The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[GILSAN]

Guy Verhofstadt... the biggest scumbag, POS, sewer rat in the EU Parliament

And Nigel Farage... my favorite EU Parlamentarian. Pity he is no longer in Brussels to give them hell.

 

[JB Lions]

Kate has it right. What's wrong with people? Guns are not the problem. An evil person will find a way, a home made bomb, truck, car, worse?

Secularization of everything, mocking religion and moral behavior, identity politics, grievance culture opening the door for marxist organizations, nationalist to further divide people.

You can make an intelligent argument for requiring registration of semi-automatic rifles like hand guns but that would not have stopped an insane / evil person.

Just my opinion.

Again, goes back to what was talked about earlier. We're not the only nation that is secular.

It's very simple, usually 2 components. Mental illness + easy access to guns.

Simply go thru the different mass shootings and hold up those 2 components to each one.

Mental illness - Mentally ok people don't do mass shootings, only 2 results for that person. Death or prison.

Easy access to guns. Anybody dispute that? Take this recent case. Too young to buy a beer. Too young to buy a handgun. Could buy an AR-15. This one is a simple fix, bump the age to 21. If that was in place, maybe this shooting would not have happened. It seems like this is one we might actually all/most agree on? It you have to be 21 to buy a handgun, it should be 21 to buy something like an AR.

 

[JB Lions]

Federal Grand Jury In Special Counsel Probe Indicts Russian Agency And Individuals For 2016 Election Meddling

"A federal grand jury in the District of Columbia returned an indictment on Feb. 16, 2018, against 13 Russian nationals and three Russian entities accused of violating U.S. criminal laws in order to interfere with U.S. elections and political processes."

https://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidn...-individuals?utm_term=.haplZGZlw4#.kqxbVlVbAr

 

[JB Lions]

Remember the earlier video I posted twice, with the Republican Homeland Security Chairman admitting on air that the RNC was hacked as well. Next day he tried to take it back. Video posted again below. And then me wondering, if both the DNC and RNC were hacked, how come only DNC was leaked:

In Leaked Chats, WikiLeaks Discusses Preference for GOP Over Clinton, Russia, Trolling, and Feminists They Don’t Like

https://theintercept.com/2018/02/14/julian-assange-wikileaks-election-clinton-trump/

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White House refuses to release photo of Trump signing bill to weaken gun law

"A little over a month after his inauguration, on Feb. 28, 2017, President Trump signed HJ Resolution 40, a bill that made it easier for people with mental illness to obtain guns. CBS News then asked the White House to release the photograph of Mr. Trump signing the bill, making the request a total of 12 times."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...-bill-to-weaken-gun-law/ar-BBJbCVM?li=BBnb7Kz

 

[Kate]

And in the meantime 45 is still in denial, prefers to subscribe to conspiracy theories and garbage from breitbart. Putin is a good guy, Russia is our friend.
I would be really pissed if I were a US civil servant, say an ambassador trying to mend ties with foreign nations while 45 is burning bridges and undermining its own country, or working in the intelligence community. There are people who work hard to produce intel for the executive, sometimes at great personal risk. And they realize they are working for a man who disregards their work. Believe me, morale is low at places where the boss despises his own employees.

 

[mr-x]

Again, goes back to what was talked about earlier. We're not the only nation that is secular.

Small countries, like those in EU are having problems b/c they are no longer homogeneous populations. Not saying it's good or bad but there are now competing cultures.

Japan, low murder rate but culture shuns outsiders, promotes conformity.

We've never been a secular or homogeneous nation. We've always respected rule of law and rights of citizens. No nation is perfect but we are the first democratic republic.

Our morals, traditions are under attack. The left finds no value in morality that limits their own selfish desires. From making Catholic nuns pay for birth-control and abortions to demanding men who won't date transsexuals are somehow bigoted.

Politicians have spent the last decade pitting groups of people against each other in the name of tolerance. Universities have gone from encouraging independent thought and action to enforcing victim culture.

It's very simple, usually 2 components. Mental illness + easy access to guns.

Wrong. Terrorist in Boston didn't use guns. La, etc. Private guns are all but banned in EU, hasn't stopped attacks. Just different weapons.

Simply go thru the different mass shootings and hold up those 2 components to each one.

Mental illness - Mentally ok people don't do mass shootings, only 2 results for that person. Death or prison.

Not sure how to do this without breaking constitutional rights. Terrorist commit mass murder for political reasons.

Easy access to guns. Anybody dispute that? Take this recent case. Too young to buy a beer. Too young to buy a handgun. Could buy an AR-15. This one is a simple fix, bump the age to 21. If that was in place, maybe this shooting would not have happened. It seems like this is one we might actually all/most agree on? It you have to be 21 to buy a handgun, it should be 21 to buy something like an AR.

I would support expanding hand-gun purchase requirements to all semi-automatic weapons.

San Bernadino, Florida, Army recruiting center.. Taking guns won't solve the problem. Didn't work in the UK or anywhere in EU.

Boston bomber didn't need guns to kill people.

 

[JB Lions]

Again, you're mixing up topics. I'm talking about mass shootings. Will bold your comments.

"Small countries, like those in EU are having problems b/c they are no longer homogeneous populations. Not saying it's good or bad but there are now completing cultures.

Japan, low murder rate but culture shuns outsiders, promotes conformity."

You're talking about other problems here.

'Our morals, traditions are under attack. The left finds no value in morality that limits their own selfish desires."

Who's President? You guys really can't talk about moral topics. We've gone over his moral issues to death. Probably the most immoral President we've ever had. You had like, what, 17 candidates to choose from? Just yesterday I posted a link to this article - Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Says He Paid Stormy Daniels Out of His Own Pocket - Now compare that to your "selfish desires" comment. This is a man who put is own selfish desires ahead of his family. Now his wife and son/children have to see these paying off porn stars news stories.

"Terrorist in Boston didn't use guns."

If he didn't use guns, then it can't be a mass shooting. Again, mixing up topics. And this "It's very simple, usually 2 components. Mental illness + easy access to guns." Isn't wrong. This recent case is both.

"Taking guns won't solve the problem."

In this case, if the age was 21, it might have.

Again, the topic is -
Mass shootings in the United States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States

Not a lot of the other stuff you're posting about, not stuff like Japan culture issues.

Wanted to add, looks like we have more of Trump messing around:
Former Playboy model claims she had an affair with Trump, report says
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...aims-she-had-affair-trump-report-says-n848601

 

[Kate]

What about about the new normal in Europe. Vehicle barriers are needed or ban rental vehicles from Terrorists.

Terrorism in Europe is nothing new, there was more terrorism (often left-wing inspired) in past decades, during the 70s, 80s - but not only. People have short memories. What's new is the hysteria and overreaction. The odds that you will be personally hit by a terrorist attack are lower than dying in an elevator. On the other hand millions of people globally are dying from pollution too. Strangely, the US is now the sole bastion of climate denial, so don't count on the current administration to act on that.

In the US domestic terrorism is nothing new either, not to mention the countless and almost daily occurrences of shootings that are not labeled as such, but they kill the same right. In fact those shootings kill 100 times more than so-called Islamic terrorism. Again, wrong sense of priorities.

 

[JB Lions]

Let me add to that this fear of refugees.

"Refugees undergo the “highest degree” of screening of any traveler to the U.S., according to the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services. That screening process takes 18 months to two years and includes fingerprinting and checking records against databases maintained by the National Counterterrorism Center, the Pentagon, the FBI and Interpol"

"Not a single refugee, Syrian or otherwise, has been implicated in a terrorist attack since the Refugee Act of 1980 set up systematic procedures for accepting refugees into the United States, the report adds."

“No one in the U.S. has been killed in a terrorist incident by a resettled refugee” since 9/11, Newland told us in an email for this story."

"As we also have reported, the U.S. has accepted more than 3 million refugees since 1975, but few of them attempted terrorist attacks on U.S. soil. A 2016 report by the libertarian Cato Institute called “Terrorism and Immigration” identified 154 foreign-born people, including 20 refugees, who were convicted of carrying out or attempting to carry out a terrorist attack in the U.S. over a 40-year period, from 1975 to 2015.

Three refugees were responsible for three terrorism-related deaths — all in the 1970s, according to the Cato report."

https://www.factcheck.org/2017/03/refugees-and-terrorism-investigations/

http://www.politifact.com/californi...oull-be-killed-terror-attack-america-refugee/

 

[GILSAN]

Every family of the 17 victims is suffering in different ways, from the actions of that Bastard. One mothers revolt in particular seems to have struck a nerve, with a lot of people... Hope it touches everyone else... I sympathize with her anger.
Mom of Florida Shooting Victim Tells Trump 'Do Something!' on CNN...

 

[GILSAN]

Briton arrested on terrorism charges… because he fought against ISIS

https://www.rt.com/uk/419035-isis-terror-airport-james/

Silly man, picked the wrong side to fight for. If he had fought for ISIS, he would have been welcomed with open arms by the UK Authorities, just like hundreds of others have been so far...

 

[mr-x]

Canada would have paid him.

Briton arrested on terrorism charges… because he fought against ISIS

https://www.rt.com/uk/419035-isis-terror-airport-james/

Silly man, picked the wrong side to fight for. If he had fought for ISIS, he would have been welcomed with open arms by the UK Authorities, just like hundreds of others have been so far...

 

[mr-x]

Clarence Thomas Decries Victimhood Culture in Rare Public Remarks
http://dailysignal.com/2018/02/16/clarence-thomas-decries-victimhood-culture-in-rare-public-remarks/

Justice Clarence Thomas decried the contemporary culture of victimhood during remarks Thursday, telling an audience at the Library of Congress that constant aggrievement would exhaust the country.

“His favorite quote was, ‘Old Man Can’t is dead. I helped bury him,’” Thomas said.

 

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[offthehandle]

Strangely, the US is now the sole bastion of climate denial, so don't count on the current administration to act on that.

I don't know about that. If you recall India and China seemed to have delayed their compliance with that Paris agreement- I am not going to dig into it, but as I recall they had some 10+ years if I recall. The issue really isn't denial, it's who pays the bills and how it effects economic activity. American workers are tired of subsidizing the entire world, just like the NATO deal- Merkel/Germany is hypocritical and it's strong economy is a deadbeat on NATO payments, and what about the back payments. I read somewhere that Greece of all countries- who has had a really tough time is up to date. Kinda ironic isn't it?

Also Brazil and Russia are polluters.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...ccb494-16e4-4d47-a881-c5bd0922c3db_story.html

 

[offthehandle]

Terrorism in Europe is nothing new,

I realize that, and I also hate to remember seeing this as a kid, it was kind of like the first incident overseas where I saw something like this happen.

http://time.com/24489/munich-massacre-1972-olympics-photos/

 

[offthehandle]

Japan, low murder rate but culture shuns outsiders, promotes conformity.

Japan is the only country I have been in where as a "gaijin"** I was asked to leave from sitting in a bar with a friend (who patronized the place daily for a year) before I visited him. We were requested by the owner to leave and give up chairs to Japanese people. That was a first and last time. No where else. Yet, it's probably one of the few "honest" countries you could lose your wallet and some random stranger would immediately run and pick it up, and deliver it to you. That happened to me also. Strange. Also, no graffiti in the trains. Not a scratch, crushed velvet seats. Unbelievable.

**(I will post it just in case others don't know the word)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaijin

 

[GILSAN]

 

[JB Lions]

Mueller names social media accounts in indictment — here are the tweets
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mueller-names-social-media-accounts-in-indictment-—-here-are-the-tweets/ar-BBJeqx7?li=BBnb7Kz

I know this account, I saw it all the time during the election. Had over 140,000 followers. Whenever something was going on, this account was always at the top. It was a Russian troll account all along.

 

[offthehandle]

And Nigel Farage... my favorite EU Parlamentarian. Pity he is no longer in Brussels to give them hell.

I have never seen Farage in action, only seen his name a few times. Great succinct speaker saying what nobody else has los huevos para decir.

 

[offthehandle]

http://girlsguidetoguns.com/2011/04/01/guest-post-how-to-build-an-ar-15/

 

[Kate]

The issue really isn't denial, it's who pays the bills and how it effects economic activity.

Money will not save you. We cannot buy a second planet. We are already paying the price for destroying the environment actually.
Pollution: killing millions of people every year, causing health problems including cancer (= expensive care).
Not-so-natural disasters: climate change is also causing or amplifying desertification, drought, and various extreme phenomenons. Such as floods. Like those personally experienced by @Eric Lyon.
Climate change is already displacing populations and the trend is going up. This is what I call denial. More or more refugees are now climate refugees. The US too is exposed a lot to consequences of climate change.
It's not even about the future generations (to whom we could pass the buck). We are already suffering.
The economy has to adjust to the environment. Not the other way round, not happening.

 

[GILSAN]

I have never seen Farage in action, only seen his name a few times. Great succinct speaker saying what nobody else has los huevos para decir.

Couldn't have described him in a better way...

The best of Nigel Farage in the European Parliament...

I sure miss watching him rip into all those "Payasos" in the EU Parliament