The .TEL Discussion Thread

[brendan52190]

Hi

For this, let's assume that .tel will not be a total flop.

What type of keywords will be most valuable for this extension? Will it be geographical keywords, like newyork.tel, losangeles.tel, etc, or what else?

 

[DubDubDubDot]

If you act as a relying party then you would still maintain full control over your userbase - the only thing you're outsourcing is the authentication part of the process. There are ways to mitigate the threat of phishing, e.g. some identity providers offer X509 client side certificates.

Anyway, the fact remains that eventually I hope to be able to delegate authority from my .tel to my identity provider.

Listen, even if someone comes up with a way to make open ID work nicely for everyone involved, it won't be through a paid service like .tel. There are only a few companies in the world who could implement it at no charge and use their massive userbase to draw people into the concept; Google, Microsoft, Yahoo and maybe AOL.

Open ID is over rated anyway. If people want to have the same user/pass at every site, then they can register with the same user/pass at every site..... which is never a good idea, even with an open ID. Someone steals that one ID and they've got access to everything. And client side certificates do not protect the high % of internet users who are dumb and will put their open ID into any site asking for it. Which is a huge hurdle for open ID's.

 

[plaggypig]

Listen, even if someone comes up with a way to make open ID work nicely for everyone involved, it won't be through a paid service like .tel. There are only a few companies in the world who could implement it at no charge and use their massive userbase to draw people into the concept; Google, Microsoft, Yahoo and maybe AOL.

All of the companies you mentioned are OpenID providers, and more and more of the services they provide are steadily becoming OpenID consumers.

Open ID is over rated anyway. If people want to have the same user/pass at every site, then they can register with the same user/pass at every site..... which is never a good idea, even with an open ID. Someone steals that one ID and they've got access to everything. And client side certificates do not protect the high % of internet users who are dumb and will put their open ID into any site asking for it. Which is a huge hurdle for open ID's.

Eh? X509 authentication happens on the client side. You aren't sharing your private key with anybody, indeed you can even idiot proof the whole thing and keep it confined within USB dongles. If you lose it, just revoke your certificate. There are also other kinds of crypto tokens you can use. I use OpenID wherever it's supported, and it makes my life much easier.

Anyway we're totally off-topic now. You don't know what you're talking about and simply enjoy arguing for the sake of it. I give up on you.

 

[jarrall]

My apologies if this is a repost, this thread is huge.
It looks like telnic has finally released a method to track stats of .tel domains.

https://telstats.nic.tel/

 

[kukgle]

My apologies if this is a repost, this thread is huge.
It looks like telnic has finally released a method to track stats of .tel domains.

https://telstats.nic.tel/

BIG GREAT NEWS!!

But really hard to use, wait to see the next step of statistics.

 

[steveteva]

Ladies and Gentlemen,
Dot tel monetization is now a real thing, forget about all guesses.
To all nasayers, I say dot tel are what you miss if you want to make some revenues.
Last night I've received an email from Benny Traub (Monetelize.com) and was one of the first to get the free download guide and a page link to a video explaining all possible ways to monetize a dot tel. WOW a new revolution! Fantastic job! You'll find all infos you need in this guide. The solution is now available. I highly recommend you subscribe free and download their guide:

Monetize .tel Domains

 

[Kate]

And I thought .biz was the snake oil extension

 

[hullswingerscom]

well our biz is now a dot tel and as you can see it goes very well with what we do.

http://cottingham.tv/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/not-just-phonescroped.jpg

we got lots work unlocking phones thanks to our new sign good google ranking as well

 

[tkstark]

way to go, hullswingerscom! that's great!

 

[DubDubDubDot]

well our biz is now a dot tel and as you can see it goes very well with what we do.

http://cottingham.tv/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/not-just-phonescroped.jpg

we got lots work unlocking phones thanks to our new sign good google ranking as well

What is the keyword you rank well for?

 

[jagdotme]

What is the keyword you rank well for?

Taking about keywords! Do you think london hoes is a well searched term??

Anyone??

I've read somewhere that there is a site that checks up keyword term anyone know any?

 

[steveteva]

I have a dot tel that rank high for all subdomains and it's a well search term locally so I can start a yellow page right away, sure businesses will add their listings as it's ranked on page 1 or 2 of google everytime event competing with famous websites. Hope that it's not going to change rank now.

 

[Undermoose]

Monetelize.com - I have to admit...

And I thought .biz was the snake oil extension

This service has my spidy sense tingling all over the place, danger danger danger! Mostly because of the financial model they explained to me pre-release, which was setup fee structure & maintenance fees! I'll allow you all to discover the pricing on your own (wear some garlic, I hear it wards off vampires).

The burden of operating costs as explained is firmly on the consumer. I'd prefer a model where they took a piece of the action.

In any event, I'm on the fence until they have a proven track record. The system sounds exactly like what the .Tel community wants, but trust me when I say Paradise lost is a forshadowing of this rainbow to riches. In my perspective for the sole reason of the setup/maintenance fee structure without a track record to justify it. Now if they flipped the model into a cost based on performance model, I'd say this was the best thing since sliced bread for .Tel. This may have happened, have a chat with them!

At the end of the day though, once there is a proven track record, all this is conjecture. In any cost model, if their track record justifies the expense then it's a win. I truly wish for much Monetelize.com success as this would be a boon to .Tel in general.

 

[plaggypig]

This service has my spidy sense tingling all over the place, danger danger danger! Mostly because of the financial model they explained to me pre-release, which was setup fee structure & maintenance fees! I'll allow you all to discover the pricing on your own (wear some garlic, I hear it wards off vampires).

Your spidey senses must have gone haywire that day. The fee structure is like that of most other domain extensions. You pay a registration fee and then an ongoing annual renewal fee, which varies from $8.99 - $20 depending upon your registrar. No maintenance or hosting costs whatsoever. Therefore .tel has a lower cost of ownership than a .com, for example.

 

[Undermoose]

Silicon Snakeoil

Your spidey senses must have gone haywire that day. The fee structure is like that of most other domain extensions. You pay a registration fee and then an ongoing annual renewal fee, which varies from $8.99 - $20 depending upon your registrar. No maintenance or hosting costs whatsoever. Therefore .tel has a lower cost of ownership than a .com, for example.

As I said, if the revenue justifies it, then it's a good deal. I'm waiting for results before investment.

This system seemed expensive setup and had monthly fees. What are typical setup fees from your experience?

 

[plaggypig]

As I said, if the revenue justifies it, then it's a good deal. I'm waiting for results before investment.

This system seemed expensive setup and had monthly fees. What are typical setup fees from your experience?

.tel domains cost as little as $8.95 per year (name.com). I pay $11.20 per year with my registrar.

 

[Undermoose]

I meant monetelize type service fees.

.tel domains cost as little as $8.95 per year (name.com). I pay $11.20 per year with my registrar.

I own many .tel, sorry I meant to be clear.

I was asking about comparitive service fees for services like Monetelize.com. Do you know what typical setup fees are?

 

[FrenchTel]

Monetelize? No thanks ...

Ladies and Gentlemen,
Dot tel monetization is now a real thing, forget about all guesses.
To all nasayers, I say dot tel are what you miss if you want to make some revenues.
Last night I've received an email from Benny Traub (Monetelize.com) and was one of the first to get the free download guide and a page link to a video explaining all possible ways to monetize a dot tel. WOW a new revolution! Fantastic job! You'll find all infos you need in this guide. The solution is now available. I highly recommend you subscribe free and download their guide:

Monetize .tel Domains

I am a strong .tel believer but find very difficult (OK, impossible) to trust a guy (Benny Straub) who titles himself “Chief Business Artist” (sounds like "Chief Business Scam Artist" to me), brags about multiple facilities around the world, is proud of the fact that he was worth $200 million at one time (or so he says), etc.

I read his "9 little-known secrets for monetizing your .tel domains" eBook and found nothing but a bunch of overused CPC and affiliation recipes spiced with an opportunistic pinch of .tel.

Be cautious .tel owners ...

 

[tkstark]

i agree with undermoose. wouldn't touch monetelize with a borrowed 10-foot stick even while wearing gloves.

 

[Undermoose]

Let's clarify that statement.

i agree with undermoose. wouldn't touch monetelize with a borrowed 10-foot stick even while wearing gloves.

I suggested caution because the fees seemed steep, especially with no proven track record. Any fee is worth it if it's profitable, but my gut tells me that the majority of domains that sign up for this service will be strugling to just break even (and probably never will).

I hope Monetelize.com proves my gut wrong. I'll be pounding at the door for sign up service.

They could fix the entire scenario without setup fees and monthly fees. They'd possibly be .tel hero's if they did.

 

[tkstark]

I suggested caution because the fees seemed steep, especially with no proven track record. Any fee is worth it if it's profitable, but my gut tells me that the majority of domains that sign up for this service will be strugling to just break even (and probably never will).

I hope Monetelize.com proves my gut wrong. I'll be pounding at the door for sign up service.

They could fix the entire scenario without setup fees and monthly fees. They'd possibly be .tel hero's if they did.

i'll clarify the agreement: ditto to the points you made then and now.

i chose to not look into the fees because i didn't trust the rhetoric...and at this point what else is there is to show? we're being asked to trust their monetization methods, but if they truly trust their own methods, why don't they take a percentage of the profits they generate rather than charging upfront?

i would have to see performance first.