The .PRO Discussion

[InvisionTech]

It seems .PRO is slowly coming out of the cage with cheaper reg prices than they were a year ago and major registrars like netsol taking notice of the extension and promoting it.

Here are some that I picked up in last couple of days:

Alexandria.pro

Anchorage.pro

Arlington.pro

Belfast.pro

Birmingham.pro

Budapest.pro

Durham.pro

Fairfax.pro

Italian.pro

Lisbon.pro

Fire away with your regs after the relaunch on September 8th, 2008.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

I also asked NC to send my feedback to Afilias... they definitely should stop the usage of Spamhaus blacklists.
Those BLs are very unreliable... too many FALSE alarms.
And I don't know any other Registry (Verisign, Neustar, Donuts etc.) which relies on Spamhaus... For ~11.5 years I never had problems with NON-Afilias domains.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

Interesting handreg of 2015... and very probably - it was sold and details are unknown...

Domain Name: NUMBERS.PRO
Registry Domain ID: D107300000001414349-LRMS
Registrar WHOIS Server:
Registrar URL: http://www.cscglobal.com/digitalbrandservices
Updated Date: 2018-10-23T06:19:45Z
Creation Date: 2015-11-16T18:52:03Z
Registry Expiry Date: 2019-11-16T18:52:03Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date:
Registrar: CSC Corporate Domains, Inc.
Registrar IANA ID: 299
Registrar Abuse Contact Email:
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone:
Reseller:
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited https://icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited
Registrant Organization: Apple Inc.
Registrant State/Province: CA
Registrant Country: US
Name Server: NSERVER.APPLE.COM
Name Server: NSERVER2.APPLE.COM
Name Server: NSERVER3.APPLE.COM
Name Server: NSERVER4.APPLE.COM
DNSSEC: unsigned
URL of the ICANN Whois Inaccuracy Complaint Form is https://www.icann.org/wicf/
>>> Last update of WHOIS database: 2019-10-04T04:25:44Z <<<

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

If some LA endusers here, I listed it with BIN: https://sedo.com/search/details/?domain=losangeles.pro

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

It is almost impossible to see/find any .PRO domains @Sedo using their searchbox for just keywords (1 word)...
They rank .PROs at the bottom or even on next pages...
And even BIN doesn't help to be higher.

Chances to find - only if you search for the complete domain name like EXAMPLE.PRO

So for most scenarios - no any reasons to use their marketplace at all, just waste of time and money.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

It is almost impossible to see/find any .PRO domains @Sedo using their searchbox for just keywords (1 word)...
They rank .PROs at the bottom or even on next pages...
And even BIN doesn't help to be higher.

Chances to find - only if you search for the complete domain name like EXAMPLE.PRO

So for most scenarios - no any reasons to use their marketplace at all, just waste of time and money.

And that's why they report just few sales per year... Usually they were done via their escrow or if domain was parked there (inbound buyers).
Actually: ~0 enduser sales on their marketplace yearly.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

Live example for @Sedo
Enter BERLIN into your searchbox and try to find my .PRO (2006)

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

.PRO belongs to legacy gTLDs...
It was launched in 2004 after .info/.biz (2001) - so it must be ranked/displayed at least within the same group of gTLDs.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

@Reza
The information above is for your consideration as well.

And live example: https://dan.com/search?&terms=location&length=1-8&order_by=relevance&offset=10
.PRO at the bottom of 2nd page.

 

[DNGear]

My 2 fav extensions have been showing last
Pro
XYZ

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

Any changes on GoDaddy Auctions after 15+ years, .PRO is still not supported to be listed there?

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

I just rechecked Advanced Search at https://auctions.godaddy.com
Yes, no any changes, .PRO is absent there...

And looks that even their expired .PROs can't be found...
@Joe Styler So you drop/release them without auctions like gifts, right?

p.s. And I still don't understand: why another Afilias.info TLDs you allow, but only .PRO - disallowed.
Really strange... especially after 15+ years.

 

[DNGear]

.pro and .xyz as well. They are not going to pending deletes/auctions.

 

[Joe Styler]

We do not currently sell .pro on the auctions and have no immediate plans to do so.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

@jmcc
What is your current .PRO stats by registrars, how many domains they have?

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

We do not currently sell .pro on the auctions and have no immediate plans to do so.

Dynadot sells them a few years already in all modes: Marketplace + Expired auctions + Backorder auctions
Just FYI.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

@Dynadot
Payout method is still PayPal only?
If Yes - when wire transfer (SWIFT) will be added?

 

[jmcc]

@jmcc
What is your current .PRO stats by registrars, how many domains they have?

The June 2019 registry report is the latest:
https://www.icann.org/sites/default/files/mrr/pro/pro-transactions-201906-en.csv
(330,798 regs).

These are the top 5 countries by registrar from the May 2019 report:

US 37.45 %
Canada 18.42 %
France 11.72%
Russia 7.48%
China 6.69%

The 01 October 2019 zone file count is: 295,408

June 2019 Registrars and totals:
| Tucows Domains Inc. | 56202 |
| NameCheap, Inc. | 54261 |
| GoDaddy.com, LLC | 36050 |
| OVH sas | 27296 |
| Regional Network Information Center, JSC dba RU-CENTER | 24108 |
| Alibaba Cloud Computing Ltd. d/b/a HiChina (www.net.cn) | 16689 |
| Name.com, Inc. | 12059 |
| PDR Ltd. d/b/a PublicDomainRegistry.com | 9984 |
| Danesco Trading Ltd. | 8427 |
| Gandi SAS | 8056 |
| Dynadot, LLC | 6901 |
| Hosting Ukraine LLC | 6446 |
| Network Solutions, LLC | 5912 |
| Key-Systems GmbH | 5248 |
| EnCirca, Inc. | 4102 |
| GMO Internet, Inc. d/b/a Onamae.com | 3492 |
| 1&amp;1 IONOS SE | 3185 |
| NameSilo, LLC | 2757 |
| Chengdu West Dimension Digital Technology Co., Ltd. | 2427 |
| DomainPeople, Inc. | 2387 |
| Soluciones Corporativas IP, SL | 2285 |
| 101domain GRS Limited | 2078 |
| eNom, LLC | 2021 |
| Internet Domain Service BS Corp | 1496 |
| 1API GmbH | 1431 |
| EPAG Domainservices GmbH | 1309 |
| Hosting Concepts B.V. d/b/a Openprovider | 1132 |
| Mesh Digital Limited | 1121 |
| FBS Inc. | 1081 |
| united-domains AG | 951 |
| Ascio Technologies, Inc. Danmark - Filial af Ascio technologies, Inc. USA | 831 |
| Ligne Web Services SARL dba LWS | 778 |
| Realtime Register B.V. | 754 |
| OnlineNIC, Inc. | 686 |
| Gransy, s.r.o. | 672 |
| MarkMonitor Inc. | 662 |
| EuroDNS S.A. | 651 |
| Uniregistrar Corp | 640 |
| NETIM SARL | 620 |
| Porkbun LLC | 604 |
| PSI-USA, Inc. dba Domain Robot | 568 |
| Register SPA | 567 |
| CSL Computer Service Langenbach GmbH d/b/a joker.com | 554 |
| CSC Corporate Domains, Inc. | 547 |
| Xin Net Technology Corporation | 540 |
| Whois Networks Co., Ltd. | 530 |
| Xiamen ChinaSource Internet Service Co., Ltd | 514 |
| Wild West Domains, LLC | 488 |
| Shanghai Meicheng Technology Information Development Co., Ltd. | 467 |
| Instra Corporation Pty Ltd. | 453 |
| Dreamscape Networks International Pte Ltd | 444 |
| NordNet SA | 442 |
| URL Solutions, Inc. | 430 |
| 10dencehispahard, S.L. | 417 |
| CTS Computers and Telecommunications Systems DBA MAGIC ONLINE | 405 |
| Namebay SAM | 351 |
| Nameshield SAS | 318 |
| Dinahosting s.l. | 298 |
| Online SAS | 295 |
| Regtime Ltd. | 273 |
| Reliable Software | 205 |
| Ledl.net GmbH | 178 |
| Interlink Co., Ltd. | 168 |
| SafeBrands SAS | 166 |
| Jetpack Domains, Inc. | 160 |
| CloudFlare, Inc. | 130 |
| PlanetHoster Inc. | 118 |
| INWX GmbH & Co. KG | 118 |
| Nics Telekomunikasyon A.S. | 118 |
| Register.com, Inc. | 110 |
| Bizcn.com, Inc. | 108 |
| Afilias | 107 |
| Net 4 India Limited | 106 |
| ALIBABA.COM SINGAPORE E-COMMERCE PRIVATE LIMITED | 102 |
| NameWeb BVBA | 102 |
| pair Networks, Inc. d/b/a pair Domains | 96 |
| Marcaria.com International, Inc. | 93 |
| The Registrar Company B.V. | 92 |
| AB Name ISP | 85 |
| Metaregistrar BV | 84 |
| SafeNames Ltd. | 74 |
| Hosteur SARL | 73 |
| Register.ca Inc. | 72 |
| Paragon Internet Group Ltd t/a Paragon Names | 68 |
| http.net Internet GmbH | 66 |
| Nom-iq Ltd. dba COM LAUDE | 64 |
| Domeneshop AS dba domainnameshop.com | 63 |
| Larsen Data ApS | 59 |
| Net-Chinese Co., Ltd. | 57 |
| Epik Inc. | 55 |
| Secura GmbH | 51 |
| HANGANG Systems, Inc. dba Doregi.com | 44 |
| Dynadot10 LLC | 44 |
| GKG.NET, INC. | 41 |
| CPS-Datensysteme GmbH | 40 |
| Dynadot5 LLC | 39 |
| Chengdu Fly-Digital Technology Co., Ltd. | 38 |
| Click Registrar, LLC dba publicdomainregistry.com | 35 |
| CV. Rumahweb Indonesia | 35 |
| Dynadot4 LLC | 34 |
| Ports Group AB | 33 |
| Web Werks India Pvt. Ltd d/b/a ZenRegistry.com | 27 |
| Pheenix, Inc. | 26 |
| Webnames.ca Inc. | 25 |
| Dynadot9 LLC | 25 |
| 007Names, Inc. | 24 |
| Super Registry Ltd | 23 |
| Dynadot15 LLC | 23 |
| Dynadot12 LLC | 22 |
| Innovadeus Pvt. Ltd. | 22 |
| Arcanes Technologies | 21 |
| Dynadot11 LLC | 21 |
| Todaynic.com, Inc. | 21 |
| Variomedia AG | 18 |
| Zhengzhou Century Connect Electronic Technology Development Co., Ltd | 18 |
| Above.com Pty Ltd. | 16 |
| Global Domains International, Inc. DBA DomainCostClub.com | 13 |
| Dynadot7 LLC | 13 |
| Dynadot6 LLC | 13 |
| Dynadot8 LLC | 13 |
| Dynadot3 LLC | 13 |
| Easyspace Limited | 12 |
| Xiamen Nawang Technology Co., Ltd | 11 |
| Dynadot17 LLC | 10 |
| Dynadot14 LLC | 10 |
| Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd. | 9 |
| Dynadot13 LLC | 9 |
| Web4Africa Inc. | 8 |
| Entorno Digital, S.A. | 8 |
| Brandma.co Limited | 8 |
| Zhuimi Inc | 7 |
| Lexsynergy Limited | 7 |
| Own Identity, Inc. | 6 |
| Dynadot16 LLC | 6 |
| Dynadot0 LLC | 5 |
| Global Village GmbH | 5 |
| Domain-It!, Inc. | 5 |
| Beijing Guoxu Network Technology Co., Ltd. | 5 |
| BR domain Inc. dba namegear.co | 4 |
| Alldomains, LLC | 4 |
| Freeparking Domain Registrars, Inc. | 4 |
| French Connexion SARL dba Domaine.fr | 4 |
| Brandsight, Inc. | 4 |
| Dynadot2 LLC | 4 |
| Focus IP, Inc. dba AppDetex | 4 |
| Stichting Registrar of Last Resort Foundation | 3 |
| PSI-Japan, Inc. | 3 |
| Dynadot1 LLC | 2 |
| Nimzo 98, LLC | 2 |
| BB-Online UK Limited | 2 |
| NameCamp Limited | 1 |
| Paknic (Private) Limited | 1 |
| Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers | 1 |
| MAT BAO CORPORATION | 1 |
| COREhub, S.R.L. | 1 |
| Cronon AG | 1 |

Regards...jmcc

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

@Rob Monster
Just FYI... Epik is completely out of .PRO game... just XX domains according to the information above.

 

[Rob Monster]

@Rob Monster
Just FYI... Epik is completely out of .PRO game... just XX domains according to the information above.

If folks want to go big-time with .PRO, just tell @Sufyan Alani and we'll under-cut everyone on .PRO transfers and folks can go to down on .PRO on Epik. Bring us the volume and we'll cut you a deal.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

If folks want to go big-time with .PRO, just tell @Sufyan Alani and we'll under-cut everyone on .PRO transfers and folks can go to down on .PRO on Epik. Bring us the volume and we'll cut you a deal.

OK, thanks.
I will keep in mind regarding transfers.

But you should lower your registration fee definitely... even without our requests...
$2.99 with Dynadot and few times higher at Epik...