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Hey everyone,
Here's my first attempt at a helpful article for us NP'ers: Domain Apprasial. If this isn't in the right section, please move it ;)

Article: How to better help a domain owner determine a domain's value


Many appraisers on NamePros simply post "Low to mid $xx" or "Low $xx IMO" or "High $xxx" without stating a reason for his/her valuation. In this thread, I hope to better the NamePros appraisal forum by providing suggestions for how appraisers can better assist the owner of a domain determine the value of his/her name in several different situations. To start off, let's look at the different types of major extensions in the most common order of what they're worth.

.com is the commercial extension. Typically, .com domains are worth the most.
.net used to be a "network" extension; however, it fits forums well and is used when the .com version of a domain isn't available.
.org is the most 'restricited' of the top 3 TLD's. By 'restricted', I mean that many .org names aren't worth much at all unless they are obviously useable for a nonprofit organization. Recently, however, with many other TLD's being taken, the value of a good .org has increased.
.biz is the business extension. Although not widely used, some businesses do have .biz domains. A commercial keyword ending with .biz can be quite valuble.
.us means .United States. Domains that would be usable to a United States reseller aiming its products at the U.S. market can be worth a good amount in .us.
.info domains are an intereted batch. .info domains can be registered for under $3; additionally, a premium .info domain is typically worth less than a premium .com or .net. There are exceptions; some buyers do indeed value .info's over other domains because of factors such as universality.

When appraising a domain, be sure to keep the following factors in mind: keyword frequency, length of the name, extension and relevancy of the extension.
Keyword frequency in search can be determined using the Google AdWords Keyword Tool. The more searches conducted on a particular keyword or set of keywords, the more valuble that keyword or set of keywords is as a domain name.
Length of the domain name is another important factor; users have an easier time remembering shorter names. In addition, longer domains may recieve less traffic than competitors because users simply don't want to type in computerdiscussions.com when they could go to pctalk.com, which is (let's pretend, at least) of similar or equal quality.
Relevancy of the extension is the most important factor in appraising a domain name. For example, EuropeanUnion.us does not fit its extension in that the EU is not a United States body. Another example: buycars.org may try to be a commercial site. However, since .org is typically used for non-profit groups, the site may not have much success.

Remember to keep all of the factors in mind when appraising a domain. Also, say more than "Mid $xx". Tell the owner what he/she needs to know to develop a sense of the domain's value.

~ Also include what you would pay ~

Recently, many appraisals here at NP have been based around what the appraiser thinks the value of the domain name is to a another reseller and to an end user. That's good, but it may not be all that helpful to the owner of the domain being appraised. Why?

The real value of a domain is what it sells for.
If you think that someone else may pay $250 (low $xxx) for a domain, but you're a frequent domain buyer and you're only willing to pay $25, then you should state that in the post. Tell the owner what you would pay, even if it's only $5. Here's why: if 5-15 appraisers are only willing to pay $5, the domain is likely worth $5 in the reseller market.

Example: if your domain recieves 10 appraisals, and 8 people say that it's only worth $10 because they aren't looking to develop a website around such a topic, then it gives the owner a good idea of what the domain is actually worth to domain resellers.

However, if the two remaining appraisers would pay $xxx because they plan to develop a website around that topic or may be interested in or capable of doing so, then the owner has an idea of approximately what percentage of the domain/website development market his or her domain name is marketable to.

Summary: in addition to reseller & development value estimations, tell the owner of a domain what you personally would pay for the domain, no matter how low, because a domain is only worth what it sells for.

~ Example: ~

Sports.us is the domain being appraised. You'd go to Overture and find that many people searched for "sports". You realize that sports are played in the United States, so the extension is relevant. The domain is short and sweet, adding to its value. Also, there are tons of results on Google for "sports". So you'd say:

"Since 'sports' had X searches this January on Overture and since it's very short and memorable, I'd say you could sell it for [price] to an end user and [price] to a domain investor. The extension doesn't hurt if you can find a user with a sports site targeting the United States market."

~ Example #2: ~

MarketForums.net is the domain being appraised (using this one b/c I own it). I'm the appraiser. I go to Overture and find high results for 'market' and 'forums', but not 'market forums'. On Google, however, there are surprisingly many results for "market forums", probably meaning that there's a large interest in the subject. So, search results are OK for this domain. The extension would be better in .com; however, .net does not bring the value down too much considering that many .net is often used for forums.

For an international market forum, this domain is good. To a developer wanting to start up a United States stock market forum, however, MarketForums.us may be better. To a domain investor, MarketForums.net would be the pick over MarketForums.us.

~ Example #3: Country Code Extensions ~

Beaches.sc (also mine) is the domain up for appraisal. On first sight, you might say "Registration fee; the extension hurts it." However, upon using your friend Google to research the .sc extension, you find that the ext. was created for the Seychelles, a beautiful French archipelago and a great tourist/vacation destination. In your appraisal, you should include that because the U.S. market for tourism to French lands is down at the moment because we're munching on freedom fries, beaches.sc could be used as .South Carolina.

Overture tells you that there are hundreds of thousands of results for beaches in South Carolina like Myrtle Beach. Enlighten the domain owner to the fact that with a good amount of development as a South Carolina beach information site, beaches.sc is an excellent keyword domain and would be worth [price]. However, to a domain investor, .sc may mean "source" (like whois.sc); "beaches source" makes no sense and wouldn't be worth much at all.

~ Example #4: 3-Letter Domains ~
When your appraise three-letter domains, take two main things into consideration: if the letters mean anything or are an acronym and the quality of the extension. FYI.co.in is likely worth more that QYX.com because FYI means "For Your Information", whereas QYX does not have a widely known meaning. 3-letter domains (LLL - Letter Letter Letter) are typically more valuble than LNL (Letter Number Letter) or NNL or NLN names because they're easier to pronounce.

~ Helping the domain owner: ~

Tell the person who posted the domain all of this info, including what market(s) the domain would be most valuble in and why. It helps him/her get a better feel for the value of the domain in different situations with different buyers. You should also get a feel for the value of certain extensions and for whether the market is "bull" or "bear". To keep up with the market, frequent sites such at DNJournal.com and the NamePros sales forums to see how much names are going for.

If you enjoyed my article and think other NP'ers could benefit from it, please send some $NP this way so I can sticky the thread.

Happy appraising! B-)
 
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Added example #4: appraising three-letter domains. It's rather brief, but should give readers a good idea on a 3-letter (not character) domain's value. Feedback on this example is appreciated :)

Thanks.
 
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skyraider said:
Added example #4: appraising three-letter domains. It's rather brief, but should give readers a good idea on a 3-letter (not character) domain's value. Feedback on this example is appreciated :)

Right on target with example #4.

Check the paragraph right after your new addition. I believe it belongs with the .SC-related paragraph in example #3.
 
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Fixed that; thanks.
 
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Great idea Ron :tu:

Was just waiting for you to input this thread ;)
 
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The mods must feel like they are banging their heads sometimes.

This is the latest type of "appraisal"-

" Reg fee

View Appraisal Methods and Profile for "name of appraiser" "

Some members are using the new system to continue to say nothing. And do they get NP's for this?

Still a good forum, keep up the good work.
 
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wot said:
The mods must feel like they are banging their heads sometimes.

This is the latest type of "appraisal"-

" Reg fee

View Appraisal Methods and Profile for "name of appraiser" "

Some members are using the new system to continue to say nothing. And do they get NP's for this?

Still a good forum, keep up the good work.

Yep; unforunately, the appraisal methods chart didn't help all that much. Reasons need to be posted.

@ RJ: What would you think about modifying the appraisals forum to include additional fields in replies such as "What would you pay for it?" and "What kind of website would bring in lots of $$ with this name?". These could be like the "Title" field, and would be displayed automatically inside the reply.

There's also a lot of "Low $xx, more if devved. Low $xx, more if devved. Low $xx..." etc.

I have an idea. See my thread here.

EDIT: Updated my post with the "appraise for what you're willing to pay" method.
 
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Apparently it has not eliminated up all instances of junk appraisals, but in my observations the new Q&A requirement has improved overall quality quite a bit. If I come across appraisals like the one wot mentioned and that user's other appraisals are along the same line (short or spamlike w/o explanation) then it only takes me a couple of clicks to unapprove them to earn NP$ for appraisals. I can't be everywhere though, so drop me a name if you see something you would consider appraisal spamming.

I posted a "Newbies Guide to Appraisals" at http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=82655 that describes some good methods of offering constructive opinions even for those without extensive backgrounds in valuating names. I'm trying to give everyone a shot to earn NP$ for appraisal posts, regardless of experience.

Thanks for the input,

RJ
 
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I did the Q&As maybe a week ago, but I don't think they were accepted. Does that mean they were declined?
 
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I have now, offenders take note, or not as they tend to do :hehe:


Originally Posted by JeffFair enough ... please continue to add those thoughts and comments to the referenced post's "Domain Discussion" thread:
http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=79784&page=3

... rather than commentary on same within every one of your "Appraisals Forum" threads, IMHO. The process can be discussed - and ways to improve upon it - in this fashion, rather than singling out / taking exception with individual appraisers here in the threads. I hope you can understand where I'm coming from in this regard.

Appreciates.
-Jeff



No probs- but at least this way notice gets taken, because obviously the individuals are not referriing to the correct thread
 
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OK now I give up, this followed the last post!

low xx$ IMHO



View Appraisal Methods and Profile for Petter
 
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help.ๅคงๅฎถๅธฎๆˆ‘่ฏ„ไผฐไธ‹่ฟ™ไธชๅŸŸๅ - on the appraisals thread

The absolute classic for spam appraisals, value or not I am pretty well sure that most of the "appraisers" have absolutely no idea what they are talking about and still they insist on "reg fee" etc and get their NP's.

Nobody else seems to care so carry on regardless. :cy:
 
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wot said:
help.ๅคงๅฎถๅธฎๆˆ‘่ฏ„ไผฐไธ‹่ฟ™ไธชๅŸŸๅ - on the appraisals thread...

Heh...that's some funny stuff. I guess there's still some work to be done before the junk appraisals get eliminated. Maybe the only solution is to remove the ability to earn NP$ in the appraisal forum. Oh well.

AmCy
 
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Wot, more people care than you think, but in my opinion....

On a forum this size, with this percentage of youngsters (both in age, and time in the business), realistically there is only so much that can be done. No matter how hard you try, you can't teach 'experience'. They have to live it & learn it. Many of these guys are very young, and each learns at their own pace. From what I've seen, most of them are trying to do the right thing. Like anything, a few bad apples can spoil the bunch.

Plus, for me personally, it helps to keep my sanity on the subject by reminding myself that the best appraisal in the world, from the most experienced domainer on the planet - can't buy me a cup of coffee. That helps keep things in perspective on the whole 'appraisal' issue to begin with.

Appraisals are opinions. You can't force opinions on people. You can only try to change them thru education.

I just don't think it's a beast that can be fully tamed. It's the nature of appraisals to be 'wild'.

:)
 
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www.AmCy.org said:
Heh...that's some funny stuff. I guess there's still some work to be done before the junk appraisals get eliminated. Maybe the only solution is to remove the ability to earn NP$ in the appraisal forum. Oh well.

AmCy

That may work.

One example of careless appraising (IMO): "OhioValley.com - hmm - low $xx" < actually happened.
 
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Thanks for the excellent post, great job! (Now I know what I'm doing :D )
 
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MalinRepair said:
Thanks for the excellent post, great job! (Now I know what I'm doing :D )

Glad to be of service ;)
 
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Thats funny, I always thought the appraisal section was free, Any idea why i dont recieve any Np$ for posting there?

Thanks
Spy
 
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spy69 said:
Thats funny, I always thought the appraisal section was free, Any idea why i dont recieve any Np$ for posting there?

Thanks
Spy
You need to complete your appraisal profile.
 
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Thanks
 
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so far one of the most well done articles I have ever read on this topic.

The internet has matured in the last few years and many definitions that were built only on theoretic basis are no longer valid anymore, at the same time a real market with its own evidencies it has been consolidated, is the case of the three letters domains that you have perfectly outlined in your article.
Before yahoo and google the only way to search was thru specific directories, from that comes that the most generic= the best, today this is not necesarely true anymore, just because google.
Also to consider that, at the beginning, the people who started the industry had the full control over any name and they retained all those names that had the higher market potential,million dollars where spent in marketing researches and projection just for that, and guess? They made a fortune .

Only few good names were left free, just to give the impression of a free opportunity for all, (the so called gold times).

The statistics shows that the most succesfull and widely used names are those from wich is easy to understand what the site is about.
For istance (not real, since I don't have data on hand for that) usedcar may worth more than car, at least for those who are especifically searching for used cars
(and assuming car only treat new cars) specialization is the keyword, niche market sites are proving a costant growth from years.

Considering exceptions is a great quality for professional appraiser , is the case of the hypens.
Approssimative appraisers just give a penality because an hypen but I have personally found cases where an hyphen is mandatory, unless to transform a name into a ridicolous or even obscene expression....with irreparable damage to the identity .

I am convinced that time to update the appraisal methodology has come, since actually it doesn't match the reality and the actual system tend to disappoint the operators, while give not a real advantage to the buyers too and definitively to the market, except just to those who sell such questionable services...


The job you have done it is in that sense a milestone.

(I am personally involved in a project to define a new appraisal method )

Complimets.
 
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