discuss The new dot everything showcase and discussion

[Keith]

Well it appears as though it's happening. The launch of .land, .bike, .this, and .that is here and many more to come.

Show off your new .whatevers here and discuss why these are or are not good investments. Keep it cool, calm, and productive

I'll start with my new regs... absolutely none!

 

[mjnels]

Typically there is no enduser. The word "enduser" is a myth in most cases.

There is a huge difference in believing in your product and a cash grab. One has a long term plan to succeed while the other just wants to bleed ignorant people of their money.

wait a minute... when you sell a domain to someone do you take into consideration their long term plan for success?

what if you think pretty strongly they're paying too much - you'd lower the price for them?

 

[Jasonn]

mjnels really loves to argue/debate all of this while having zero stake in it. i don't know why you waste your time.

 

[scandiman]

How did stacking the deck work for .mobi? How is it working for .tv which is now keeping drops for themselves?

It's never good to plateau as a business. Constant growth is key for success. A quick cash grab, like these sketchy knockoffs are attempting to do, spells doom. If the product is so great, release it and let the market run with it. Selling the public shit while you hold back the gold isn't a viable plan IMO.

Are we talking domains or tech IPOs, kinda hard to tell lol

 

[mjnels]

mjnels really loves to argue/debate all of this while having zero stake in it. i don't know why you waste your time.

i see, so it would be a better position to be buying tons of these while arguing what i am.. im sure nobody would be critical then and call me out for having a bias.

i work at home. domains are something i have an interest in. i may buy some gTLD later, but not right now.

 

[Keith]

wait a minute... when you sell a domain to someone do you take into consideration their long term plan for success?

what if you think pretty strongly they're paying too much - you'd lower the price for them?

I buy domains to sell at a profit. It's true that a registry should also be thinking of how to profit. The question is...is a quick cash grab better than a solid business plan that seeks continued growth?

These fly by night tld owners seem to want quick cash which ultimately hurts domain investors that don't know any better.

 

[mjnels]

I buy domains to sell at a profit. It's true that a registry should also be thinking of how to profit. The question is...is a quick cash grab better than a solid business plan that seeks continued growth?

These fly by night tld owners seem to want quick cash which ultimately hurts domain investors that don't know any better.

thats a completely different angle - it sounds like you're talking about this as a stockholder.

which TLD owners are fly by night? all the new gTLD?

 

[Keith]

which TLD owners are fly by night? all the new gTLD?

The majority, any that think shelving "premium" inventory is a good strategy.

 

[mjnels]

The majority, any that think shelving "premium" inventory is a good strategy.

ok, so roughly how many of these do you think will ultimately get deleted from the root and no longer exist?

i dont expect you to know an exact amount or timeline but as a conservative guess, how many do you think will be non-existent after 10 years?

 

[scandiman]

The majority, any that think shelving "premium" inventory is a good strategy.

Why is it a bad strategy?

 

[Keith]

Why is it a bad strategy?

The only reason these may be attractive to some people, companies, is that they can easily get a premium domain. Something they cannot do with .com. If the registry holds back loads of the best names and/or charges a hefty renewal fee, this could be a discouragement.

 

[Kate]

Why is it a bad strategy?

I think it is a bad strategy for two reasons:
First, shelving "premium" inventory means that lots of domains will not be available to qualified end users (possibly through a RFP process), that could otherwise develop them into meaningful websites and enhance the standing of the TLD. TLDs don't shine without development.

Second, the market value can go down very quickly past the launch phase and when the excitement and initial interest has waned.
.mobi is the best known example.
In the first two years, a number of premium keywords sold for 6 figures (you remember one guy was actually willing to pay 600K for music.mobi until the auction crashed).
Then poof - nothing.

A few months ago, .mobi domains like realestate, properties, hotels have dropped and were snapped easily.
In the history of domaining, there has been never a TLD losing so much of its value.
The registry has retained an inventory of domains like sex.mobi, that could have fetched good money back in the day. Now they could barely give them away.

In other younger extensions, the value has not appreciated either: .biz .us or .info are worth even less than in the past.

 

[loupe]

there is nothing wrong with a registry acting as a domainer though if thats what they want to do. its no more a cash grab then me buying and holding good terms.

maybe the method wont work out for some registries, maybe it will but there is nothing unethical about selling certain words for more than others as a registry.

I believe they are allowed to reserve up to MAX 100 domains themselves, correct me if i'm wrong ofcourse.

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thats a completely different angle - it sounds like you're talking about this as a stockholder.

which TLD owners are fly by night? all the new gTLD?

They're not fly by night, if you read ICANN conditions and further agreements even if they go bankrupt their TLD is taken over by multiple other contracted registries by default. That aside from the requirements to proof they can stay afloat for X years before that backup plan is triggered. So no, those TLD's will not disappear just like .com won't disappear

And for the rest, please do your homework, especially the ICANN website has alot of facts instead of here guessing or dreaming up situations which are already covered.

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Do you know if it's normal for the renewal price of the new domains to differ?

I have a few .tips domains and the renewal price for 2 of them is 250$ while for others it's just 22$.

I have already sent a question to the company I used to register the domains but it's taking a while to get answers.

It's only normal if the domain is a premium. So when you paid the premium price then you can expect the renewal will not be against the normal reg price but the same premium price when you registered it.

But if you mean some shady company who you regged for a normal fee a domain with and for the renewal is asking suddenly a totally difference price then that is very strange. Maybe a mistake on their end. Do you know which company this is ?

 

[Kate]

mjnels really loves to argue/debate all of this while having zero stake in it. i don't know why you waste your time.

I have zero stake in new extensions too, but I like to bash them
I like to play the devil's adocate, and enjoy the clash of ideas as well. MJ too.
Unfortunately the outcome is very predictable: domainers are going to lose money at this game, with very exceptions. The only winning domainers are the registries.

 

[scandiman]

The only reason these may be attractive to some people, companies, is that they can easily get a premium domain. Something they cannot do with .com. If the registry holds back loads of the best names and/or charges a hefty renewal fee, this could be a discouragement.

I agree the point for an end user is to get a 'better' domain (I know that's highly debatable lol). I guess the question is if the registry is serious about working with folks or not, largely depends on the registry.

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I think it is a bad strategy for two reasons:
First, shelving "premium" inventory means that lots of domains will not be available to qualified end users (possibly through a RFP process), that could otherwise develop them into meaningful websites and enhance the standing of the TLD. TLDs don't shine without development.

Second, the market value can go down very quickly past the launch phase and when the excitement and initial interest has waned.
.mobi is the best known example.
In the first two years, a number of premium keywords sold for 6 figures (you remember one guy was actually willing to pay 600K for music.mobi until the auction crashed).
Then poof - nothing.

A few months ago, .mobi domains like realestate, properties, hotels have dropped and were snapped easily.
In the history of domaining, there has been never a TLD losing so much of its value.
The registry has retained an inventory of domains like sex.mobi, that could have fetched good money back in the day. Now they could barely give them away.

In other younger extensions, the value has not appreciated either: .biz .us or .info are worth even less than in the past.

Not sure from what perspective you're coming from, first you're saying the point is to get development going on good names (which I agree completely with) but then second it's almost like you're saying the entire point of a Premium list should be for the registry to maximize revenue. If so then dotMobi failed in their cash grab that everyone was complaining about since they still have a giant .mobi portfolio. As for drops, all of them are easily snapped by someone, be it a drop catch service or someone who is faster. In the specific cases you mentioned the guy who caught them was faster than snap and pool, I know since I back-ordered one of them. That dude is quick.

 

[jmcc]

I've been a domainer since 1996, before Shilling and am buying a lot of new gtld domains.

You bought a domain name back then? Domainers typically buy and sell domain names. How much did you pay for the domain name(s) you bought then?

Regards...jmcc

 

[forge]

You bought a domain name back then? Domainers typically buy and sell domain names. How much did you pay for the domain name(s) you bought then?

Be patient.

I'm hoping to learn from the Master too.

 

[Ms Domainer]

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Who's the Master?



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[jmcc]

Why is it a bad strategy?

When registries start acting like domainers instead of registries, there is a major problem.

They are effectively in competition with a section of the market that initially drives some of the growth in the early phase of a TLD's existence.

And once word gets around that the game is rigged, then the pros won't want to play. Pretty soon, that attitude spreads to most domainers and the TLD is left with relying on the mom and pop businesses who are using .COM or .ccTLD. And they have no real reason to switch.

So what happens is this: No landrush boost (or a very flat one) followed by disenchantment and the DotWhat? effect. The public does not even recognise or remember the TLD.

After that comes the Junk Dump (first anniversary when the highly speculative domains that could not be flipped are dropped). The percentage dropped can vary but there might be a few newbies ready to pick up the dropped domains but there may be no natural drops as the deleting domains might be hoovered up for auction by the registries or by large registrars.

The second anniversary is sometimes more lethal as it is the Hold'em or Fold'em time for those hanging on to their domains hoping for an increase in value.

Development and usage runs in parallel with all of this. If there is no significant development in the first six to eleven months, then the perception that the TLD is a Dead Zone will grow amongst prospective registrants. If you see registries providing dodgy figures about usage and PPC landing pages for undeveloped domains claimed to be simple redirects, then it is almost certain that there is a problem.

Regards...jmcc

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Second, the market value can go down very quickly past the launch phase and when the excitement and initial interest has waned.

For a large TLD with global appeal, this tends to happen after the first six months of operation. I'm not an expert on market values but there are compressed landrush phases visible with some of the new gTLDs and trends that take months to show up (e.g the big weekend slowdowns) are appearing within weeks.

With the variable registration fees and renewal rates, some of these new gTLDs will have a battle ahead to break 100K registration in a year.

Regards...jmcc

 

[RU]

18,490 .email domains have been registered
Why people buy .email? I don't understand

 

[McDuke]

18,490 .email domains have been registered
Why people buy .email? I don't understand

so they can have

first name@last name.email

or

First name(s).email