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It seems .PRO is slowly coming out of the cage with cheaper reg prices than they were a year ago and major registrars like netsol taking notice of the extension and promoting it. B-)

Here are some that I picked up in last couple of days:

Alexandria.pro

Anchorage.pro

Arlington.pro

Belfast.pro

Birmingham.pro

Budapest.pro

Durham.pro

Fairfax.pro

Italian.pro

Lisbon.pro

Fire away with your regs after the relaunch on September 8th, 2008.
 
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AfternicAfternic
Cats.net only sold for $7,000 @ SEDO auction in March 2009.

You should factor that in when pricing this as there is no comparison between .NET and .PRO as far as credibility goes.

Brad

Thanks for the sedo information. Cats.pro is the only name that I'm really pushing at the moment. I'm not going to sit on it and try to squeeze every last penny out of it. I'd rather put an attractive price on it and get a quick sale. I'll be sending out as many emails to cat businesses to advertise the sale and I might as well list it on Afternic, TDNAM and maybe DNJournal. Still, the $64,000 question is where to set the price. I don't want greed to get the best of me yet I don't want to come away from the sale feeling like an idiot. I do that a lot !!!

So that's my long-winded way of asking how much should I ask for Cats.pro. A few weeks ago a lot of PRO people said that they thought Cats was really the only domain that I should hold on to. So feel free to hit me with an offer if you feel like holding on to it.

And does DNJournal not allow bumps or am I just imagining things ??? They are a strange world to visit after hanging around here most of the time.

And thanks for your past, present and future input into my pro woes.

Charles
 
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I avoid setting prices on my domains on sedo as that limits you to buyers who want to spend that much and more.... if you leave it to make offer, then you have better chance of people making offers (often low balls) but still you get the idea if there is demand out there or no.
 
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You should factor that in when pricing this as there is no comparison between .NET and .PRO as far as credibility goes.

Very true. Some of the comparisons being made in this thread are ridiculous. IMO.
 
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This is the sort of end user you should market Cats.pro to;

The Veterinary Cat Clinic

You've got to go for a vet who specialises in cats rather than a cat breeder or enthusiast, the latter won't be eligible to register .pro.
 
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That is another problem with Cats.pro, and .PRO in general as it is.

From the start the potential field of end users is much smaller than other respected TLD's that don't have the restrictions.

Brad

You've got to go for a vet who specialises in cats rather than a cat breeder or enthusiast, the latter won't be eligible to register .pro.
 
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The prices ARE wildly all over the board as MicroGuy suggested. If you look at 2009 sales numbers from AKs site it's hard to draw conclusions about values. If eBooks.pro sold for $4500, then how much would Books.pro sell for and how might that compare to the value of Books.NET. From a seller's perspective, I could (and would rather) look at the value of Cats.com, currently up for auction with the bidding at over $8,000,000. That would lead me to believe that someone got a whale of a deal on Cats.net at $7000.

I used to work on antique furniture and people were constantly asking me what this or that was worth. But the value of things like antiques and domains has more than one component. Before I can begin to tell you the value of an antique I need to know where it is, who wants it, why do they want it, etc. In the end it's worth exactly what someone is willing to pay for it ... no more, no less.

One quick example. Three years ago my Mom was having chemo for ovarian cancer. She had this one little particular paring knife that she loved and mentioned how much she would like to have a few more of them. Thinking that she was going to be dead in a few months I would have paid almost anything for a set of those knives. I found the only set on earth on eBay and I set a proxy bid so high that I was guaranteed to win the auction. I ended up paying about $30 for four knives that were worth about four bucks ... to most people. But given the right set of circumstances those knives were worth much, much more than that. Same applies to almost anything ... even domains.

I appreciate all of the time and thought you guys put in to your answers. You've given me a lot to think about. And NOW that I have determined that my Pro portfolio ain't worth diddle (:~ ] ... if anyone would like to see the entire collection, drop me a PM.

I have to run now but Rep Points all around as soon as I can. Thanks much !!! Chas.

Switch.pro $2,000 Nov-09
Moda.pro $2,000 Oct-09
Arte.pro $3,000 Oct-09
Reality.pro $1,118 Oct-09
Link.pro $3,040 Oct-09
eBooks.pro $4,500 Oct-09
Antiques.pro $1,600 Oct-09
Antique.pro $1,600 Oct-09
eBook.pro $3,900 Oct-09
Game.pro $5,000 Sep-09
Guia.pro $500 Sep-09
Acrobat.pro $250 Aug-09
Moscow.pro $470 Jun-09c
Roulette.pro $1,500 Apr-09
Sauna.pro $1,350 Mar-09
Consultores.pro $3,500 Mar-09
Babysitting.pro $500 Jan-09
 
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I just noticed that MICROGUY has a new avatar !!! I like it !! You know you live just down the road from me, so to speak. I'm up in Raleigh, adjacent to the Research Triangle Park. Duke, UNC and NC State are all right here within a 30 mile diameter circle. They used to say we have more PhD's per square mile than any other "area" in the country. :lol: My best friend's father used to say I was a dropout because I didn't finish grad school. The most recent claim made by Newsweek or Time or ??? is that we are "The Smartest" area in the country.:lol: twice !!! I wonder if we got a plaque or a trophy or sumthin. I need to check on that.
 
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From the start the potential field of end users is much smaller than other respected TLD's that don't have the restrictions.Brad

Yes, but if the current restrictions were removed the number of people who would be eligible to register .pros would go up tenfold. Without the burden of restrictions, virtually every registry in the world that currently offers .com, .net, .org, .info and .biz would sign up to sell .pro. That would increase the potential domain registrants exposed to .pro tenfold because only 10% of registrars by volume offer .pro. The net impact of those two forces would be up to a one hundred fold rise in .pro registration, in terms of total registrations, a rise from 40,000 to maybe 4,000,000. No other gTLD has the potential to do that.

There are two factors that increase the likelihood of this happening;

1) No domain extension has stayed restricted forever. .com was restricted at one point, people shouldn't forget that. It's inevitable that .pro restrictions will be removed eventually.

2) RegistryPro is about to renegotiate it's contract with ICANN. It has lost money for 5 years and ICANN will feel obliged to level the playing field with the new gTLD's it is planning to launch. gTLD's are no longer a closed shop and registries will negotiate contracts accordingly. Lower ICANN fees and the removal of restrictions are the most likely outcome. .pro has already applied to lower its ICANN fees demonstrating its intent.
 
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That is another problem with Cats.pro, and .PRO in general as it is.

From the start the potential field of end users is much smaller than other respected TLD's that don't have the restrictions.

Brad

Yes, I agree.

There's a lot of buzz and excitement when new extensions are released because we all get to hand-reg those super-premium keywords that we've always wanted.

The problem is, end-users don't think of other extensions the way that we do. COM/NET/ORG/GOV/EDU, I want to see a poll of how many end users can even name extensions other than that.
 
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1) No domain extension has stayed restricted forever. .com was restricted at one point, people shouldn't forget that. It's inevitable that .pro restrictions will be removed eventually.
At the same time, they will be wiping out what made .pro 'different'. Granted, extensions that are full of restrictions have never been popular. Yet it becomes more difficult to justify the raison d'รชtre for .pro. It will become just another alternative extension along .biz.
Also .pro will have to face competition from a bunch of new extensions to be released soon. It's harder to stand out from the crowd as it gets denser.
Bad timing.
Things could be a tad different, had registrypro not procrastinated for years. I think the window of opportunity was 2002, not now or next year.
Today .pro stands as another 'developer' TLD, it's like when you see a nice keyword in .cc or .ws to set up a minisite, but you know you will have a hard time selling it.

Also, the fact that domainers may be holding a large portion of the extension is not a good sign. I actually wonder how many end users (non-domainers) register .pro every day.
 
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At the same time, they will be wiping out what made .pro 'different'.

"Different" meant hardly anybody regged it, hardly anybody had heard of it, the registry lost money, registrants were paying $99, you didn't have to be professionally qualified to register because Encirca had a Pro Forwarding service, and professional use restrictions were never enforced anyway, I'm thinking Babe.pro and Babes.pro.

Every step we taken away from this "differentness" has benefited everybody involved in .pro. Reg fees have come down 80%, more of an aftermarket has developed, more people are trying to catch .pros on Snapnames, 6 times as many .pros are registered, RegistryPro is closer to a business model that makes money, more people have heard about .pro, and more .pros are developed.

Granted, extensions that are full of restrictions have never been popular. Yet it becomes more difficult to justify the raison d'รชtre for .pro. It will become just another alternative extension along .biz.

Times have changed, there is no need to "justify" your existence as a gTLD by accepting a bum business model. ICANN are selling gTLD's to the highest bidders, the key is to have the most brandable and appealing extension for business, market it effectively, and grab market share.

Also .pro will have to face competition from a bunch of new extensions to be released soon. It's harder to stand out from the crowd as it gets denser.

Same argument applies to all non .com gTLD's. .pro will always be more aged than gTLD's to be released and will theoretically have an SEO advantage because of that. It's more brandable than the 2001 gTLD's that came before it like .info and .biz, and even though I have have invested $50,000 in .info, I think .pro will eventually usurp .biz and .info as the 4th most popular gTLD. If I was running RegistryPro, I can say with 100% certainty that it would.

Things could be a tad different, had registrypro not procrastinated for years. I think the window of opportunity was 2002, not now or next year.

RegistryPro hasn't procrastinated, to get the extension up and running it had to play the restrictions card. As a result of that it has been lumbered with a dud business model since launch in 2004. Lobbying ICANN to change contract terms takes time and money.

Today .pro stands as another 'developer' TLD, it's like when you see a nice keyword in .cc or .ws to set up a minisite, but you know you will have a hard time selling it.

The difference between .cc and .ws is that .pro is a gTLD and businesses brand themselves offline with the suffix Pro, that doesn't happen with cc or ws. .pro is potentially a rival for .com, .cc and .ws will never be a rival to .com because they don't say anything or add any value to the keyword. Whatever keyword you have, adding Pro to it make it sounds more credible and impressive. .pro is a sleeping giant held back by restriction, .cc and .ws will alway be minnows, a throwback to when any combination of letters satisfied domainer demand for keyword availability.

Also, the fact that domainers may be holding a large portion of the extension is not a good sign. I actually wonder how many end users (non-domainers) register .pro every day.

One of the biggest strengths of .pro is that premium keywords are tightly held by a handful of people. It makes everything that comes on to the market that bit more desirable, that's why if you look at the ten $1,000+ keyword sales in October, the thing that strikes you is that most of them aren't top keywords.

I disagree that restricting supply is not a "good sign". De Beers bought diamonds produced by other miners to reduce supply and push up prices. That didn't stop diamonds being used in jewellery. When OPEC fail to control the supply of oil, the oil price falls and everybody involved in the oil industry suffers. If the market for any domain extension is awash with premium keywords, it kills development and investment. People are more likely to build on a plot of land deemed to be desirable and less likely to graze goats on it.
 
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"Different" meant hardly anybody regged it, hardly anybody had heard of it, the registry lost money, registrants were paying $99, you didn't have to be professionally qualified to register because Encirca had a Pro Forwarding service, and professional use restrictions were never enforced anyway, I'm thinking Babe.pro and Babes.pro.

Every step we taken away from this "differentness" has benefited everybody involved in .pro. Reg fees have come down 80%, more of an aftermarket has developed, more people are trying to catch .pros on Snapnames, 6 times as many .pros are registered, RegistryPro is closer to a business model that makes money, more people have heard about .pro, and more .pros are developed.



Times have changed, there is no need to "justify" your existence as a gTLD by accepting a bum business model. ICANN are selling gTLD's to the highest bidders, the key is to have the most brandable and appealing extension for business, market it effectively, and grab market share.



Same argument applies to all non .com gTLD's. .pro will always be more aged than gTLD's to be released and will theoretically have an SEO advantage because of that. It's more brandable than the 2001 gTLD's that came before it like .info and .biz, and even though I have have invested $50,000 in .info, I think .pro will eventually usurp .biz and .info as the 4th most popular gTLD. If I was running RegistryPro, I can say with 100% certainty that it would.



RegistryPro hasn't procrastinated, to get the extension up and running it had to play the restrictions card. As a result of that it has been lumbered with a dud business model since launch in 2004. Lobbying ICANN to change contract terms takes time and money.



The difference between .cc and .ws is that .pro is a gTLD and businesses brand themselves offline with the suffix Pro, that doesn't happen with cc or ws. .pro is potentially a rival for .com, .cc and .ws will never be a rival to .com because they don't say anything or add any value to the keyword. Whatever keyword you have, adding Pro to it make it sounds more credible and impressive. .pro is a sleeping giant held back by restriction, .cc and .ws will alway be minnows, a throwback to when any combination of letters satisfied domainer demand for keyword availability.



One of the biggest strengths of .pro is that premium keywords are tightly held by a handful of people. It makes everything that comes on to the market that bit more desirable, that's why if you look at the ten $1,000+ keyword sales in October, the thing that strikes you is that most of them aren't top keywords.

I disagree that restricting supply is not a "good sign". De Beers bought diamonds produced by other miners to reduce supply and push up prices. That didn't stop diamonds being used in jewellery. When OPEC fail to control the supply of oil, the oil price falls and everybody involved in the oil industry suffers. If the market for any domain extension is awash with premium keywords, it kills development and investment. People are more likely to build on a plot of land deemed to be desirable and less likely to graze goats on it.

Great post, rep.
 
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Andrew,

Well said.

I stopped regging .PRO long time ago but in a rare occurrence today, I picked up Exhaust.pro (surprised it was still available?), keyword close to it, muffler.pro (although less search volumn and ppc) is already registered.
 
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I'm planning to do Total.pro's third .pro reg fee survey this weekend. If anybody has any opinions, or good or bad experiences with .pro registrars lately, please let me know.
 
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Encirca has been really good to me.

I don't know if you remember but i spent a bundle on renewing some names and they announced a promo the day after. I requested a price adjustment and they granted it, don't know of any other registrar who would have done that.

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Encirca has been really good to me.

I don't know if you remember but i spent a bundle on renewing some names and they announced a promo the day after. I requested a price adjustment and they granted it, don't know of any other registrar who would have done that.

:tu:

That was quite diplomatic for them to do. These kind of customer related gestures will get them far in life. I never personally had any problems with Encirca. The only thing I would suggest to them, is that they give their site a facelift; it's not the best looking site out there IMO. :hehe:
 
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