got them. A vote is a vote, KKK, "redneck" or "college educated liberal"
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, hell a fraudulant absentie ballat is a vote, who cares, I want to get power, to get power you need to flex power, that is reality,

breaking the rules is part of it, please, both parties do it,

that is one of the main parts of the game.
Get elected, get caught as little as possible for anything illegal. Do anything to win. That is reality, people that run for president for a "cause" or because they belive in "God" or whatver is BS, its all about Power and Money and not much else.
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The link to the comedycentral video shows a video that MOCKS Liberals, also SHOCKING, huh?
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Think hard, what was the last really famous islamic terrorist that the USA OPENLY supported in the past, hint, what day is it today.

Why did they do that?
Proxy war

Similar to Syria.

Except Russia and China support Syria´s multicultural, secular goverment and the USA-NATO and Monarchies like Saudi Arabia, Qutar, and UAE support the imported Islamic "freedom" fighters that want to install an Islamic state. Not the first time the USA has supported such mercenaries.

Among other things Gadafi wanted to use gold as currency, this would have spelled big trouble for some of the world.

 

[RaiderGirl]

Both parties use voter fraud.

Yes, but the fact that Democrats have been caught and convicted far more than Repubs to a very large degree, is a good indicator that Democrats are doing it the most.

The link to the comedycentral video shows a video that MOCKS Liberals, also SHOCKING, huh?

Why would it be shocking? it's comedy.

I think the point your missing is that posting links to Comedy, Blogs and downright biased sources like MSNBC are NOT credible sources of information, They hurt your argument rather than help it.

 

[Theo Goodman]

I dont think you saw the comedy in the "shocking"
comment. I have not used such sites as a of source for argument. It shows people at the DNC acting sterotypicly liberal.

Where are the numbers that democrats have been "caught and convicted far more" ? What kind of indicator is that if it in fact true? That democrats do it more , or just that they have been caught more(which does not mean they they do it more per se).

Basicly the arugment is this:
Lesson is that no matter what illegal, corupt, lie, fraud, or other "unamerican" thing the republicans have done the democrats have done it more, this is just the "truth". Any website or print media that would hint otherwise is a tool of the so called liberal media. The conservitve media only reports the truth, that democrats are bad and evil... and commies.

Both parties are corupt and use illegal methods to get power. If they did not then they would not be running. But they have God in the platform and wear jeans so all is ok.

 

[JB Lions]

"Yes, but the fact that Democrats have been caught and convicted far more than Repubs to a very large degree, is a good indicator that Democrats are doing it the most."

Of course, you wouldn't have any actual stats to back that up.

Alas:
Chance of winning
Obama - 79.8
Romney - 20.2
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/author/nate-silver/

Chance of winning
Obama - 61.1
Romney - 38.9
http://www.intrade.com/v4/home/


All Obama
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

Romney campaign already started crying about the polls. So we're going to have crying from here on out about polls/media. And then a butt whipping coming up, every time there is a debate. The question right now really is, not if Obama is going to win, but is it going to be a bigger win than Bush.

2016, get it together. For Republicans, who would you say is looking good for 2016? Anybody new, somebody coming up, who's on the radar?

Somebody posted this in the Intrade thread, written in 2009:

"The Republican Party has become many bad things—intolerant, inert, fly-blown, incoherent, and delusional—but the worst is that the GOP is no longer young. The GOP, according to a Gallup poll, has lost, forgotten, ignored, just generally scared off the younger voters, non-white voters, and female voters in all demographics.

What is a political party that is vastly white, middle-aged, male, Southern, pious, conservative, aggrieved, impotent, nostalgic, rude—and regarded negatively by more than half the respondents? Time magazine’s Republican political consultant Mike Murphy looks at the demographics and warns of a coming “ice age” for the party. That is grossly optimistic... The GOP is the equivalent of a shrinking third party on its way to becoming a museum piece beside the Whigs, the Greenbacks, and the Prohibitionists. The GOP is like a zombie cartoon reading the daily headlines of the last four years and asking, “Am I dead?”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2009/06/14/attack-of-the-zombie-republicans.html

Written by a lifelong Republican. Seems to be on point to me, what I touched on earlier.

 

[GILSAN]

Both parties use voter fraud.
Shocking!

The ammount of the budget that is used for food stamps is extreme, right?

Where do all of these numbers come from? Its so easy to come up with this or that number. Again, it seems that racism is a constuct and does not exsit anymore, is that the point?
Really?

However if I wanted to get elected, get votes, it would be easy to play to their fears, these fears -might- maybe- could- perhaps be somewhat racist, so all I need to do is poke around there to rally the troops, and Ive got them. A vote is a vote, KKK, "redneck" or "college educated liberal"
.
, hell a fraudulant absentie ballat is a vote, who cares, I want to get power, to get power you need to flex power, that is reality,

breaking the rules is part of it, please, both parties do it,

that is one of the main parts of the game.
Get elected, get caught as little as possible for anything illegal. Do anything to win. That is reality, people that run for president for a "cause" or because they belive in "God" or whatver is BS, its all about Power and Money and not much else.

According to the NYTimes (a liberal newspaper) there are a little over 11 million illegal immigrants in the US.
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/i/immigration-and-emigration/index.html
A very high % of those illegals are of Hispanic background. Since we all know that about 2/3 of Hispanics will vote for the Democrats for obvious reasons, the temptation to get these illegals to vote illegaly is easy to see and its also obvious that the Democrats are after these votes, by hook or by crook. Of course the Liberal Media will try to keep it quiet if they can help it. Don't want to give the Republicans any advantage now, do we?

Think hard, what was the last really famous islamic terrorist that the USA OPENLY supported in the past, hint, what day is it today.

Why did they do that?
Proxy war

Similar to Syria.

Except Russia and China support Syria´s multicultural, secular goverment and the USA-NATO and Monarchies like Saudi Arabia, Qutar, and UAE support the imported Islamic "freedom" fighters that want to install an Islamic state. Not the first time the USA has supported such mercenaries.

Ask Obama why he is supporting the "Islamic "freedom" fighters that want to install an Islamic state." that you mention.

Obama also supports the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, doesn't he?

BTW, could someone explain to me why the hell Obama would send out this message to the Arab Forum, on a day like today, September 11th 2012.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/photos-an...ent-obama-s-message-arab-forum-asset-recovery

The Muslims don't give a shit about Obama. Why even today they sent him a clear message of what they think. From the US embassies in Cairo and later in Tripoli as well.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/12/w...-stirs-protest-at-us-embassy-in-cairo.html?hp

 

[JB Lions]

According to the NYTimes (a liberal newspaper) there are a little over 11 million illegal immigrants in the US.
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/i/immigration-and-emigration/index.html
A very high % of those illegals are of Hispanic background. Since we all know that about 2/3 of Hispanics will vote for the Democrats for obvious reasons, the temptation to get these illegals to vote illegaly is easy to see.

Right, because if you're here illegally, one of the things you want to do is vote in a Federal election, c'mon now, haha. I know if I was in some country illegally, I would want to keep it low key. This whole fear/control way of doing things, is dying with the party.

 

[GILSAN]

"The Republican Party has become many bad things—intolerant, inert, fly-blown, incoherent, and delusional—but the worst is that the GOP is no longer young. The GOP, according to a Gallup poll, has lost, forgotten, ignored, just generally scared off the younger voters, non-white voters, and female voters in all demographics.

What is a political party that is vastly white, middle-aged, male, Southern, pious, conservative, aggrieved, impotent, nostalgic, rude—and regarded negatively by more than half the respondents? Time magazine’s Republican political consultant Mike Murphy looks at the demographics and warns of a coming “ice age” for the party. That is grossly optimistic... The GOP is the equivalent of a shrinking third party on its way to becoming a museum piece beside the Whigs, the Greenbacks, and the Prohibitionists. The GOP is like a zombie cartoon reading the daily headlines of the last four years and asking, “Am I dead?”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2009/06/14/attack-of-the-zombie-republicans.html

Written by a lifelong Republican. Seems to be on point to me, what I touched on earlier.

That article is from Jan 2009!!! Those middle aged Republicans are now older and wiser, just like many Liberals will become when they grow up. Liberals kind of remind me of teenagers. They always know more than the grownups.... until they grow up! :o

The US is so divided between these two parties that perhaps the best thing to do is to divide into two separate independent States; The Red State and the Blue State.

You really seem so sure of yourself that this is going to be a walkover for Obama. Well it won't be a surprise if the Democrats win, since they have 90% of the MSM and Hollywood kissing the "Empty Chairs" ass, but lets wait for the debates.

As long as the Moderators don't ask dumb questions and instead focus on what people are really worried about, then Obummer, without his teleprompter, will get his ass whipped.... easily.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqzozejWuug&feature=related"]1/26/10 Obama even needs teleprompter to address sixth grade class - YouTube[/ame]

:D :D :D

 

[JB Lions]

so we're going to have crying from here on out about polls/media.

well it won't be a surprise if the democrats win, since they have 90% of the msm and hollywood kissing the "empty chairs" ass, but lets wait for the debates.

..

 

[Theo Goodman]

Guess what, if Rmoney wins he will do the same thing in Syria and with all other wars that the US is involved in now. Big difference.

 

[GILSAN]

Guess what, if Rmoney wins he will do the same thing in Syria and with all other wars that the US is involved in now. Big difference.

True. Republicans and Democrats are not too different when it comes to being involved in a war somewhere in the world. They've been doing that practically non-stop since the Korean War in the 50's. The US can only handle 2 wars at once otherwise the army gets too stretched. All these wars help the US Military test their latest toys.

Today's tragic and senseless death of the American Ambassador and another 3 Americans in Lybia is like a big slap in the face to Obama who's been cozying up to the Muslim Brotherhood and other Islamic leaders, while almost treating Israel like a dog. Never trust Arab Governments. They'll stab you in the back in the blink of an eye.

As I'm writing this I'm watching protesters throwing stones and burning cars outside the US Embassy in Cairo, while the police just look on.

Syria is a complicated country to get involved in.

 

[JB Lions]

True. Republicans and Democrats are not too different when it comes to being involved in a war somewhere in the world. They've been doing that practically non-stop since the Korean War in the 50's. The US can only handle 2 wars at once otherwise the army gets too stretched. All these wars help the US Military test their latest toys.

Today's tragic and senseless death of the American Ambassador and another 3 Americans in Lybia is like a big slap in the face to Obama who's been cozying up to the Muslim Brotherhood and other Islamic leaders, while almost treating Israel like a dog. Never trust Arab Governments. They'll stab you in the back in the blink of an eye.

As I'm writing this I'm watching protesters throwing stones and burning cars outside the US Embassy in Cairo, while the police just look on.

Syria is a complicated country to get involved in.

"Obama sympathizes with attackers in Egypt. Sad and pathetic. "
https://twitter.com/Reince/statuses/245733811747422208

From Reince Priebus - Chairman, Republican National Committee, what a f'up

Romney
"I also believe the administration was wrong to stand by a statement sympathizing with those who had breached our embassy in Egypt, instead of condemning their actions."

Oh boy, this is pathetic.

I posted this yesterday:

Chance of winning
Obama - 61.1 one day later 63.9
Romney - 38.9 one day later 36.7
http://www.intrade.com/v4/home/

I don't know, you think using somebody's death to gain (attempt to gain) politically is a smart move? Calling the President basically a terrorist sympathizer. Or do you come out looking like a douche bag and further lose votes?

Oh, you know that statement that was first released? It was before the violence started.

"For example, AP points out that Romney lied when he claimed that the US embassy issued their statement after the attacks - it was hours before, that's why the statement didn't condemn the violence. There hadn't been any violence yet."
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...T_CHECK?SECTION=HOME&SITE=AP&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

That's going to come back and bite Romney.

This is a better one, FactCheck.org on this:

Romney Gets It Backward

http://factcheck.org/2012/09/romney-gets-it-backward/

 

[verbster]

Never trust Arab Governments. They'll stab you in the back in the blink of an eye.

This is a pretty extreme statement. It's like blaming the actions of a violent protest by any extreme faction in any country on the govenment, but look closer at the reason for the protest (even if it was a pretext for many who participated). It goes to show how extreme people get in the name of religion, especially where the religion woven into the fabric of government.