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Hey everyone,
Here's my first attempt at a helpful article for us NP'ers: Domain Apprasial. If this isn't in the right section, please move it ;)

Article: How to better help a domain owner determine a domain's value


Many appraisers on NamePros simply post "Low to mid $xx" or "Low $xx IMO" or "High $xxx" without stating a reason for his/her valuation. In this thread, I hope to better the NamePros appraisal forum by providing suggestions for how appraisers can better assist the owner of a domain determine the value of his/her name in several different situations. To start off, let's look at the different types of major extensions in the most common order of what they're worth.

.com is the commercial extension. Typically, .com domains are worth the most.
.net used to be a "network" extension; however, it fits forums well and is used when the .com version of a domain isn't available.
.org is the most 'restricited' of the top 3 TLD's. By 'restricted', I mean that many .org names aren't worth much at all unless they are obviously useable for a nonprofit organization. Recently, however, with many other TLD's being taken, the value of a good .org has increased.
.biz is the business extension. Although not widely used, some businesses do have .biz domains. A commercial keyword ending with .biz can be quite valuble.
.us means .United States. Domains that would be usable to a United States reseller aiming its products at the U.S. market can be worth a good amount in .us.
.info domains are an intereted batch. .info domains can be registered for under $3; additionally, a premium .info domain is typically worth less than a premium .com or .net. There are exceptions; some buyers do indeed value .info's over other domains because of factors such as universality.

When appraising a domain, be sure to keep the following factors in mind: keyword frequency, length of the name, extension and relevancy of the extension.
Keyword frequency in search can be determined using the Google AdWords Keyword Tool. The more searches conducted on a particular keyword or set of keywords, the more valuble that keyword or set of keywords is as a domain name.
Length of the domain name is another important factor; users have an easier time remembering shorter names. In addition, longer domains may recieve less traffic than competitors because users simply don't want to type in computerdiscussions.com when they could go to pctalk.com, which is (let's pretend, at least) of similar or equal quality.
Relevancy of the extension is the most important factor in appraising a domain name. For example, EuropeanUnion.us does not fit its extension in that the EU is not a United States body. Another example: buycars.org may try to be a commercial site. However, since .org is typically used for non-profit groups, the site may not have much success.

Remember to keep all of the factors in mind when appraising a domain. Also, say more than "Mid $xx". Tell the owner what he/she needs to know to develop a sense of the domain's value.

~ Also include what you would pay ~

Recently, many appraisals here at NP have been based around what the appraiser thinks the value of the domain name is to a another reseller and to an end user. That's good, but it may not be all that helpful to the owner of the domain being appraised. Why?

The real value of a domain is what it sells for.
If you think that someone else may pay $250 (low $xxx) for a domain, but you're a frequent domain buyer and you're only willing to pay $25, then you should state that in the post. Tell the owner what you would pay, even if it's only $5. Here's why: if 5-15 appraisers are only willing to pay $5, the domain is likely worth $5 in the reseller market.

Example: if your domain recieves 10 appraisals, and 8 people say that it's only worth $10 because they aren't looking to develop a website around such a topic, then it gives the owner a good idea of what the domain is actually worth to domain resellers.

However, if the two remaining appraisers would pay $xxx because they plan to develop a website around that topic or may be interested in or capable of doing so, then the owner has an idea of approximately what percentage of the domain/website development market his or her domain name is marketable to.

Summary: in addition to reseller & development value estimations, tell the owner of a domain what you personally would pay for the domain, no matter how low, because a domain is only worth what it sells for.

~ Example: ~

Sports.us is the domain being appraised. You'd go to Overture and find that many people searched for "sports". You realize that sports are played in the United States, so the extension is relevant. The domain is short and sweet, adding to its value. Also, there are tons of results on Google for "sports". So you'd say:

"Since 'sports' had X searches this January on Overture and since it's very short and memorable, I'd say you could sell it for [price] to an end user and [price] to a domain investor. The extension doesn't hurt if you can find a user with a sports site targeting the United States market."

~ Example #2: ~

MarketForums.net is the domain being appraised (using this one b/c I own it). I'm the appraiser. I go to Overture and find high results for 'market' and 'forums', but not 'market forums'. On Google, however, there are surprisingly many results for "market forums", probably meaning that there's a large interest in the subject. So, search results are OK for this domain. The extension would be better in .com; however, .net does not bring the value down too much considering that many .net is often used for forums.

For an international market forum, this domain is good. To a developer wanting to start up a United States stock market forum, however, MarketForums.us may be better. To a domain investor, MarketForums.net would be the pick over MarketForums.us.

~ Example #3: Country Code Extensions ~

Beaches.sc (also mine) is the domain up for appraisal. On first sight, you might say "Registration fee; the extension hurts it." However, upon using your friend Google to research the .sc extension, you find that the ext. was created for the Seychelles, a beautiful French archipelago and a great tourist/vacation destination. In your appraisal, you should include that because the U.S. market for tourism to French lands is down at the moment because we're munching on freedom fries, beaches.sc could be used as .South Carolina.

Overture tells you that there are hundreds of thousands of results for beaches in South Carolina like Myrtle Beach. Enlighten the domain owner to the fact that with a good amount of development as a South Carolina beach information site, beaches.sc is an excellent keyword domain and would be worth [price]. However, to a domain investor, .sc may mean "source" (like whois.sc); "beaches source" makes no sense and wouldn't be worth much at all.

~ Example #4: 3-Letter Domains ~
When your appraise three-letter domains, take two main things into consideration: if the letters mean anything or are an acronym and the quality of the extension. FYI.co.in is likely worth more that QYX.com because FYI means "For Your Information", whereas QYX does not have a widely known meaning. 3-letter domains (LLL - Letter Letter Letter) are typically more valuble than LNL (Letter Number Letter) or NNL or NLN names because they're easier to pronounce.

~ Helping the domain owner: ~

Tell the person who posted the domain all of this info, including what market(s) the domain would be most valuble in and why. It helps him/her get a better feel for the value of the domain in different situations with different buyers. You should also get a feel for the value of certain extensions and for whether the market is "bull" or "bear". To keep up with the market, frequent sites such at DNJournal.com and the NamePros sales forums to see how much names are going for.

If you enjoyed my article and think other NP'ers could benefit from it, please send some $NP this way so I can sticky the thread.

Happy appraising! B-)
 
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nice article i'm new at this and i appreciated the schooling..
 
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Really nice guide. Thanks a lot, bro!
 
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Very nice info thanks :D
 
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thanks for your sharing..
 
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Very nice..thanks :blink: :blink:
 
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Zeeble said:
there are really 2 main points that I would like to bring up regarding this:

1. info is more valuable than .biz as it is more widely used, and even more so than .us.

2. You cannot really (IMO) say that an extension is valuable (I know, ive just done it) because its the overall domain which makes the value.


Depends on the site. I think .info is more valuable on a informative blog or some kind of information source or news site. For a store or picture site or something similiar, then .us is more valuable then .info because .info looks silly on entertainment/commercial sites.
 
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thnx that was helpful
 
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Valuations at present are NONSENSE

Really? All this appraising by amateurs and even those who are not, is at the present time just a lot of nonsense.
People are entitled to their views and opinions. So nothing wrong with that. But to extend one persons opinions to a valid market appraisal is just rubbish.
Even if you were to survey a large number of people with a standard set of questions - after analysing and tabulating and manipulating their answers - you will still not be able to produce anywhere near a market valuation. (People in surveys from the general population are not the market unless they are buyers for the particular name).
In the Real World of Real Estate valuations most people live in a house or flat - but just because they live in a dwelling it certainly doesn't make them knowledgeable about property values. Real Estate agents often do not come close to valuing a property near market value - and at times even professional valuers can be way off. The housing meltdown in the US is sufficient proof of that.
The only true valuations can be from people with money in their hand wanting to buy - and then there may be a discrepancy between the Seller's valuation and the Buyer's valuation. According to the laws of supply and demand the market value will be somewhere between the sellers and the buyers price - and influenced by numerous factors - such as the number of buyers, other similar property on the market for sale, economic conditions, and things such as aesthetics and use value.
If a property can be used commercially then the revenue streams can be used to calculate present value using a discounted cash flow model ... how many domain valuations are made this way? Only a few isolated individuals appear to have even a clue what Discounted Cash Flow means let alone are able to calculate it.
Then when it comes to Aesthetics - value is in the eye of the beholder. This reminds me of when Blue Poles was purchased by the Australian Government and there was public outcry against the ridiculous price paid. Same again in respect of the Sydney Opera House. However, the market subsequently proved the critics to be wrong!

The same stories can be seen in placing values on houses, stocks and commodities.
If anyone is to take this industry Domaining seriously then Appraisals and Valuations need to be put on sounder footings and left to professionals - who need to get qualified and be able to prove their credentials. In the interim - just ignore what anyone says about your domain in terms of VALUE -and put it up for auction to see what the market really thinks. (Use a reserve or seller option in case you would rather keep the domain) :p
 
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As a newcomer to this site I found the article very informative. I will definitely use the tips. Good job and inform us more in your next.
 
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Did not really know where to post this but I feel it needs to be addressed. There seems to be many domains being appraised with a quick "Reg fee" or $0. I have seen this increase in frequency over the last month or so and, not to name names, it generally appears to be the same "appraisers" every time. I am not sure if the incentive of free $np's for appraisal's has anything to do with this but it may be a contributing factor. IMO If you are giving an appraisal GIVE an appraisal, one word answers of reg fee, $0 or low $xx with no explaination of why helps no one! Either you give an appraisal or don't! JMHO
 
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I agree with everything you said. I posted this in another thread yesterday.

I quit posting domains on the Appraisal Forum. I think they need a new section called "Educated Appraisals". I have found that people don't do any research before they post an appraisal.

I will generally do the research when I post an appraisal. I will see what extensions are taken, Word Tracker, PPC, Google Results, similar sales, etc.

It seems like people building post counts with "Reg Fee", or giving some ridiculous value for an average name.

Brad


Len said:
Did not really know where to post this but I feel it needs to be addressed. There seems to be many domains being appraised with a quick "Reg fee" or $0. I have seen this increase in frequency over the last month or so and, not to name names, it generally appears to be the same "appraisers" every time. I am not sure if the incentive of free $np's for appraisal's has anything to do with this but it may be a contributing factor. IMO If you are giving an appraisal GIVE an appraisal, one word answers of reg fee, $0 or low $xx with no explaination of why helps no one! Either you give an appraisal or don't! JMHO
 
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If there was such a split between nominal appraisals and 'advanced' appraisals, there would have to be some compensation for the ones doing advanced work and enough monitoring to make the board useful. I am more than happy to put the time into educating even the most newbie guy that comes in but it does take time and most people do not see a reward for their efforts.

Free appraisal boards like this are radically informative and useful. Not only do they bring new users to the forums but for every newbie who learns and understands the true value of the domains, we add a buyer and a seller of quality prouct to our list!
 
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Useful Article, Thanx
 
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"When appraising a domain, be sure to keep the following factors in mind: keyword frequency, length of the name, extension and relevancy of the extension.
Keyword frequency in search can be determined using the Overture search frequency tool. The more searches conducted on a particular keyword or set of keywords, the more valuble that keyword or set of keywords is as a domain name.
Length of the domain name is another important factor; users have an easier time remembering shorter names. In addition, longer domains may recieve less traffic than competitors because users simply don't want to type in computerdiscussions.com when they could go to pctalk.com, which is (let's pretend, at least) of similar or equal quality.
Relevancy of the extension is the most important factor in appraising a domain name. For example, EuropeanUnion.us does not fit its extension in that the EU is not a United States body. Another example: buycars"

Quite usefull advise!

"When appraising a domain, be sure to keep the following factors in mind: keyword frequency, length of the name, extension and relevancy of the extension.
Keyword frequency in search can be determined using the Overture search frequency tool. The more searches conducted on a particular keyword or set of keywords, the more valuble that keyword or set of keywords is as a domain name.
Length of the domain name is another important factor; users have an easier time remembering shorter names. In addition, longer domains may recieve less traffic than competitors because users simply don't want to type in computerdiscussions.com when they could go to pctalk.com, which is (let's pretend, at least) of similar or equal quality."

Quite usefull advise!
 
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hello everybody i'm new to this site i have some domains i would like assesed all are for sale and can be pushed to auction at sedo .
as i said i'm new at this and would appreciate advice
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ich.me german for "me"
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smithy.me smith very common surname
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4ani.me for animation
 
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Good article, Thanks
 
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RE : The Unofficial NP Domain Appraisal Guide

This article is very informative and its use and we get knowledge in this recession time.
 
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thanks no pros i trust
 
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I don't know if this has been posted in the thread already.

When someone appraises your domain name as "reg fee," that term is only a technicality, as it is out of necessity worth to you what you paid for it.

Usually what an evaluation of the value of your name as "reg fee" means is that you have a worthless domain (worth 0$) and you would be lucky if you could sell it back to someone for the amount you paid for it.
 
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