The .TEL Discussion Thread

[brendan52190]

Hi

For this, let's assume that .tel will not be a total flop.

What type of keywords will be most valuable for this extension? Will it be geographical keywords, like newyork.tel, losangeles.tel, etc, or what else?

 

[Billy2009]

Sorry, I am a newbie. If someone accidentally pays so much money for something that turns out to be a trademark he has to drop the name? What does "drop the name mean"? Does the registry reverse the charges or can he seek reimbursement from the trademark owner after checking if the trademark owner wants the name? I thought Sunrise was for domain registrations. I am really confused about this.

 

[phase111]

Sorry, I am a newbie. If someone accidentally pays so much money for something that turns out to be a trademark he has to drop the name? What does "drop the name mean"? Does the registry reverse the charges or can he seek reimbursement from the trademark owner after checking if the trademark owner wants the name? I thought Sunrise was for domain registrations. I am really confused about this.

Yes, sunrise was specifically for trademark owners and landrush is for anyone to register names, however this doesnt mean it's a good idea to register trademarked names because they can be handed over to the trademark owner (forcibly taken) the cost of doing this (providing grounds to do so are clearcut) is a few hundred dollars (please correct me if Im wrong about the cost) but certainly worth doing if someone has stolen your trademark. In other words- DO NOT CYBER SQUAT TRADEMARK NAMES, it's not worth the hassle. The registrar, though arguably negligent is ultimately not responsable for what names clients register and so is very unlikely to refund, especially as a landrush acquired domain.

 

[Billy2009]

Yes, sunrise was specifically for trademark owners and landrush is for anyone to register names, however this doesnt mean it's a good idea to register trademarked names because they can be handed over to the trademark owner (forcibly taken) the cost of doing this (providing grounds to do so are clearcut) is a few hundred dollars (please correct me if Im wrong about the cost) but certainly worth doing if someone has stolen your trademark. In other words- DO NOT CYBER SQUAT TRADEMARK NAMES, it's not worth the hassle. The registrar, though arguably negligent is ultimately not responsable for what names clients register and so is very unlikely to refund, especially as a landrush acquired domain.

Isn't there quite a long process in reclaiming a trademark from the registrar? Surely, if a trademark owner wanted the name you accidentally (not knowing of trademark) registered you would be approached initially by the TM owner and then the registry? Who pays the $200?

 

[phase111]

Isn't there quite a long process in reclaiming a trademark from the registrar? Surely, if a trademark owner wanted the name you accidentally (not knowing of trademark) registered you would be approached initially by the TM owner and then the registry? Who pays the $200?

Hi, it's a few hundred dollars (around $800) not $200 for the basic process. The domain owner of the trademarked name, may be contacted by the trademark owner (or his lawyer) to release the name back to the trademark holder free of charge, or the trademark owner could also possibly sue his ass for damages for registering the name in bad faith as well as request the name be transferred. It's quite difficult to anticipate the outcome of a trademark cyber squatting case, which is why it's not worth doing in the first place- save yourself some headaches is what most domainers will tell you.

 

[Billy2009]

Thank you for your help. That gives me a much better idea. But what, for instance, happens if you have set up a legitimate www site running in a totally unrelated field with no reference to the trademarked company (you didn't know about trademark). Surely, this is not bad faith.

 

[h2o]

I saw Yahoo.tel available myself but anyone that is experienced knows not to register names that infringe on others property rights. I on the other hand registered some premium geo domains.

 

[Kate]

Thank you for your help. That gives me a much better idea. But what, for instance, happens if you have set up a legitimate www site running in a totally unrelated field with no reference to the trademarked company (you didn't know about trademark). Surely, this is not bad faith.

Seriously, names like mozilla are too well known and established. It's not worth trying to use them for any purpose.
I also very much doubt the registry will refund landrush purchases. These 3 names represent a total cost of $1K down the drain. Sorry, but when you invest you're supposed to do research. Lottery tickets would have yielded a better return

 

[Ms Domainer]

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You might be able to make a case for a real-word trademark, for example, "Apple." Even then, you had better not sell computers, phones, or music--or in any way monetize from the trademark itself.

On the other hand, "Mozilla" is a made-up word, developed specically for trademark purposes. Therefore, you have no rights to this word.

It's an expensive lesson, I'm afraid.

Not sure what you can do except talk to a lawyer who specializes in intellectual property cases.

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[Billy2009]

Seriously, names like mozilla are too well known and established. It's not worth trying to use them for any purpose.
I also very much doubt the registry will refund landrush purchases. These 3 names represent a total cost of $1K down the drain. Sorry, but when you invest you're supposed to do research. Lottery tickets would have yielded a better return

Um, those three names were not mine. It was another poster.

I saw Yahoo.tel available myself but anyone that is experienced knows not to register names that infringe on others property rights. I on the other hand registered some premium geo domains.

Yes, I saw this domain on ebay.com and he/she was asking USD 30,000. But it seems to have disappeared now.

 

[cobo]

Wow, I could not resist adding these gems to the bunch.
Can hardly believe they were still available!
I didn't want to risk missing out on these before March 24th so I topped off another credit card ... again! :o
ALERTS .TEL - 242,000,000 for "alerts"
CLICKS .TEL - 50,300,000 for "clicks"
DEBIT .TEL - 134,000,000 for "debit"
TAGS .TEL - 1,280,000,000 for "tags"
SEND .TEL - 1,700,000,000 for "send"

 

[uliss]

One guys register several .tel domain in the begining of landrush.

epassporte.tel
doubleclick.tel
mozilla.tel

Any opinions on this. I think he has consititute infringement of intelecture property rights of trade mark owner. How could he make some money from those domain name to cover his cost 300USD for each one?

Thanks to who move my post here, where it should be.

 

[chader144]

shouldnt we start seeing the registrar's API or pages to change your dot tel as it is late Feb and everything is suppose to be No later then March 6! (impatient)

I like alerts.tel... Nice find

(ps the highlight on the thread is gone again...)

 

[Sconzo]

I was delighted to see that onspec started a new thread ".tel biz models" to discuss what we'll actually DO with these domains, but can't find it anywhere. Did it not happen? It does seem that this thread has drifted away from its purpose. Or can we just re-focus this one, perhaps?

I plan a classified-ads sort of site, and hope to monetize it by way of advertiser-paid listings AND customer-paid elements like 900# throughput to the adult section(s) of the site. Just learned that American cell-phone operators won't process 900# calls, and they're a large part of the target audience. Apparently premium txts have to be used, but I don't know if/how they can be integrated into .tel protocol...

 

[cobo]

Yes, please let the community know where both of the ".tel biz models" and the previously mentioned "Showcase" threads are hiding.
They can't seem to be found anywhere.
Although I can understand why the showcase might want to wait until after the whois is in place.
And chader144, thanks for the "alerts" comment!
Got about 40 something names ... about half for future sales and half for my various business activities.
"Control the Niche!!!"
And Sconzo, good point on the 900# stuff.
I would think new PPC business models are certainly brewing regarding .TEL.

 

[chader144]

Yes, please let the community know where both of the ".tel biz models" and the previously mentioned "Showcase" threads are hiding.
They can't seem to be found anywhere.
Although I can understand why the showcase might want to wait until after the whois is in place.
.

It probably was merged again by the mod(s)... I had an orignial .tel showcase thread that for some reason was merged into this thread. (no explaination was given and they took away the hightlight that I had put on mine)

 

[lexisdomains]

Understanding Google Algorithm & .TEL

Understanding Google Algorithm & .TEL​

Do you understand how Google algorithm assigns value to .TEL domains & subdomains?

Well, there is certainly a difference in the way Google views these type domains. But this will, however, work to the advantage of .TEL domain owners who both understand & implement proper SEO strategy.


For instance, look at this example and tell me what differences you noticed in Google search results. In this example, we will use the following .TEL structure [keyword+.Yourdomain+.TEL]

1. (Cheap.Hotels.tel)
2. ( Cheap Hotels)
3. (Cheap.Hotels.com)

PS: please use the dots when typing in the phrases that cite them

How many search results did you see for each phrase?
How many advertiser sponsored links did you notice for each phrase?

Please post your response,

 

[cobo]

Nice Review:
http://www.whatpc.co.uk/computing/comment/2237298/joining-dots-successful-domain-4484957

lexisdomains, cool illustration, please elaborate more on your thoughts because you've made a good point here! (btw, repping you.)
Although I am now multi-tasking as usual, and didn't record the #'s, on the .TEL, I did not see ANY google ads at all.
Could it be that the .TEL tld is the "green" tld? With out all that clutter?
Yeah... dot TEL, the GREEN, ECO-FRIENDLY Domains! Simple, concise and consumer friendly!
Now there is a marketing approach to play with!

 

[onlinelife]

1. (Cheap.Hotels.tel)
2. ( Cheap Hotels)
3. (Cheap.Hotels.com)

PS: please use the dots when typing in the phrases that cite them
How many search results did you see for each phrase?
How many advertiser sponsored links did you notice for each phrase?
Please post your response,

Cheap Hotels
Results 36,900,000
Most result with most advertise!

Cheap.Hotels.tel
Did you mean: cheap-hotels.net Top 2 results shown
Results 5,960,000
Here shows 2 advertise!
Google is still blind on .Tel extension recolonization (until it go live next month)

Cheap.Hotels.com
Did you mean: cheaphotels.com
Results 86,600,000
Many results but only 1 advertise!

 

[lexisdomains]

Algorithm Update?

Cheap Hotels
Results 36,900,000
Most result with most advertise!

Cheap.Hotels.tel
Did you mean: cheap-hotels.net Top 2 results shown
Results 5,960,000
Here shows 2 advertise!
Google is still blind on .Tel extension recolonization (until it go live next month)

Cheap.Hotels.com
Did you mean: cheaphotels.com
Results 86,600,000
Many results but only 1 advertise!

Great point onlinelife. As it appears, however, current Google algorithm seems to favor .TEL with more search engine visibility and less competition.

Here were my results on my server:

Cheap Hotels - 36,300,000 results / about 281 advertisers / Bad- this means lots of competion.

Cheap.Hotels.com - 76,000,000 results / about 466 advertisers / Bad - "Lots of competition.

Cheap.Hotels.tel - 3,193,000 results / only about 10 advertisers / Great "no competition"
This scenario is good for our clients.

 

[virtualhunter]

Quick question for you guys:
What will be the different ways to monitor Traffic on a Dot TEL domain?
Thanks.