The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[enlytend]

No it doesn't. That's an American vanity. People can distinguish between politicians and people.

Do people in the rest of the world realize this or is it their impression that he speaks for us all?

It’s one thing to speak like that among your buddies, it’s another to speak that way in front of an audience that includes the people you’re speaking about. Then it’s rude, unseemly, inconsiderate and uncalled for. Especially from anyone in a leadership position.
Not to mention, divisive and detrimental to future discourse

 

[mr-x]

Liberals will be twisting their selves into pretzels to spin NK / SK.

 

[johname]

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[enlytend]

Liberals will be twisting their selves into pretzels to spin NK / SK.

Nothing to spin. They adopted a declaration of working together for peace between the two countries, and denuclearization. On paper, it looks wonderful.

I hope all this comes to pass, but I’ll believe it when it happens. Historically the north has made lots of promises when things aren’t going well for them militarily and reverted to old ways when they are. Their test mountain collapsed, setting back their nuclear program, so easy for them to promise denuclearization now.

But it would be great if KJU has seen the errrors of past ways and finally seeks peace.

Only “spin” would be if the president of the US tries to take credit for it.

 

[DNWon]

Only “spin” would be if the president of the US tries to take credit for it.

As expected and not surprising, you have all your bases covered here! No matter what happens you will refuse to give credit where credit is due! It must be tough, going through life being so jaded and dishonest with yourself!

President Donald Trump should be awarded Nobel Peace Prize, South Korean leader says

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ace-prize-south-korean-leader-moon/564183002/

 

[Kate]

Kim. will. not. give. away. his. nuclear. weapons. Nukes are his insurance policy.
We have seen it before, remember the Sunshine policy of the 2000s and the countless ups and downs in the North-South relationship.
Kim is looking for one-way concessions, and he already got one (45 legitimized his regime by agreeing to meet with him, something that all past presidents have refused to do. At best they would send high-level representatives or retired presidents).

 

[mr-x]

China. will. not. let. him. keep. them.

Kim. will. not. give. away. his. nuclear. weapons. Nukes are his insurance policy.
We have seen it before, remember the Sunshine policy of the 2000s and the countless ups and downs in the North-South relationship.
Kim is looking for one-way concessions, and he already got one (45 legitimized his regime by agreeing to meet with him, something that all past presidents have refused to do. At best they would send high-level representatives or retired presidents).

 

[mr-x]

@DNWon

As she spins the story.

Only “spin” would be if the president of the US tries to take credit for it.

 

[Kate]

China. will. not. let. him. keep. them.

It's much more complicated than that. NK is an embarrassing neighbor for sure. But it also has a useful purpose as a scarecrow.
China is the only country that has some leverage on NK, and it something that they are keen to exploit.

China is not so much interested in regime change, for a number of reasons. First it could mean a sudden, uncontrolled flux of refugees as soon as the gates open. Possible reunification in the long term is also unpalatable for China, if American troops are to remain on Korean soil. Then American forces would be at their border.
All countries have different goals and priorities, while alleviating tensions may sound like common sense and mutually beneficial, realpolitik works under a completely different set of rules.

 

[mr-x]

Clinton's coming will be campaigning for Republicans again this year.

https://www.axios.com/hillary-bill-...witter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic

 

[mr-x]

It's much more complicated than that. NK is an embarrassing neighbor for sure. But it also has a useful purpose as a scarecrow.
China is the only country that has some leverage on NK, and it something that they are keen to exploit.

China is not so much interested in regime change, for a number of reasons. First it could mean a sudden, uncontrolled flux of refugees as soon as the gates open. Possible reunification in the long term is also unpalatable for China, if American troops are to remain on Korean soil. Then American forces would be at their border.
All countries have different goals and priorities, while alleviating tensions may sound like common sense and mutually beneficial, realpolitik works under a completely different set of rules.

I don't think we'll see a regime change but negotiations are all but over for NK.

The last threat Kim made was to "test" a real nuke over the pacific. That would have dire consequences for a half dozen nations. That was the last straw. Now It's give up the nukes or get out.

I'm pretty sure Jinping doesn't want a man made disaster on his border that could kill millions of people and destroy precious farm land. So will keep pressure on Kim.

NK wouldn't last five minutes under a full attack by USA, SK and Japan. China would have to sit it out or risk an economic collapse.

Just my opinion.

 

[mr-x]

The moment NK lost all leverage negotiating with the USA and Japan.

http://www.businessinsider.com/nort...-literally-threat-to-nuke-the-pacific-2017-10

 

[mr-x]

@DNWon, have you seen this?

http://thefederalist.com/2018/04/27/house-intel-report-james-clapper-lied-dossier-leaks-cnn/

 

[enlytend]

@DNWon

As she spins the story.

If you think I am “spinning the story”, then please tell us in detail exactly what role he has played in the talks between north and South Korea and the resulting Panmunjom Declaration. He wasn’t there, the US had no representative there, he has yet to meet with KJU.

Relations may have begun to thaw at or even before the olympics, where the two countries had a united team and their representatives seemed cordial to each other. While Pence sat right above (behind?) Kim Yo Jong and didn’t speak a word to her, and pointedly didn’t applaud the Korean athletes.

Sanctions were a push in the right direction, but sanctions by China had more direct influence.

If, as reported, the mountain where they’ve been testing has collapsed or is imminent dange of collapsing, that is the most logical explanation for them backing off any outward display of their nuclear program... for now. As Kate said, those nukes are still their insurance policy.

Even if there’s peace between the countries, people from them won’t be freely associating - NK has too much invested in decades of propaganda to let any free ideas mess up “a good thing.”

 

[mr-x]

If you think I am “spinning the story”, then please tell us in detail exactly what role he has played in the talks between north and South Korea and the resulting Panmunjom Declaration. He wasn’t there, the US had no representative there, he has yet to meet with KJU.

LOL.

Relations may have begun to thaw at or even before the olympics, where the two countries had a united team and their representatives seemed cordial to each other. While Pence sat right above (behind?) Kim Yo Jong and didn’t speak a word to her, and pointedly didn’t applaud the Korean athletes.

If, as reported, the mountain where they’ve been testing has collapsed or is imminent dange of collapsing, that is the most logical explanation for them backing off any outward display of their nuclear program... for now. As Kate said, those nukes are still their insurance policy.

Even if there’s peace between the countries, people from them won’t be freely associating - NK has too much invested in decades of propaganda to let any free ideas mess up “a good thing.”

Last month you were talking about how stupid President Trump was for agreeing to meet with Kim.

 

[DNWon]

have you seen this?

I read about that a few days ago, and watched Comey lie his ass off in interview after interview last week about how his leaked classified Presidential notes, were like a personal diary even though he was talking to the President in an official capacity, working for the FBI and left a copy of those notes with the FBI as well. That's some diary there Jim! It's a such a shitshow of a fabricated witch hunt, it's hard to imagine he won't be charged with something!

 

[DNWon]

If you think I am “spinning the story”, then please tell us in detail exactly what role he has played in the talks between north and South Korea

So the President of South Korea saying President Trump deserves a Nobel Peace prize means nothing to you? Is it impossible for you to put your Trump hate aside for just one minute? It's blinding you and making you look very silly!

 

[DNWon]

He wasn’t there, the US had no representative there

Pompeo was just there! Holy cow, take your head out that sand pile please!

 

[DNWon]

Nigerian President Buhari: Trump deserves credit on potential denuclearization of North Korea.

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2018/04/...t-on-potential-denuclearization-in-korea.html

@enlytend: "No he doesn't!"

 

[DNWon]

Whiners Take All?